Jesus Told us to go unto the world.

MARK 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Thats Great, but I still would rather have you keep it to yourself, Thanks.

bet he didn't count on Jehovah's Witnesses did he?

Yes, he said that, it's true. But he surely didn't say to stuff it down their throats, and he didn't say to threaten with the prospect of hell, because people can only come to him through love.

I was hoping to get a good talk with people of all Religions. Although I do believe Christ Died for me and all of us.

ROMANS 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Well, you will find that all people that are not Christians are considered non-believers, which is a lie, because a lot of us believe in something, just not the Christian God.
You will also find that people who say they don't believe in the bible, and if someone wants to discuss religion should, please, use his/her own words are deemed Christian bashers.

Just so you know what you are up to here.

I agree with whatever Krimsa is gonna say

Tell us something new

This is the religion forum.

Yes invisible I do believe there is a hell. He did not die for us because we were afraid of hell.

He died to save us from hell.

2PETER 2
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly;

Tell me, he created men in his image. Then he didn't like what he created and just drowned everyone, men, women, and, worst of all, innocent children.
How am I to believe this is an all loving God?

Invisible, you won't understand until you are saved. Salvtion comes first, and then it takes the study of Gods word, the Bible


ROMANS 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

1THESSALONIANS 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

So you are telling me I won't understand the bible unless I'm saved, but all you do is slapping bible verses into my face.
I'm sorry, but that doesn't make sense at all.
On the other hand, I have grown up a Christian, and I fell away from that religion because I met too many hypocrites, and wouldn't stand for some of the beliefs I was taught and thought utterly disgusting. Like shunning people for what they are, whether they can help it or not. I do understand what the bible says, I've been taught it for years, but I don't like it.
So if you want to convince me that I have to be saved, do it in your own words, bible thumping doesn't work for me anymore.

It's too close to Christmas to be arguing.Lets all just enjoy each others company with out the bickering

For those people who like tossing Bible versus in peoples faces others try these on these versus for size.

According to John Jesus first said.

John 5:23 "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:"

(actually this makes perfect sense if you view Jesus as speaking of Eastern Mysticism. Since in that sense all men are the "Son" and everyone judges themselves which is precisely what Eastern Mysticism believe in the context of their philosophy. However if you take this the way the Christians do, that Jesus is the only Son of God, then clearly they demand that only Jesus can judge you)

Then John claims that Jesus said the following"


John 12:47 "And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world."

Again, this makes perfect sense if you view Jesus as teaching Easter Mysticism. But in the traditional Christian sense it makes no sense at all because Jesus just got done saying that the father had committed all judgment to "him" (assuming that you believe Jesus to be the "Son".

This last first is a bit tricky.

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

If you take this in the Christian sense then Jesus just contradicts himself here because at first he said that the father judges no man, but now he seems to be saying just the opposite.

However, again, if you look at it from the point of view of Easter Mysticism it makes sense once again, because he doesn't say "the father" will judge, he says "the same" will judge. That would imply the same man that rejects Jesus word will be his own judge.

There are other places where Jesus states that you will be judged as you judge.

All these notions that Jesus taught are in perfect harmony with Eastern Mysticism and do not make any sense in the Christian interpretations of these writings.

You keep saying that people should read the Bible, but I've read it in enough detail to recognize that the Old Testament cannot possibly be the words of any divine God and are most certainly the words of men who are attempting to create an image of God who will condone their murdering and bigotry. No all-wise God could possibly be as stupid as the old Testament demands that God must be. Therefore after having read the Old Testament it is cystal clear to me that it is utterly ungodly.

When I read the four Godpels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, I see contraditions and confusion in their writings. It also appears to me that purposeful demagoguery has been added because if you take the Christian interpretation of these Gospels Jesus appears to be indecisive at best, or outright two-faced at worst.

However, if you recognise that Jesus was attempting to teach Eastern Mysticism it starts making perfect sense.

All the other books of the New Testament are just commentary on what people "thought" Jesus might have meant. And clearly they were attempting to justify what he had said with what they believed the Old Testament to be about, because they had been lead to believe that Jesus was the Son of the God of Abraham.

