Topic: What is Truth to you?
Krimsa's photo
Wed 12/31/08 02:03 PM
Like the bible? laugh

TheLonelyWalker's photo
Wed 12/31/08 02:08 PM

Like the bible? laugh

correct dear.
Happy new year for you, and your love ones.
BTW, you look cute in that new pic.

Krimsa's photo
Wed 12/31/08 02:17 PM
Thanks. Happy New Year to you also. drinker

joad's photo
Thu 01/01/09 10:51 AM
An affirmation.

AllenAqua's photo
Thu 01/01/09 11:07 AM

Truth. What is truth? Philosopher's have been asking this question for centuries, and they've finally come up with their answer in the past few decades.

Their answer: there is no truth.

Well, that sucks for humanity I guess, at least if they are right. Before I continue though, I would like to make a quick point. Saying that there is no truth, that is a truth in itself. And considering there is no truth, at least in the philosopher's mind, that's seems sketchy. And if what they say is true, which it can't be because "truth" doesn't exist to them, then humanity has a huge problem, one that we can not fix.

This new philosophical theory is known as Post-modernism, and related to post-modernism is Existentialism, Pluralism, Nihilism, Reletivism and any other of the -ism's for the most part.

While all of them have their differences, they all have one thing in common, no single supreme being, no God. And all of this packed into two little words.

I won't bore you with the details of each of these -ism's, but I would like to mention a few things about them.

1. Post-modernism- of, relating to, or being a theory that involves a radical reappraisal of modern assumptions about culture, identity, history, or language. In other words, a complete overhaul of society needs to be done, religion must be executed, and Christianity might be the only thing that stands in its' path. Problem: post-modernism claims that there is very little wrong in the world. Take a look around and tell me if that is true, because it isn't. Post-modernism also says there is no truth, which means there is no God, which means man is God. And if man is God, then we are in deep trouble.

Does that mean all decisions that man makes is bad? Of course not. But many are, and those are more easily noticed than the good ones.

2. Existentialism- a chiefly 20th century philosophical movement embracing diverse doctrines but centering on analysis of individual existence in an unfathomable universe and the plight of the individual who must assume ultimate responsibility for acts of free will without any certain knowledge of what is right or wrong or good or bad. In other words, we must take the consequences of our actions, and if their is an eternity, we are judged by those actions. Problem: if we are to be judged by our actions, then we should all burn in hell.

3. Pluralism- the theory that all paths lead to where they say they end. In other words, the Christian gets to Heaven, the Muslim gets to paradise, etc, the only rule is, however, that you cannot say your beleif is better than mine. The problem with this theory is that why would the "gods" of so many religions all agree to let everyone reach the endpoint of where that religion aims? And if the "gods" of these religions are all powerful, as many of them claim to be, then why would they allow a powerless being who would be beneath them be a "god"?


So, what are some of the ending possibilities of these philosophies? What are the consequences? All actions and beliefs have consequences, even an existentialist would agree with that.

We are even seeing some of the consequences now: the decay of morals in society, the loss of some freedoms worldwide, an increasing number of wars.

If man is God, as the post-modernist says, we are doing a pretty crappy job, and here's why: We let our actions be affected by the actions of others around us. In other words, we let outside forces control what we do, and that's not the definition of the word god, in any culture.

All of this from two simple words that have become so dangerous to the world: Why not? And all of this I have written only scratches the surface.

So what is truth for you?




I personally admire Emily ****inson's poem concerning truth. To me, it relates that truth is subjective and can only be assessed after the lights go out.


I Died For Beauty


"I died for beauty, but was scarce
Adjusted in the tomb,
When one who died for truth was lain
In an adjoining room.

He questioned softly why I failed?
"For beauty," I replied.
"And I for truth - the two are one;
We brethren are," he said.

And so, as kinsmen met a-night,
We talked between the rooms,
Until the moss had reached our lips,
And covered up our names."

Emily ****inson





Citizen_Joe's photo
Fri 01/02/09 11:46 PM
Quantum physics has yet to produce anything quantifiable or tangible, in spite of the millions of dollars spent in its research.

no photo
Fri 01/02/09 11:51 PM

Quantum physics has yet to produce anything quantifiable or tangible, in spite of the millions of dollars spent in its research.


laugh laugh laugh laugh

That is because there is nothing tangible. They can't even find mass in a particle. They cannot find the fundamental building block of matter because we are living in a holographic dream-like reality made up of vibrations of light and sound.

