Those who reject God....

and still reject God

even in their last dying breath...

are eternally separated from God, Smiless.

by why! Why must they be seperated? Can't they just be accepted regardless. Where will they go? Somewhere bad? Will they be given a second chance on Earth to try again?

by why! Why must they be seperated? Can't they just be accepted regardless. Where will they go? Somewhere bad? Will they be given a second chance on Earth to try again?

Rejecting a deity doen't always mean seperation. If the deity really wanted to he could show you the errors of your ways and convince you to accept them. I mean if the "deity" or "God" really loved their creation then it would only seem fair to suggest that they would love them enough to try to resolve any confusion they may have right? A loving family doesn't cast someone out they don't fully understand something or agree with every thing someone in the family thinks right? I think if Christians believe that their God didn't love his creations enough to try and work things out even after they die, who would want a "father" or to be with a "God" like that anyways? Besides if what christians say is true then "God" gave us free will because he wanted us to have our own thoughts and opinions so that we might discuss them and interact with "God". IMO it stands to reason that right? What of those who never hear the christian "message" or those whose lives were so terrible and they were suffering so greatly in the end they reject "God". These are important questions that can't be just dismissed or run off by quoting a specific text or scripture.

Smiless.....For God to force someone to be with Him ,

whether that person wanted to or not,

would be going against that person's free will.

God never forces any man to recieve Him....

but also....

God never rejects anyone either.

It is Man who rejects God.


God gives man a chance...time after time after time..

And God also knows when it is the time for man to recieve Him...

and God will draw that man at that time, unto Him.

In other words,at that right time, God will soften a man's heart towards Him,

and prepare man's heart to get ready to recieve Him....

and understanding will come into that man's heart....at the time right before he is ready to believe .

But first,

God will make man aware of his need for a saviour....

thru His drawing power on that man's heart.

Again....God knows when that time is, when man is truly ready to recieve.

Usually the person at that time, will be under heavy conviction by the Holy Spirit drawing Him....

and will become deeply aware of his need for the Saviour Jesus Christ....

and will finally accept Christ Jesus...
willingly on his own.

And that is when God saves Him then.... cause that man at long last, finally realizes his need for a Saviour.

But until that time, man will not recieve.

But again, God will always draw man unto him first...

that is how man's heart is prepared to recieve.

That time will come for all man, and God gives every man a chance to know Him.

But Smiless.... just because you or others here, aren't quite ready right now to beleive.....

doesn't mean God is going to give up on you....

you will know when the time is right to recieve Christ........

cause God in His Love and Mercy ,

will draw you lovingly and patiently unto Him.....

til you come home.......

back into the fellowship with God the Father....

that Sweet Fellowship and Relationship God always meant for us to have with Him ....

right from the beginning of Creation.

what happens to us when we die?

I have practiced so many religions asking this question hoping for a answer. Today I still have no answer.

Why is it a ultimate secret of not knowing what happens to us when we die?? I just don't get it.

There are thousands of answers, but none are concrete for they are theories right??

Now I know there are so many people who wholeheartingly know the answer and believe it to be true. It is great that you have this ultimate answer of knowing what happens to you, but why doesn't everyone agree with you on it in this world? I mean we all agree that 1 + 1 = 2 right. Why can't we have a concrete answer on what happens to us when we die to where the whole world knows it to be true. A universal agreement so to say?



Do we have a soul? If yes where does it go? Why no answer for this????

Sky Wrote:
just add the rule that every so often the maze changes so everything you learned about the maze up to that point becomes useless and you have to start all over.

Ecclesiastes 12:6-7

Or ever, the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it.

silver cord= spinal cord
The golden bowl = The head or skull
pitcher = The failure of the Heart

At the instant of Death, our souls return to the one who created them, to remain until the judgement day. When we die, our flesh bodies return to dust and our souls return to the Father.

No, I can't prove it, it is the words of our Heavenly Father and I am content with it.

If what you write is true and I am not saying it isn't then it relaxes me to know that I can live a whole life not believing and at the very last seconds of my life can change my mind and accept wholeheartingly to be accepted with him. I must say that is the best deal one can buy! And also I am not saying I don't believe, I just have too many idealogies given to me to believe so many things

Also what you say makes me admire our savior for his patience! He lets us live our life for a long time without believing and still can accept you if you believe at the last moment.

Thankyou for taking the time to answer. If the Bible say it so then why doesn't the whole world agree on it? I mean shouldn't there be a concrete answer that everybody agrees on as simple as 1 + 1 = 2? Why aren't we allowed to know the absolute truth on what happens to us?

What about all of the religions before Christianity that have been written and give their version of what happens to you when you die. Are they wrong although they existed before. Greek Mythology, Norse Mythology, what about the African belief system or even the Native Indians here! Perhaps those answers could be closer of knowing what is to be true what happens to one when one dies?

by why! Why must they be seperated? Can't they just be accepted regardless. Where will they go? Somewhere bad? Will they be given a second chance on Earth to try again?

