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Invisible, you won't understand until you are saved. Salvtion comes first, and then it takes the study of Gods word, the Bible ROMANS 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 1THESSALONIANS 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, duuude, i have this used car i'd like you to buy. however you have to commit to buying it first before you can see the condition it is in because you won't understand the value of this car until you've bought it and THEN inspect it. deal?  i'll set up the paperwork for you.  funny how everything makes a whole lotta sense AFTER the brainwashing. these pesky little pre-salvation questions and critical analysis gets in the way of understanding the whole christians accusing god (if there is one) of murder thing. |
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How can a God that is suppose to know all, created everything and who is the Lord of all things create such unperfect being like us man and woman.
If it was judge on today standards human would have been recalled a long time ago. And I agree why did the book of God had to be rewritten, I guess his publisher didn't like the first draft. |
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I still find it funny how I have to be saved to understand the word of God, and all they give me to understand it is the word of God?
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I still find it funny how I have to be saved to understand the word of God, and all they give me to understand it is the word of God? Where does it say that you have to be saved to understand it? |
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So why would a reportedly perfect being who is said to be both omnipotent and omniscient need two chances to get it right and why couch the whole thing in contradictory riddles needing a Priest class to unravel? It all sounds more like imperfect humans rationalizing and equivocating to get their story straight, all to the benefit of the Priest class. -Kerry O. Since we are not saved we are not supposed to understand that anyway, so why bother to get saved? To understand a bible that could be explained to us by a priest at his convenience? I thought part of the popularity of Jesus stemmed from the fact that he congregated with the common man and woman. He met with prostitutes and criminals and alcoholics and diseased and sick. These are all of the people that the Jewish Orthodoxy forbid to enter the religious sanctuaries. This was how Jesus achieved such notoriety folks. So why now are you claiming that you "need to be saved" in order to decipher this stuff? You are behaving like the Orthodox Jews that Jesus was attempting to undermine. |
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Jesus Said, " A NEW Commandment I Give You Now: Love The Lord Thy God , With All Thy Heart, and All Thy Mind and All Thy Soul..."  and Secondly, Jesus Said , "Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself." And when we really stop and think about it... what Jesus said, Covers It All.... and Says It All. Amen.  
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I still find it funny how I have to be saved to understand the word of God, and all they give me to understand it is the word of God? Where does it say that you have to be saved to understand it? Its also too confusing and cryptic so just about everyone who bothers to read the bible seems to interpret it in a different manner. I think a bunch of carnival circuit employees wrote it as a joke. |
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I still find it funny how I have to be saved to understand the word of God, and all they give me to understand it is the word of God? Where does it say that you have to be saved to understand it? Its also too confusing and cryptic so just about everyone who bothers to read the bible seems to interpret it in a different manner. I think a bunch of carnival circuit employees wrote it as a joke. Sometimes I think it was the ones that did the interpreting. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Wed 12/24/08 01:41 PM
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Well to get back on point here, I guess this is a pretty significant thread as it is a Christian attempting to justify his reasons for excessive proselytizing. This is probably the biggest complaint that many non-believers or those of other faiths have with Christians. I find it most annoying and it seems like its probably a sin and you would be upsetting Jesus for carrying on to such extremes.
I feel as though one should keep thy religion to thy self. |
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So why would a reportedly perfect being who is said to be both omnipotent and omniscient need two chances to get it right and why couch the whole thing in contradictory riddles needing a Priest class to unravel? It all sounds more like imperfect humans rationalizing and equivocating to get their story straight, all to the benefit of the Priest class. -Kerry O. Since we are not saved we are not supposed to understand that anyway, so why bother to get saved? To understand a bible that could be explained to us by a priest at his convenience? Yup, circular reasoning at its finest. It's almost like that old fallacy "To those who understand, no explanation is necessary. To those who don't, none is possible." Remembering how Kahlil Gibran described priests in "The Eye of the Prophet" always makes me chuckle a little because for a few of them, it's so apt: "A priest is a traitor who uses Scripture as a threat to spirit away your money, a hypocrite who carries a crozier and uses it like a sword to open your veins, a wolf in sheep's clothing, a glutton who has more respect for the table than for the altar, a creature hungry for gold who follows a dinar to the most distant countries. He is a strange being, with the beak of an eagle, the claws of a tiger, the teeth of a hyena, and the skin of a viper. Take his Bible away from him, rend his vestments, pull out his beard and do as you wish with him. Then place dinar in his hand, and he will thank you with a smile." -Kerry O. |
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Jesus Told us to go unto the world. MARK 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. That is true. |
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I still find it funny how I have to be saved to understand the word of God, and all they give me to understand it is the word of God? Where does it say that you have to be saved to understand it? In order to be saved, you FIRST have to hear. And understand what you hear. The gospel message that Jesus saves, is made simple enough, to where even a child can understand. So therefore, after hearing and underanding this simple gospel message.. one STILL HAS TO HAVE FAITH in order to BELIEVE. Understanding the gospel message is NOT what gets you saved. RECIEVING the gospel message BY FAITH, AFTER UNDERSTANDING IT.... IS what gets you SAVED.. And meaning it in your heart. THEN the REST of God's Word Will Make Sense...after Salvation. There is also much depth and richness to God's Word, not just the simple and easy to understand Words of salvation. After Salvation.... understanding comes more and more ,as a believer grow in God's Word. And the FULLNESS of Understanding comes happens over Time..not overnight either. But again....you do not have to COMPLETE AND TOTAL Understanding of ALL of God's Word, in order to be saved. God gives you enough understanding of God's Word to be saved. As you hear and understand the simple message of the gospel of Salvation, FAITH COMES..... by HEARING ... and that "Hearing" Comes by the Hearing OF The WORD OF GOD!!!. FAITH Rises up in the SPIRIT, not in the INTELLECT. Hope this helps now. Merry Christmas Now,To ALL You Precious People Here !!! |
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Jesus Said, " A NEW Commandment I Give You Now: Love The Lord Thy God , With All Thy Heart, and All Thy Mind and All Thy Soul..." and Secondly, Jesus Said , "Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself." And when we really stop and think about it... what Jesus said, Covers It All.... and Says It All. Amen. God Bless You ,AllenAqua.
