Yeah, I'm familiar with the Monroe techniques. That's not what I'm looking for, I'm just wondering if it's safe to practice in this situation.

I agree, there are a lot of things in the reincarnation picture that don't make a lot of sense to me either.

But the same is true of the Biblical picture as well. The Old Testament claims that God is like a fatherly image. Yet this 'Father' tells his children to just slaughter an animal as an attonement for their bad behavior?

That never made any sense to me. That's just not my idea of what a 'wise' father would ask of his children.

I would have been much more impressed by a God who would have asked people to grow a garden and feed all their neighors as atonments for bad behavior.

Or maybe build a musical instrument and teach music lessons to children.

Something POSITIVE and CONSTRUCTIVE and a community service.

Asking them so slaughter an animal as an atonment for sin is just downright sick, IMHO.

But I agree that the concept of reincarnation has it's problems as well.

Maybe the atheists are right and we're just dust in the wind after all.

BTW: I apologize for being off topic.

You never truly said what the 'situation' is.

Were there negative things happening?

Or just the sense that there is a spirit around?

I mean, just because some people might have been afraid doesn't automatically equate to a bad spirit.

Where their any actual 'bad vibes' other than possibly just fear of the unknown?

Maybe it's a good spirit?

Without being involved in the situation it's impossible to guess how to proceed.

I would have to be there and go by my own intuition on the matter.

If I felt 'evil in the air' I would suggest some kind of exorcising ritual.

If I didn't feel any evil, then I would say let's get out the ouija board and have a seance.

Maybe you could figure out who it is.

I think you will find this thread is a "hodge podge" of dreams, astral projection, Witchcraft, spell work so its all good. Anything and everything that is not Judaism, Christianity or Muslim related is probably fair game for "Other Religions".

It's not really off topic at all.

That would be included in Shamanism.

you should be! We never stray from the topic of Wicca.

I wonder how often we have actually discussed Wicca here.

I think James is right. It depends on the ghost or spirit you have in the house. How does it feel there?

We all sort of quit discussing Wicca once we came to the realization that it was in fact an organized religion and not only that, the 5th largest in the US to date. Everybody thought twice about it then.

Ruth... the story doesn't make sense because it was written by MAN, not by God.

Yeah, we all have different beliefs here, but the one thing we have in common is a strong distaste for organized religion of ANY kind.

If you think of yourself as a victim, then you have probably made some decision that lead to that predicament or situation.

While you are not to be blamed for what happened to you by the hands of another, in some way unknown to you, you have attracted that experience. The thing to do is to learn from it, and hopefully discover how to avoid it in the future.

That is why I say that things don't always seem fair, but things are always the result of something else and the law of attraction is an exacting law.

If you are to take full responsibility for your predicament that would have to include being a victim. While you are not responsible for other people's actions, you are responsible for attracting them into your reality or being drawn to that wrong place and time them for that event to take place in your reality.

Not everyone agrees that they should take full responsibility for their reality and experiences and not everyone understands this option. It is a choice to do so.

That does not mean that if you are raped or traumatized that you should go around feeling guilty and blame yourself for being the victim. It only means that you have experienced something that hopefully is a learning experience. You can let it ruin the rest of your life or you can become stronger and wiser after having experienced it.

It is not the things we experience in our life that makes us who we are, it is how we respond to them that does.

In understanding the law of attraction, I have decided to take responsibility for everything in my experiential reality.

If I decide to go skydiving and someone pack my parachute wrong and I fall to my death, I am not going to blame the guy who packed my parachute. I am going to come to the conclusion that was probably my appointed time to die, or that I brought it into my experience by deciding to go sky diving.

Your higher mind knows more than you do and it would know if you were about to die and it would warn you ... if it were not your appointed time to die.

My higher mind warned me twice in my life so I believe this from personal experience. If it had been my time to die in a car accident or be killed by the person hiding in the back seat of my car I would not have been warned. Twice my life was saved by my higher mind that knew more than me.

That is why I have faith in the natural order of the law of attraction and why I take full responsibility for my experiences and my personal reality.

I may not know what the cause of an event is, but I know that there is a cause and that these things are guided by a combination of a multitude of conscious beings making individual choices about what they are doing and where they are going and what they are thinking.

jb

Well, I didn't write that post, but you are absolutely correct.

The Christians on forum become rather indignant when you merely attempt to point this out to them. Their own bible is entrenched with such agenda driven demagoguery that alone should be enough to discredit it but they dont view it that way.

Ruth... that's why we're now "the others"

Truly.

I'm not really interested in any actual 'religions' per say.

I'm more interested in the personal spirituality. And I don't even view it as a 'quest' or 'goal' of any kind.

I'm not searching for anything.

I'm interested in learning various teachniques of witchcraft and shamanism because I believe that they have pratical benefits.

From my point of view it's really not much different than studying any other science.

We typically think of 'science' as teh study of the physical world.

Well, I think of witchcraft and shamanism as simply the study of the psyche or spiritual world.

It's all 'science' to me. "bigsmile"

In fact, this is one of the big things that draws me to witchcraft and shamanism. They are extremely methodical, and to me that equals science.

I'm a natural born scientist and I see witchcraft and shamanism as sciences in their own right.

I don't feel any need to get 'close to God'.

I've always been as close to God as I could ever be. Trying to get closer to God would be silly.

But learning spirital techniques is a science (A methodology). And that's what I'm interested in right now.

Does that mean we all belong to the organization of unorganized religion?

Learning experience: I think that is the key to understanding atrocities that seem beyond our control.

Oh no, now thats a new concern. Soon there will be the "Association of Unorganized Religions" or AUR. Luckily they are based in Florida and are somewhat disorganized.

JB, I agree if you consider yourself the victim, you always will be the victim. Things will continue to happen to you to make you be a victim. However, when you're talking about kids, most of them don't even know they're a victim. They don't know they're even being abused. So how could they have brought this to them? I don't see how the laws of attraction will bring you something you don't even know about?