Smiles I think everyone can all agree that none of us are getting off this planet alive.I also think it's pretty clear we do have a soul since death is permanent and not something science can breathe life back into.There was a interesting study done a few years ago where they had beds on scales with people who were dying or would die on them.They found out then when these people died the bed got lighter immediately after death.Could that be their soul leaving them?I believe so.For those who were clinically dead but brought back to life later(such as those who drown)they all say they saw the same thing.A white tunnel of light full of people they had known,and a very peaceful relaxing feeling.They also saw angles.

I had the unfortunate experience of my father having a heart attack in a boat in the middle of a lake.In the car on the way to the hospital he died in my arms.?Around 3-5 mintues passed and just by chance a doctor on vacation stopped his car and performed CPR on my dad saving his life.After many surgeries and after the doctors saying he lost over half his heart(you can only loose 40% and still live)I can only say I think it was a miracle from God he lived.When my dad talked about his experience he told me that he saw himself slowly floating above his dead body until he was rising way up in the air.He said he saw a tunnel of light with his mother telling him "that everything was allright".He said he recognized lots of people he knew that had died.He said it was extremely peacefull.Then he said that "he wasn't ready to go yet".At that moment he said he was instantly put back into his old body.He said there is not question it was heaven.

So no matter what you believe I think it's hard to deny the fact that people all over the world for hundreds of years have seen this tunnel of light.No matter what you believe you are either going to live forever or be dead forever.

That is because we have to make a choice and if we don't make that choice, we have chosen anyway. You can take a horse to water but you can't make him drink. I know you have heard that. Well, God is giving us a choice, and He will not make us drink. When we don't drink, then we will dehydrate, and die. According to the Bible, there is a bad place for them to go. There are no second chances after death, not the way some would have you to believe. It is appointed once for man to die. We don't get a do over. Why the seperation? Because the presence of God is so pure and holy that evil can't be around it.

Thank you for your insight wise one. You mention what about those who never heard of the Christian religion and I can confirm as a former Red Cross worker who has travelled to some of the poorest countries in the world, so poor in fact they don't know how to read and have no access to a Christian preacher. There main concern is food and water believe it or not! Tanzania was one of the worst places I can remember and I still shed a tear today for them. Anyway, what I am saying is that understanding a Christians perspective and studies is that God will accept you if you accept Christ as your savior from all sins, but if that individual grew up nonreligous (perhaps spiritual) and doesn't know anything about Christianity then they will not be accepted and go somewhere unknown????

Oh well I think it suffices just to believe that good things will happen when you pass away regardless what others tell you. That way thinking about death (although a mystery) is not as painful as one might want it to see.

what happens to us when we die?

I have practiced so many religions asking this question hoping for a answer. Today I still have no answer.

Why is it a ultimate secret of not knowing what happens to us when we die?? I just don't get it.

There are thousands of answers, but none are concrete for they are theories right??

Now I know there are so many people who wholeheartingly know the answer and believe it to be true. It is great that you have this ultimate answer of knowing what happens to you, but why doesn't everyone agree with you on it in this world? I mean we all agree that 1 + 1 = 2 right. Why can't we have a concrete answer on what happens to us when we die to where the whole world knows it to be true. A universal agreement so to say?



Do we have a soul? If yes where does it go? Why no answer for this????

If we go to the afterlife unchanged, then I would suspect that there would be a description somewhere. That leads me to believe that we are changed in many ways when we enter the afterlife. We cannot observe or study the supernatural, so maybe we cannot comprehend the supernatural either.

by why! Why must they be seperated? Can't they just be accepted regardless. Where will they go? Somewhere bad? Will they be given a second chance on Earth to try again?

Satan was separated from God by his pride, but he was allow to remain in the garden of Eden. That didn't work out so well, which is why God plans to put those who want to obey him in paradise and those who don't someplace else. That gives the best of both worlds, because both groups get what they really want.

Yeah i have family that has done relief work also, I know religion is probably the last concern anyone has in remote or third world countries. Please understand i am certainly not calling what anyone believes into question. I just have had bad experiences with fundamentalists who refuse to answer such critical questions or to even discuss them. I am in no way saying that your a fundamentalists, These are just questions and thoughts i put forth whenever any religion comes into the equation. I have spent a majority of my life in hospitals, intensive health care facilities and i even live in a nursing home. I see death all around me and heave experienced it myself but the powers that be continually bring me back to life. Some may pass quietly in their sleep, but through my own experiences and the deaths i have witnessed those who go peacefully and quietly are the minority. For most death is a painful, agonizing and terrible process. I have watched people beg their "God" from whatever faith they practiced for mercy and or curse their "God" in the end. These people desevered better then what they got in life. It is my hope that the peace these people were denied in life they at least realize in whatever afterlife there maybe. I guess the best any us can do is just to hope.