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Wed 12/24/08 10:45 PM
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I still find it funny how I have to be saved to understand the word of God, and all they give me to understand it is the word of God? Where does it say that you have to be saved to understand it? Its also too confusing and cryptic so just about everyone who bothers to read the bible seems to interpret it in a different manner. I think a bunch of carnival circuit employees wrote it as a joke. Sometimes I think it was the ones that did the interpreting. Once a person is truly saved, he now has the Holy Spirit indwelling him ,to help him dicipher God's Word. But you still have to remember...a new born babe in Christ....or a toddler in God's Word, isn't going to be able to "digest" parts of God's Word ,like a more grown up christian might be able to digest the Word. Different levels of understanding is revealed ,as one grows up in the Faith....more and more..That is why the Word of God is NEVER BORING....cause the more we Grow in the Word of God... the more we understand....and the more we understand, the More we Grow!!! But sometimes you are gonna run into the ones who are still babes in Christ, trying to tell us the "meaning" of God's Word,and are missing it by a mile.... cause they are still seeing the Word from their baby perspective only....but as they grow more and more, the Word of God becomes clearer...more and more. And grow they will...as we all do Who are in Christ Jesus now. God doesn't leave any of us just babes. But until christians are all "growed up"  , you are gonna hear all different kinds of "interpretations" of God's Word out there ... and THAT is Why it is important to keep our eyes fixed on God..and ask the Holy Spirit in us lead us....and study for ourselves. However..I will also say this : A spirit filled christian is able to recognize the Shepherd's Voice....and will therefore be able to recognize when he is hearing the Holy Spirit speak thru a preacher or teacher or anyone else......no matter what his spiritual age is yet...or no mattter what level he is at, in his spirtual growth.....he still is able to recognize the Shepherd's Voice (Holy Spirit) speaking thru someone ....versus, the voice of a stranger. God says," My sheep hear my voice , and the voice of a stranger they will not follow". Be Blessed Now, Everyone!! Heyyyyy..... IT'S CHRISTMAS DAY!!!  <----hot apple cider....yum MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!!
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So why would a reportedly perfect being who is said to be both omnipotent and omniscient need two chances to get it right and why couch the whole thing in contradictory riddles needing a Priest class to unravel? It all sounds more like imperfect humans rationalizing and equivocating to get their story straight, all to the benefit of the Priest class. -Kerry O. Since we are not saved we are not supposed to understand that anyway, so why bother to get saved? To understand a bible that could be explained to us by a priest at his convenience? Yup, circular reasoning at its finest. It's almost like that old fallacy "To those who understand, no explanation is necessary. To those who don't, none is possible." Remembering how Kahlil Gibran described priests in "The Eye of the Prophet" always makes me chuckle a little because for a few of them, it's so apt: "A priest is a traitor who uses Scripture as a threat to spirit away your money, a hypocrite who carries a crozier and uses it like a sword to open your veins, a wolf in sheep's clothing, a glutton who has more respect for the table than for the altar, a creature hungry for gold who follows a dinar to the most distant countries. He is a strange being, with the beak of an eagle, the claws of a tiger, the teeth of a hyena, and the skin of a viper. Take his Bible away from him, rend his vestments, pull out his beard and do as you wish with him. Then place dinar in his hand, and he will thank you with a smile." -Kerry O. Once saved ,we now have the Holy Spirit in us, which helps us to be able to recognize the " wolves in sheepsclothing" out there, as described above."
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I dont think that cha do.
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Merry Christmas Krimsa....
going offline now.. Have a Blessed Christmas Day... EveryOne Now!!!
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Happy holidays MS. Have a nice day.
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Once saved ,we now have the Holy Spirit in us, which helps us to be able to recognize the " wolves in sheepsclothing" out there, as described above.] Oh I dunno, it took some pretty long to get wise to Jim and Tammy Bakker. And it's not like anyone can't name a few televangelists who preside over empires of materialism carrying the banner of Jesus out in front of the marches of their enterprises. Doesn't one of them even say "God WANTS you to be rich!", even as the Bible says it will be easier for camel to pass thru the eye of the needle than for the rich to get into paradise? -Kerry O. |
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Jesus Christ came down to Earth to die on the cross and be buried and rise from the dead three days latter to take the punishment for our sins.
It is simple, Believe that Christ died for you and me, And ask Christ to Save you. ROMANS 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. JOHN 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. |
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