Topic: Ever Wondered Why Atheists Seem to Be So Angry?
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Fri 12/19/08 08:31 AM
Love and Peace is the only way to go:heart: flowerforyou

May you find it soon:smile:

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Fri 12/19/08 08:55 AM
Edited by JasmineInglewood on Fri 12/19/08 09:07 AM


Even if for some reason you are right why would anyone want to from being a Christian to a Atheist?



that's like asking why would anyone choose to want to know the truth about santa claus...

sure for children its a nice little thing to believe in, keeps them innocent and hopeful... sure for parents it helps keep their children in line by trying to bribe them with presents and threaten with lumps of coal to be good... in fact mayhaps believing santa claus isn't such a bad thing because belief in him was never and could never be a motivating factor for bigotry, genocide, willfull vehement ignorance of scientific knowledge which contradicts "beliefs" and the slaughter throughout history of those scientists who dared to put forward this knowledge ( the slaughter of scientists doesn't occur as far as i know anymore but the willful ignorance sure as hell still does), and war.

It actually may be preferable to believe in santa claus rather than not believe in him when you are a child...

but some of us take greater satisfaction not in believing something because its comforting, or because its a nice idea that gives us a warm fuzzy feeling in our gut much like the 14 year old's infatuation with a cute guy/girl they believe to be "true love", or because its something thats been inculcated in our thinking from birth and reinforced by peer pressure, or even because if we don't believe it we'll miss out on "present" of heaven or the "coal" of hell... but believing something that it is true.

Some people want to think for ourselves, and figure out right from wrong for ourselves. are angered by religious ignorance and bigotry for ourselves. some of us want to maximise this life and the quality of this world.

That is the reason for being an atheist rather that be religious.

flowerforyou

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Fri 12/19/08 08:58 AM
"Some people want to think for ourselves, and figure out right from wrong for ourselves. are angered by religious ignorance and bigotry for ourselves. some of us want to maximise this life and the quality of this world."


One can be a Christian and feel the same way, you know. I am one of those people.

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Fri 12/19/08 08:59 AM

:smile: I have always thought that people who are "angry at god" are silly.:smile: They need to be angry at who is REALLY to blame: humans.:smile:


Thats the position that most angry Atheists take. They dont believe in god so they dont level any blame on that. They point the finger directly at those who choose to believe in god and kill, torture, imprison and abuse in his name.

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Fri 12/19/08 09:04 AM
Edited by JasmineInglewood on Fri 12/19/08 09:05 AM



this is basically the most precise and intelligent articulation of the reasons why atheists seem to be so angry i've had the pleasure of reading for a while. If you genuinely and seriously care to know the answer then here is the link. It is written by an "angry atheist" who decided to no longer mince her words.

http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2007/10/atheists-and-an.html

Happy Holidays to everyone who are celebrating various holidays around this time of year. flowerforyou




I'm a Christian and those things bother me too.


I read it again. I find it a tad silly to blame all of these issues on Christians. Christians aren't all the same.
It's like me saying that all Black people are the same and all white people are the same and all Democrats are the same and all Republicans are the same.

Regarding the extra security at conventions - There is extra security everywhere. I've had to explain to my child why somebody is looking in Mommy's purse numerous times. And the child isn't allowed to go into my purse. It bothered me to burden a child with the reason that these people looked into my purse.

Also, Galileo? How long ago was that? How educated were they back then? It was about the fear of the unknown.


these were done in the name of religious dogma, it is not being said that all christians are bad and don't abhor some of the bad things done in the name of christianity. some do. but that doesnt take away from the fact that religious dogma was the major motivating factor behind most of these things.

"good people will do good things, bad people will do bad things, but to get good people to do bad things, it takes religion." - can't remember who said that

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Fri 12/19/08 09:08 AM




this is basically the most precise and intelligent articulation of the reasons why atheists seem to be so angry i've had the pleasure of reading for a while. If you genuinely and seriously care to know the answer then here is the link. It is written by an "angry atheist" who decided to no longer mince her words.

http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2007/10/atheists-and-an.html

Happy Holidays to everyone who are celebrating various holidays around this time of year. flowerforyou




I'm a Christian and those things bother me too.


I read it again. I find it a tad silly to blame all of these issues on Christians. Christians aren't all the same.
It's like me saying that all Black people are the same and all white people are the same and all Democrats are the same and all Republicans are the same.

Regarding the extra security at conventions - There is extra security everywhere. I've had to explain to my child why somebody is looking in Mommy's purse numerous times. And the child isn't allowed to go into my purse. It bothered me to burden a child with the reason that these people looked into my purse.

Also, Galileo? How long ago was that? How educated were they back then? It was about the fear of the unknown.


these were done in the name of religious dogma, it is not being said that all christians are bad and don't abhor some of the bad things done in the name of christianity. some do. but that doesnt take away from the fact that religious dogma was the major motivating factor behind most of these things.

"good people will do good things, bad people will do bad things, but to get good people to do bad things, it takes religion." - can't remember who said that


Every time that I attend a musical event, baseball game, airport and more, my purse is looked at. I had to take my shoes off at the airport.

Jasmine, the other items that I didn't mention, I agree with.

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Fri 12/19/08 09:17 AM





I read it again. I find it a tad silly to blame all of these issues on Christians. Christians aren't all the same.
It's like me saying that all Black people are the same and all white people are the same and all Democrats are the same and all Republicans are the same.

