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I still find it funny how I have to be saved to understand the word of God, and all they give me to understand it is the word of God? Where does it say that you have to be saved to understand it? In order to be saved, you FIRST have to hear. And understand what you hear. The gospel message that Jesus saves, is made simple enough, to where even a child can understand. So therefore, after hearing and underanding this simple gospel message.. one STILL HAS TO HAVE FAITH in order to BELIEVE. Understanding the gospel message is NOT what gets you saved. RECIEVING the gospel message BY FAITH, AFTER UNDERSTANDING IT.... IS what gets you SAVED.. And meaning it in your heart. THEN the REST of God's Word Will Make Sense...after Salvation. There is also much depth and richness to God's Word, not just the simple and easy to understand Words of salvation. After Salvation.... understanding comes more and more ,as a believer grow in God's Word. And the FULLNESS of Understanding comes happens over Time..not overnight either. But again....you do not have to COMPLETE AND TOTAL Understanding of ALL of God's Word, in order to be saved. God gives you enough understanding of God's Word to be saved. As you hear and understand the simple message of the gospel of Salvation, FAITH COMES..... by HEARING ... and that "Hearing" Comes by the Hearing OF The WORD OF GOD!!!. FAITH Rises up in the SPIRIT, not in the INTELLECT. Hope this helps now. Merry Christmas Now,To ALL You Precious People Here !!!   Thank you, Morning Star. |
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I'm a Christian and I don't count on facts with the Old Testament. It was written by men long time ago and was difficult to interpret. I concentrate more on Jesus' life. Jesus denounced the laws of the Old Testament. No way...Jesus had compassion on those whose lives were ruined by sickness & ignorance & unrepentant sin. Unlike those who arrogantly hated Him & wanted to kill Him for teaching what He taught. They were rebellious against His teaching. I think the term Jesus used was vipers & snakes. Don't think for one minute Jesus condoned sin... or else why would God say He is coming back for a church that is without spot or wrinkle. The Bible says alot about sin. Take the admonishment as a sign of God's love toward you. He did denounce the old laws of the Old Testament. What is wrong with concentrating on his teachings more then the Old Testament? No he didn't ... even when He showed compassion to the prostitute....He said...if no man judges you I won't either, but Jesus also said Go & sin no more. Jesus said He came to fulfill the law...not abolish it. It's there...in the bible. If you knew that God's admonishments are not judgements there would be no confusion. I was taught that he threw out man's rules like what they ate, stoning, etc., and what was said to Moses stayed. And this: Colossians 2,14-15 ...having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us, he took it away, nailing it to the cross. Our sins are forgiven. What church do you go to? I never read anything like what you are saying in the Bible. Do you read it for yourself to see if what you are learning is correct? |
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What church do you go to? I never read anything like what you are saying in the Bible. Do you read it for yourself to see if what you are learning is correct? I believe it was Paul who said the food rules and the circumcision rules no longer applied. Am I wrong about that? |
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What church do you go to? I never read anything like what you are saying in the Bible. Do you read it for yourself to see if what you are learning is correct? I believe it was Paul who said the food rules and the circumcision rules no longer applied. Am I wrong about that? I'm thinkin' it was Ringo... |
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What church do you go to? I never read anything like what you are saying in the Bible. Do you read it for yourself to see if what you are learning is correct? I believe it was Paul who said the food rules and the circumcision rules no longer applied. Am I wrong about that? I'm thinkin' it was Ringo... 
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I'm a Christian and I don't count on facts with the Old Testament. It was written by men long time ago and was difficult to interpret. I concentrate more on Jesus' life. Jesus denounced the laws of the Old Testament. No way...Jesus had compassion on those whose lives were ruined by sickness & ignorance & unrepentant sin. Unlike those who arrogantly hated Him & wanted to kill Him for teaching what He taught. They were rebellious against His teaching. I think the term Jesus used was vipers & snakes. Don't think for one minute Jesus condoned sin... or else why would God say He is coming back for a church that is without spot or wrinkle. The Bible says alot about sin. Take the admonishment as a sign of God's love toward you. He did denounce the old laws of the Old Testament. What is wrong with concentrating on his teachings more then the Old Testament? No he didn't ... even when He showed compassion to the prostitute....He said...if no man judges you I won't either, but Jesus also said Go & sin no more. Jesus said He came to fulfill the law...not abolish it. It's there...in the bible. If you knew that God's admonishments are not judgements there would be no confusion. I was taught that he threw out man's rules like what they ate, stoning, etc., and what was said to Moses stayed. And this: Colossians 2,14-15 ...having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us, he took it away, nailing it to the cross. Our sins are forgiven. What church do you go to? I never read anything like what you are saying in the Bible. Do you read it for yourself to see if what you are learning is correct? Do we still stone people? Can we eat what we want? Do we follow the 10 Commandments? The Colossians verse that I quoted is from the Bible - NIV version. |
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Edited by
