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Topic: witches vs. other sinners
Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sun 12/21/08 12:32 PM
I dont think that Christians want to kill people. I mean I think most of them dont. But if their religion instructed them to or if they felt god had commanded them to for some reason, then I guess it could happen. We know that there is a law against murdering people but of course people are murdered every day.

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Sun 12/21/08 12:48 PM
I don't believe they would either. I was mainly trying to understand the underlying reason for the hostility.

Jess642 Joined Sat 03/31/07 Posts: 22732	Sun 12/21/08 12:53 PM
I don't believe they would either. I was mainly trying to understand the underlying reason for the hostility. Sometimes when something is not fully understood, and shrouded in mystique, and history... it can get blown out of ALL proportion... and scare the pants off people... (hence the harder and harsher line drawn on some) Oh! My statement/opinion could also be applicable to the 'other' religions too...

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sun 12/21/08 12:55 PM
I think the hostility that exists between Fundamentalist Christians and ALL other spiritual paths just comes down to those OT passages that instruct them to stone people who do not adhere to subordination and worship of this new god. They are to be stamped out if they wont convert.

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Sun 12/21/08 01:05 PM
I think Islam is the only other religion that has such rules, isn't it? Not having much contact personally with Muslims I am not sure. But I think there religion also advocates murder for certain people.

Jess642 Joined Sat 03/31/07 Posts: 22732	Sun 12/21/08 01:10 PM
I Looooove being invisible I had to look down to make sure I still had feet.. broody aussie accent...

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Sun 12/21/08 01:13 PM
I Looooove being invisible I had to look down to make sure I still had feet.. broody aussie accent... I don't get it.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sun 12/21/08 01:13 PM
I think Islam is the only other religion that has such rules, isn't it? Not having much contact personally with Muslims I am not sure. But I think there religion also advocates murder for certain people. Yes it does and Judaism was also quite brutal at one point in history I mean the Hebrew people were. However the Jews were a little different. They were Polytheistic before they became Monotheists.

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Sun 12/21/08 01:16 PM
I think Islam is the only other religion that has such rules, isn't it? Not having much contact personally with Muslims I am not sure. But I think there religion also advocates murder for certain people. Yes it does and Judaism was also quite brutal at one point in history I mean the Hebrew people were. However the Jews were a little different. They were Polytheistic before they became Monotheists. I didn't know that about Judaism.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sun 12/21/08 01:25 PM Edited by Krimsa on Sun 12/21/08 01:25 PM
Most scholars now believe that the ancient Israelite world was far less monolithic, and monotheistic, than the Bible suggests. Household shrines, statuettes of male and female figures, and inscriptions and carvings describing “YHVH and His Asherah” all point to a decentralized biblical religion that was practiced largely within family structures, and well beyond the strictures of Jerusalem’s orthodox elite. Some scholars believe that this evidence points to an indigenous “goddess worship” that regarded the biblical God as one half of a divine couple. Others say it suggests the influence of non-Israelite religions. And still others, such as Raphael Patai, whose enormously influential 1978 book, “The Hebrew Goddess,” arguably inaugurated the popular appropriation of this scholarship, believe that the tradition of the Divine Feminine — a female half of God, or bride of God, or earth-centered, body-centered counterpart to the sky god Yah — endured long after the biblical period ended.

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Sun 12/21/08 04:52 PM
Most scholars now believe that the ancient Israelite world was far less monolithic, and monotheistic, than the Bible suggests. Household shrines, statuettes of male and female figures, and inscriptions and carvings describing “YHVH and His Asherah” all point to a decentralized biblical religion that was practiced largely within family structures, and well beyond the strictures of Jerusalem’s orthodox elite. Some scholars believe that this evidence points to an indigenous “goddess worship” that regarded the biblical God as one half of a divine couple. Others say it suggests the influence of non-Israelite religions. And still others, such as Raphael Patai, whose enormously influential 1978 book, “The Hebrew Goddess,” arguably inaugurated the popular appropriation of this scholarship, believe that the tradition of the Divine Feminine — a female half of God, or bride of God, or earth-centered, body-centered counterpart to the sky god Yah — endured long after the biblical period ended. Well, I suspected there was more to them than I understood considering the popularity of the Kabbalah amongst some witches I know.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Sun 12/21/08 07:34 PM Edited by MorningSong on Sun 12/21/08 07:44 PM
Why are witches (or others involved in the occult by whatever name) viewed up so much more harshly than other "sinners". Why do many Christians (please note, I said "many" and not "all") hold these people in greater contempt than someone who is having sex outside of marriage? Or who is gay? This is not a Christian bashing thread. I would appreciate all responses to be respectful. But, this has been my experience with Christians and I am wondering why. What is it about my being a witch that causes such a reaction from Christians? Sorry Ruth, you may have christians mixed up with religious folk. Christians LOVE...just as Jesus Loves. We don't condone sin, Ruth ...just as Jesus doesn't condone sin..... but we Still LOVE ALL people!!! And it is NOT our place to judge.... but to just share the LOVE of Jesus with the Whole Wide World. If JESUS be Lifted Up? Jesus said ,He would draw ALL men toward Him. Jesus is the One who Convicts man know of his need for a Saviour. And Jesus is the One who draws man unto Him.... and does so in gentleness and Love... NOT with condemnation and hatred.