Regarding the extra security at conventions - There is extra security everywhere. I've had to explain to my child why somebody is looking in Mommy's purse numerous times. And the child isn't allowed to go into my purse. It bothered me to burden a child with the reason that these people looked into my purse.

Also, Galileo? How long ago was that? How educated were they back then? It was about the fear of the unknown.


these were done in the name of religious dogma, it is not being said that all christians are bad and don't abhor some of the bad things done in the name of christianity. some do. but that doesnt take away from the fact that religious dogma was the major motivating factor behind most of these things.

"good people will do good things, bad people will do bad things, but to get good people to do bad things, it takes religion." - can't remember who said that


Every time that I attend a musical event, baseball game, airport and more, my purse is looked at. I had to take my shoes off at the airport.

Jasmine, the other items that I didn't mention, I agree with.


ok my mistake. understood now. flowerforyou

in your reference to galileo....

"Also, Galileo? How long ago was that? How educated were they back then? It was about the fear of the unknown."

the bible was written even before galileo's time :wink:

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Fri 12/19/08 09:54 AM

:smile: I have always thought that people who are "angry at god" are silly.:smile: They need to be angry at who is REALLY to blame: humans.:smile:
So very true Mirrow

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Fri 12/19/08 11:48 AM
Reasons for atheists to be angry or frustrated that are completely legimate.

1. Being raised and taught by society (wrongly of course) that "god-fearing" equates socially acceptable and even superior to "non-god-fearing".

2. The religious think and act as the moral majority of society when in truth they are no more moral than everyone else.

3. Many religious force their point of view and beliefs on society as a whole with absolutely no regard for the different beliefs of all. This is caused by each religion teaching it is the only true way to live.

I know I am missing one or two of the legimate faults of major religions taught as the "base" of human spirituality.

These reasons are very legimate and obvious to any who can see from other's point of view.

My opinion of course.

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Sat 12/20/08 04:21 AM
God Be Not Liken

Religion Much , Either!!!


Truth Be.....

He Be Jus' Wantin Relationship

with Us

Folk down here.....

Not No darn Religion!!!!

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Sat 12/20/08 05:38 AM


:smile: I have always thought that people who are "angry at god" are silly.:smile: They need to be angry at who is REALLY to blame: humans.:smile:
So very true Mirrow
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Sat 12/20/08 05:39 AM

you would be angry to if you actually believed that this is all there is
laugh no kiddinglaugh

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Sat 12/20/08 06:54 AM


you would be angry to if you actually believed that this is all there is
laugh no kiddinglaugh


No, not at all. It would also cause me to feel a great deal of respect for this planet that we all reside on and feed from. I would realize I wasnt going someplace else once I died.

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Sat 12/20/08 07:11 AM

"Some people want to think for ourselves, and figure out right from wrong for ourselves. are angered by religious ignorance and bigotry for ourselves. some of us want to maximise this life and the quality of this world."


One can be a Christian and feel the same way, you know. I am one of those people.



Well put Winx.
I get quite fed up with the atheists who want to push their ideas on to the rest of the world.

flowerforyou

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Sat 12/20/08 07:16 AM


:smile: I have always thought that people who are "angry at god" are silly.:smile: They need to be angry at who is REALLY to blame: humans.:smile:


Thats the position that most angry Atheists take. They dont believe in god so they dont level any blame on that. They point the finger directly at those who choose to believe in god and kill, torture, imprison and abuse in his name.


Then it is time for them to stop blaming innocent Christians, who do not do that and have no part in it.

They seem to raise very little protest when it is people of other religions that do the same kind of atrocities.

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Sat 12/20/08 07:33 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Sat 12/20/08 07:43 AM



:smile: I have always thought that people who are "angry at god" are silly.:smile: They need to be angry at who is REALLY to blame: humans.:smile:


Thats the position that most angry Atheists take. They dont believe in god so they dont level any blame on that. They point the finger directly at those who choose to believe in god and kill, torture, imprison and abuse in his name.


Then it is time for them to stop blaming innocent Christians, who do not do that and have no part in it.

They seem to raise very little protest when it is people of other religions that do the same kind of atrocities.



Not everyone blames Christians. I think some here would like to expose this and grow frustrated with Christians who would deny it and constantly try to wiggle out.

More humans have been put to death for the sake of religion itself (not Christian specific) than for any other reason on Earth

This is a statment of fact.

Atheists do not single out Christians. The only reason that Christians are sometimes the subject of focus in the US is because they are the dominant religion in this country (for the time being). They remain part of the macro culture.

If we were residing in the Middle East right now, what makes you so certain we would not be discussing Islam? The only difference there is people like I or Dragoness would have been killed or imprisoned by now for only bringing some of these issues to light.

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Sat 12/20/08 08:57 AM
Christians say that all are sinners, so who are the innocent Christians I wonder.

Atheist have the same basic problem with all religion.

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Sat 12/20/08 09:00 AM
Oh thats it. Boo is going to prison also now for that blaspehmy. laugh :wink:

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Sat 12/20/08 12:33 PM

Oh thats it. Boo is going to prison also now for that blasphemy. laugh :wink:


Any place I might find more acceptance then I might in a public forum can't be all bad, so come get me and take me away.

Hey if I have got it correct about who's going to hell, I can't wait, there's going to be some extremely interesting people there. Anything to get away from the endless preaching.

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Sat 12/20/08 12:37 PM
Actually in American correctional facilities, the proselytizing sometimes reaches a fever pitch. They try to force it onto the inmates. Not just the inmates but their girlfriends and families.