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I'm a Christian and I don't count on facts with the Old Testament. It was written by men long time ago and was difficult to interpret. I concentrate more on Jesus' life. Jesus denounced the laws of the Old Testament. No way...Jesus had compassion on those whose lives were ruined by sickness & ignorance & unrepentant sin. Unlike those who arrogantly hated Him & wanted to kill Him for teaching what He taught. They were rebellious against His teaching. I think the term Jesus used was vipers & snakes. Don't think for one minute Jesus condoned sin... or else why would God say He is coming back for a church that is without spot or wrinkle. The Bible says alot about sin. Take the admonishment as a sign of God's love toward you. He did denounce the old laws of the Old Testament. What is wrong with concentrating on his teachings more then the Old Testament? No he didn't ... even when He showed compassion to the prostitute....He said...if no man judges you I won't either, but Jesus also said Go & sin no more. Jesus said He came to fulfill the law...not abolish it. It's there...in the bible. If you knew that God's admonishments are not judgements there would be no confusion. I was taught that he threw out man's rules like what they ate, stoning, etc., and what was said to Moses stayed. And this: Colossians 2,14-15 ...having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us, he took it away, nailing it to the cross. Our sins are forgiven. What church do you go to? I never read anything like what you are saying in the Bible. Do you read it for yourself to see if what you are learning is correct? Do we still stone people? Can we eat what we want? Do we follow the 10 Commandments? The Colossians verse that I quoted is from the Bible - NIV version. Paul was talking about ritual as opposed to dealing with sin in love toward one another. For example, the good samaritan. Jesus wanted people to get past the rituals. If you say you love God & don't love people then the truth is not in you. That's what Jesus said. That in no way excuses sin. Jesus also said I came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it. Again...the incident with the stoning...He said to her...if no one condemns you neither do I. Go & sin no more. He knew everyone there who wanted to stone her had sins of their own to deal with. But He still admonishes us to Go...& sin no more. Sin is a condition of our heart & soul... not something that ritual can take away. See now? |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Winx I think the only reason we do not stone people anymore for all of these ridiculous reasons mentioned in the OT is because our modern day legal system was inherited from the Code of Hammurabi and the Babylonians. It was not derived from the Christian interpretation of the bible or the commandments. If the bible had been utilized solely in this capacity, its hard to know what we would be doing now. Perhaps no trials at all. You could accuse someone of a crime or wrong doing and we would simply deliver them to the authorities to be put to death. We would probably skip the trial and move directly to stoning in the court house parking lot.
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Winx I think the only reason we do not stone people anymore for all of these ridiculous reasons mentioned in the OT is because our modern day legal system was inherited from the Code of Hammurabi and the Babylonians. It was not derived from the Christian interpretation of the bible or the commandments. If the bible had been utilized solely in this capacity, its hard to know what we would be doing now. Perhaps no trials at all. You could accuse someone of a crime or wrong doing and we would simply deliver them to the authorities to be put to death. We would probably skip the trial and move directly to stoning in the court house parking lot. Can't you just imagine how much MORE bloody the O.T. would have been had gunpowder been in general use during the times it describes? -Kerry O. |
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Can't you just imagine how much MORE bloody the O.T. would have been had gunpowder been in general use during the times it describes? -Kerry O. Not to worry we have long since made up for that. |
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I'm a Christian and I don't count on facts with the Old Testament. It was written by men long time ago and was difficult to interpret. I concentrate more on Jesus' life. Jesus denounced the laws of the Old Testament. No way...Jesus had compassion on those whose lives were ruined by sickness & ignorance & unrepentant sin. Unlike those who arrogantly hated Him & wanted to kill Him for teaching what He taught. They were rebellious against His teaching. I think the term Jesus used was vipers & snakes. Don't think for one minute Jesus condoned sin... or else why would God say He is coming back for a church that is without spot or wrinkle. The Bible says alot about sin. Take the admonishment as a sign of God's love toward you. He did denounce the old laws of the Old Testament. What is wrong with concentrating on his teachings more then the Old Testament? No he didn't ... even when He showed compassion to the prostitute....He said...if no man judges you I won't either, but Jesus also said Go & sin no more. Jesus said He came to fulfill the law...not abolish it. It's there...in the bible. If you knew that God's admonishments are not judgements there would be no confusion. I was taught that he threw out man's rules like what they ate, stoning, etc., and what was said to Moses stayed. And this: Colossians 2,14-15 ...having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us, he took it away, nailing it to the cross. Our sins are forgiven. What church do you go to? I never read anything like what you are saying in the Bible. Do you read it for yourself to see if what you are learning is correct? Do we still stone people? Can we eat what we want? Do we follow the 10 Commandments? The Colossians verse that I quoted is from the Bible - NIV version. Paul was talking about ritual as opposed to dealing with sin in love toward one another. For example, the good samaritan. Jesus wanted people to get past the rituals. If you say you love God & don't love people then the truth is not in you. That's what Jesus said. That in no way excuses sin. Jesus also said I came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it. Again...the incident with the stoning...He said to her...if no one condemns you neither do I. Go & sin no more. He knew everyone there who wanted to stone her had sins of their own to deal with. But He still admonishes us to Go...& sin no more. Sin is a condition of our heart & soul... not something that ritual can take away. See now? Yes, I understand the sin part. I know that it doesn't excuse sin. It's the old rules that I was talking about. Thank you for explaining that though. |