quiet_2008 Joined Sat 08/30/08 Posts: 11138	Sun 12/21/08 07:36 PM
I think Islam is the only other religion that has such rules, isn't it? Not having much contact personally with Muslims I am not sure. But I think there religion also advocates murder for certain people. Yes it does and Judaism was also quite brutal at one point in history I mean the Hebrew people were. However the Jews were a little different. They were Polytheistic before they became Monotheists. I didn't know that about Judaism. I thought that was why He said "no other gods before me" he was in competition with Ba'al

Thomas3474 Joined Mon 11/10/08 Posts: 2713	Sun 12/21/08 10:56 PM
I don't believe in witches.They are something that I see during Halloween.If someone says they are a witch I don't take them seriously.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sun 12/21/08 10:58 PM
The common Halloween description of a Witch is probably largely based in how a woman's battered face and body would appear to villagers before she was taken to the swamp my members of the clergy to be drown.

nicenurse64 Joined Tue 10/02/07 Posts: 3849	Mon 12/22/08 07:17 AM
Be careful jd! What you put out comes back threefold!

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Mon 12/22/08 08:35 AM
I don't believe in witches.They are something that I see during Halloween.If someone says they are a witch I don't take them seriously. What does that have to do with the topic?

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Mon 12/22/08 08:37 AM
I think Islam is the only other religion that has such rules, isn't it? Not having much contact personally with Muslims I am not sure. But I think there religion also advocates murder for certain people. Yes it does and Judaism was also quite brutal at one point in history I mean the Hebrew people were. However the Jews were a little different. They were Polytheistic before they became Monotheists. I didn't know that about Judaism. I thought that was why He said "no other gods before me" he was in competition with Ba'al He was in competition with a LOT of Gods and Goddesses. You night enjoy that book. Sort of the last person on Earth you would expect to author such blasphemy.

invisible Joined Mon 04/09/07 Posts: 7692	Mon 12/22/08 08:38 AM
I don't believe in witches.They are something that I see during Halloween.If someone says they are a witch I don't take them seriously. What does that have to do with the topic? He can't see you as a sinner if he doesn't believe in you, now, can he?

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Mon 12/22/08 08:40 AM
Most scholars now believe that the ancient Israelite world was far less monolithic, and monotheistic, than the Bible suggests. Household shrines, statuettes of male and female figures, and inscriptions and carvings describing “YHVH and His Asherah” all point to a decentralized biblical religion that was practiced largely within family structures, and well beyond the strictures of Jerusalem’s orthodox elite. Some scholars believe that this evidence points to an indigenous “goddess worship” that regarded the biblical God as one half of a divine couple. Others say it suggests the influence of non-Israelite religions. And still others, such as Raphael Patai, whose enormously influential 1978 book, “The Hebrew Goddess,” arguably inaugurated the popular appropriation of this scholarship, believe that the tradition of the Divine Feminine — a female half of God, or bride of God, or earth-centered, body-centered counterpart to the sky god Yah — endured long after the biblical period ended. Well, I suspected there was more to them than I understood considering the popularity of the Kabbalah amongst some witches I know. Yes, thats right. Im not making the claim that the Hebrews never BECAME angry Monotheists. They did and they did with a vengeance. This book is merely pointing out their spirituality up until and then after to some degree though it was kept in secret form the Orthodox mainstream.