Life is just a dream. :wink:


Citizen_Joe's photo
Sat 01/03/09 12:04 AM


Quantum physics has yet to produce anything quantifiable or tangible, in spite of the millions of dollars spent in its research.


laugh laugh laugh laugh

That is because there is nothing tangible. They can't even find mass in a particle. They cannot find the fundamental building block of matter because we are living in a holographic dream-like reality made up of vibrations of light and sound.

Life is just a dream. :wink:




I'm just going to assume if I mention String or membrane theory, it too will generate the intended humor as well. Just extrapolate that I did.


NotSoRandomName's photo
Sat 01/03/09 01:53 AM
Outside of mathematics there is no truth. :)

Cutiepieforyou's photo
Sat 01/03/09 04:06 AM

The oppisite of a lie:angel:

That's what truth means to me

ganonzyther's photo
Sun 01/04/09 01:21 AM
Edited by ganonzyther on Sun 01/04/09 01:22 AM
1=3/3

(3/3)/3=1/3

1/3=.3333(extended)

(1/3)3=1

(.3333(extended))3=.9999(extended)

1=/=.9999(extended)

Math is flawed.

Sorry, had to.

Xer0's photo
Sun 01/04/09 01:55 AM

1=3/3

(3/3)/3=1/3

1/3=.3333(extended)

(1/3)3=1

(.3333(extended))3=.9999(extended)

1=/=.9999(extended)

Math is flawed.

Sorry, had to.


Nope there is way to convert .xxx extended back to fractions.

Citizen_Joe's photo
Sun 01/04/09 02:28 AM


1=/=.9999(extended)

Math is flawed.

Sorry, had to.


I take it you've gotten at least to pre-calculus? There's much worse out there. In my industry, competitors use the terms algorithm and extrapolation quite often and the reality is that their data doesn't even connect to reality except loosely, using unrelated units of measurement. You gotta love edumacated idiots.

skypoetone's photo
Sun 01/04/09 06:10 AM
Empty your pockets of truth for there is only dust. flowerforyou

Krimsa's photo
Sun 01/04/09 06:16 AM


1=3/3

(3/3)/3=1/3

1/3=.3333(extended)

(1/3)3=1

(.3333(extended))3=.9999(extended)

1=/=.9999(extended)

Math is flawed.

Sorry, had to.


Nope there is way to convert .xxx extended back to fractions.


Right.

no photo
Sun 01/04/09 06:17 AM
Truth for me is what my gut (or intuition, instincts - whatever you want to call it) and my soul tell me it is. If only I take the time and have the trust and faith to be still and "listen".

no photo
Sun 01/04/09 06:19 AM


Quantum physics has yet to produce anything quantifiable or tangible, in spite of the millions of dollars spent in its research.


laugh laugh laugh laugh

That is because there is nothing tangible. They can't even find mass in a particle. They cannot find the fundamental building block of matter because we are living in a holographic dream-like reality made up of vibrations of light and sound.

Life is just a dream. :wink:



This brings me both hope and sadness. It makes sense to me on both a spiritual, intuitive, and scientific level.

Love & Light~



no photo
Sun 01/04/09 08:18 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Sun 01/04/09 08:21 AM
Look if two people agree on terms, ie this creature here is called a fish.

Then the two people agree that moving through the water is called swimming.

Then the one person places the fish in the water, and it moves through the water.

Both should agree that fish swim. That statement would then be true for both of them, and was based on reality, so should hold true for anyone.

The problem is that some people are so amazingly stupid and want to argue that moving through the water isn't called swimming, or that what we see isn't real, or that the baseball bat that just struck you across the face isn't solid, regardless of your broken nose.


Krimsa's photo
Sun 01/04/09 08:21 AM

Look if two people agree on terms, ie this creature here is called a fish.

Then the two people agree that moving through the water is called swimming.

Then the one person places the fish in the water, and it moves through the water.

Both should agree that fish swim. That statement would then be true for both of them, and was based on reality, so should hold true for anyone.

The problem is that some people are so amazingly stupid and want to argue that moving through the water isn't called swimming.




And thus, the bible was written unto men. laugh

no photo
Sun 01/04/09 08:22 AM


Look if two people agree on terms, ie this creature here is called a fish.

Then the two people agree that moving through the water is called swimming.

Then the one person places the fish in the water, and it moves through the water.

Both should agree that fish swim. That statement would then be true for both of them, and was based on reality, so should hold true for anyone.

The problem is that some people are so amazingly stupid and want to argue that moving through the water isn't called swimming.




And thus, the bible was written unto men. laugh
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