I've read the Bible in great deapth, trying hard to make sense of it from the Christian perspective.

My conclusion is that it simply isn't possible. That perspective must necessarily be wrong. There are far too many contradictions when viewed that way. But the moment you recognize that Jesus was tyring to teach the Eastern view of the world then it all falls into place and makes perfect sense.

I recommend watching DVDs or reading some of the books by Deepak Chopra. You will soon realize that Jesus was actually teaching the same things that Chopra teaches and Jesus was simply being misunderstood and ulimately crucified by a people who couldn't let go of their old views of an external judgmental God.

You select the versus from the Bible that you'd like to push in people's faces.

But that is truly a brainwashing tactic that is truly rude.

Why don't you shove versus in their faces that make God look like an idiot. There are plenty to be found in the Bible.

I'd post some myself but this post is already too long. I'll let Krimsa post some, she has a lot of really nasty ones that supposedly came right out of the mouth of God.

After having read the Bible my conclusion is that the Old Testament is totally without any merit whatsoever, and it's crystal clear to me that Jesus was not the son of the God of Abraham. Jesus didn't even agree with the teachings of the Old testamant that's perfect clear.

The Jews were stoning sinners to death in Jesus very day because the God of the Old Testament told them to do precisely that, But Jesus was clearly opposed to that. Jesus didn't even agree with what the God of Abraham had supposedly commanded people to do.

The God of Abraham had also told people to seek revenge via an eye for and eye and a tooth for a tooth, but Jesus opposed those teachings to and instead taught forgiveness via turning the other cheek.

Jesus had nothing in common with the God of Abraham, he couldn't possibly have been his son.

And I'm just sharing this for anyone who is interested in an honest evaluation. I was born and raised Christian. I had accepted Jesus Christ as my lord and savior. I was going to teach the religion. That's when I began to study it so that I could answer questions that people had. What I discovered is that it can't be supported. It can't be true.

That's what I discovered.

I have no agenda to want it to be false. It just is false because it can't be made to make sense.

But we already knew that because if it made any sense their would only be one Christianity. But there isn't. In fact the Jews never accepted Jesus as the son of the God of Abraham, so clearly they saw the conflicts right off the bat. The muslims also rejected Jesus as divine and saw him only as a prophet.

Moreover, look at the Christians. They fell into to major opposing factions, the Catholics and Protestants. And then the Protestants continued to fall apart into uncountable denominations. In fact, most Christians today won't even identify with a denomination, most Christians today denounce "Chruchianity" altogether and just claim to have a personal walk with God.

Everyone creates their own version of Jesus and no one agrees on anything other than "He Saves".

They other thing they truly fail to recognize is that by believing in the Christian view of Jesus they are also giving support to Satan.

Christians create Satan by claiming that all non-believers are following Satan.

So every person who decides to believe in Jesus is giving support to the creation of Satan. They unwittingly loan their support to bigotry and hatred against non-Christians.

I'm a Christian and I don't count on facts with the Old Testament. It was written by men long time ago and was difficult to interpret. I concentrate more on Jesus' life. Jesus denounced the laws of the Old Testament.

Exactly,

That's what almost all Christians do.

That's why they don't understand why it can't be true.

You need to understand that if the Old Testament is false, then that pulls the rug out from under Jesus.

The whole thing that gives Jesus the power to save people is the very idea that he is supposed to be the sacrificial lamb of God of Abraham.

Therefore if there is no substance to that claim then the whole religion falls apart.

And that's precisely what I discovered when I tried to make sense of the doctrine myself.

Jesus can't stand on his own.

The Christians have truly made Jesus into a God in his own right and they try very hard to sweep the God of Abraham under the carpet because deep down inside they know that the Old Testament is nonsensical.

And since he's thumping the Bible, how about Hosea 13:16--

"Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."

See, this is the kind of biblical reference they don't teach you in Bible School.


-Kerry O.

And not wanting to part with Authoritarianism, it seems like Christianity brought Paul into the picture to be the New Testament Lion to Jesus' Lamb.

-Kerry O.