I don't really care why atheists are angry, any more than they care how I feel about God

I see no difference between fundamentalist Christians and militant atheists. They are both people trying to tell others how to live and think

the fundamentalists say "I belive in this and you must also"

the atheists say "I don't believe in this and neither should you"

Atheists normally could not care less how a person views their own spirituality. They just tend to resent all of the murder, torture and mayhem that religion can cause and in many cases, directly request of its blind and faithful followers.

well lately that would be Muslims,

and in the past 1000 years or so it wasn't specificly Christians but the Catholic church

the majority of Christians and Atheists are pretty okay and don't cause problems. Its just the vocal few who sound like a multitude

I grew up in the church and am very secure in my beliefs. that is why I don't participate much in these threads. but I sure cringe when some of the "Christians" post in em.

but the vocal militant atheists are no better or different. they are the same people to me, that think they know what I should believe in

I see people...

(and sometimes even dead ones... )


...I see people who are either desperately clinging to a belief... vehemenantly denying all else, and everyone else, for their beliefs... irrespective of which side of the fence it may be...

I also see people with PERSONAL beliefs that they rarely share or communicate in a verbal or written way... but express in what they DO, not what they SAY.

Why are Aethiests angry....because we can be.

Why aren't non-aethiests angry? Cause thier God will spank them....or will offer a boat load of virgins if they kill them selves.

And that excuses it in some respect? Catholics believe in Jesus and the Christian interpretation of God last I checked. Although if you just want to dodge blame, be my guest.



I think I made a point of saying "religion" is the direct cause of more death on the face of the planet than for any other reason.



Its less about being classified as an Atheist than simply speaking out about the horrors that are perpetrated by any extremist, religious faction.I am sympathetic to the Atheists in many cases.

Extremists of any kind aren't good.

sure but that would apply to extremists of any belief or non belief. you shouldn't generalize a whole belief system based on the actions of a extremist faction

any more than I should blame all Japanese and all Germans for the actions of their militant militaries in the 40's

So I have no right to blame Christian Germans and a Catholic Hitler for the atrocities perpetrated during WW2? I am also not an Atheist.

How about being PRESENT first.... then worry about who has the biggest religion/non religion?

I would say blame the ones who committed the atrocities but don't project that onto everyone that believes in god

Well that would have been the Christians then.

not "the" Christians, but "some" Christians

and at Nurenburg wasn't it mostly Christians also that tried them for the atrocities?

anyways I have to run, I'll check in later.

hope you have a great day Krimsa

No one is blaming all the Christians. You are the one asserting that all Atheists hate all Christians. I am saying that I am sympathetic to the Atheists who speak out against the atrocities that Christians have repeatedly committed. Lets see now.

Crusades
Witch Burnings
Persecutions of the Jews
Genocide in Rwanda
Columbus

I can keep going of course.

okay, just one more post

I didn't say all atheists or all Christians

I'm saying the vocal militant ones of both

they are the same people to me

I think it was primarily the Israeli government that conducted those hearings. There might have been some Christians involved. If there was some Christian participation, wouldn't that have been the least they could have done?

Well clearly I think I have demonstrated why they would even have a need to be considered "militant" and outspoken by the standards of a Christian.