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Winx I think the only reason we do not stone people anymore for all of these ridiculous reasons mentioned in the OT is because our modern day legal system was inherited from the Code of Hammurabi and the Babylonians. It was not derived from the Christian interpretation of the bible or the commandments. If the bible had been utilized solely in this capacity, its hard to know what we would be doing now. Perhaps no trials at all. You could accuse someone of a crime or wrong doing and we would simply deliver them to the authorities to be put to death. We would probably skip the trial and move directly to stoning in the court house parking lot. OT? I know OT as in Occupational Therapy.  I don't know anything about the Code of Hammurabi. |
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Winx I think the only reason we do not stone people anymore for all of these ridiculous reasons mentioned in the OT is because our modern day legal system was inherited from the Code of Hammurabi and the Babylonians. It was not derived from the Christian interpretation of the bible or the commandments. If the bible had been utilized solely in this capacity, its hard to know what we would be doing now. Perhaps no trials at all. You could accuse someone of a crime or wrong doing and we would simply deliver them to the authorities to be put to death. We would probably skip the trial and move directly to stoning in the court house parking lot. OT? I know OT as in Occupational Therapy. I don't know anything about the Code of Hammurabi. Goodness gracious. OT equals Old estamnet. The Code of Hammurabi is the best-preserved ancient law code, created ca. 1760 BC in ancient Babylon. Our modern legal code today is based on it. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Winx I think the only reason we do not stone people anymore for all of these ridiculous reasons mentioned in the OT is because our modern day legal system was inherited from the Code of Hammurabi and the Babylonians. It was not derived from the Christian interpretation of the bible or the commandments. If the bible had been utilized solely in this capacity, its hard to know what we would be doing now. Perhaps no trials at all. You could accuse someone of a crime or wrong doing and we would simply deliver them to the authorities to be put to death. We would probably skip the trial and move directly to stoning in the court house parking lot. OT? I know OT as in Occupational Therapy. I don't know anything about the Code of Hammurabi. We use OT and NT on forum sometimes and its short for Old Testament and New Testament just to not have to write it out repeatedly. The Code of Hammurabi is the best-preserved ancient law code, created ca. 1760 BC in ancient Babylon. Our modern legal code is based on it and not the bible or commandments. We probably dodged a bullet on that one. |
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 I agree that the legal system is not based on the bible. There are just people that like to say that.
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Sun 12/28/08 01:23 AM
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I agree that the legal system is not based on the bible. There are just people that like to say that. Its because they were taught that growing up by other Christians. The same Christians that teach that this country "was founded on Christian values." even though many members of the Continental Congress were Deists.  Thomas Jefferson was too busy cutting up his bible with scissors to be a Christian.
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Edited by
Quikstepper
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Sun 12/28/08 04:35 AM
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I agree that the legal system is not based on the bible. There are just people that like to say that. Uh...yes... our system of laws was based on biblical principles without which, could be changed by any secular dogma of the day or tyranical govt. Just like they have in europe. God's laws are for everyone's protection & work for everyone the same, unlike people who want to change things that create twisted govt. & twisted societial problems. Big difference. BTW, that includes all the made up religions & secular revisionist views that just want to confuse people about who God is. I'd rather listen to a loving Father God than some selfish twisted person or govt. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Hammurabi's Code addressed the right of the poor to seek redress from
wrongs committed by the wealthy, addressed the rights of women, including the rights of women to own property in their own names, and even the right to divorce a husband for grounds that would be recognized now. Another interesting feature is that the Code of Hammurabi introduces "restitution" into formal law. Many crimes were not crimes against the state but against the victim and the victim's family. Restitution was required for property and violent offenses. One of the major drawbacks of the code is because of how this feature was to be implemented and how deeply it inserted itself into the ancient Mideastern mentality. It firmly established the "eye for eye, tooth for tooth" concept into formal law thus providing a sanctioned tool for personal vengeance and vindictiveness which has lasted into the legal debates of today. It greatly blurred the lines between "justice" and "getting even." Once again, crack a history book. Blow off the dust. |
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Edited by
Winx
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Sun 12/28/08 10:35 AM
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Winx I think the only reason we do not stone people anymore for all of these ridiculous reasons mentioned in the OT is because our modern day legal system was inherited from the Code of Hammurabi and the Babylonians. It was not derived from the Christian interpretation of the bible or the commandments. If the bible had been utilized solely in this capacity, its hard to know what we would be doing now. Perhaps no trials at all. You could accuse someone of a crime or wrong doing and we would simply deliver them to the authorities to be put to death. We would probably skip the trial and move directly to stoning in the court house parking lot. OT? I know OT as in Occupational Therapy. I don't know anything about the Code of Hammurabi. We use OT and NT on forum sometimes and its short for Old Testament and New Testament just to not have to write it out repeatedly. The Code of Hammurabi is the best-preserved ancient law code, created ca. 1760 BC in ancient Babylon. Our modern legal code is based on it and not the bible or commandments. We probably dodged a bullet on that one. Okay, I'm embarrassed now. I didn't occur to me about OT and NT. I never heard of the Code till I started seeing it on here. |
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