LET ME REFRESH YOUR MEMORY......THE JAPANESE ATTACKED THE UNITED STATES....PEARL HARBOR......

VERY PATRIOTIC OF YOU.................

GOD has EVERYTHING to do with it. HE created us all and therefore this BORN TO BE gay is bull####. Dont think for one minute I'm against gay ppl because some of my best friends are gay. Besides I believe in the proverb Let the one without sin cast the first stone. The only person I'm judging in this life is myself. Yes I think gay marriages are wrong, but so is a man and woman living together without a marriage license. Lord knows I'm guilty of that my self.

again with the labels of conservatives.
we are all jsut people here. we have our beliefs.

obviosuly you dont think high of someone with conservative beliefs.


no problesm get solved when we sit around and JUDGE eachother.

One of the last bastions of discrimination against gays lies in the fact that gay couples in many countries are at present not allowed to marry. Such discrimination should be eradicated by permitting gay couples to marry as a means of professing their love to each other. The contemporary views of society ought to change with the times and to allow gay couples to marry would enable them to take advantage of the various fiscal benefits accorded to married couples in general.Religious attitudes should be modified to reflect the changes in society. Many religious views are outdated and no longer justifiable (e.g. the notion that women play a subservient role to men in the world). Conversely, gay couples should be allowed the option to undergo civil marriages; this does not entail any religious ceremonies and ought to be acceptable to those who object to gay marriages on the grounds of their religious beliefs.It is inaccurate to perceive marriage merely as an institution for child-raising purposes. There are many married couples in society today who do not have children of their own. Similarly, there are an increasing number of children who are raised by single parents these days. In any case, gay couples may adopt children in countries where they are permitted to do so. The advance of medical science has also enabled gay couples to have children of their own through surrogate mothers.An alternative to marriage is the registration of the union of gay couples. However, any proposed alternative to marriage itself would be unacceptable as “registered” gay couples would still not enjoy completely equal rights as married heterosexual couples in society. Moreover, this would also fuel the idea that registered gay couples enjoy an inferior status to married heterosexual couples, thereby giving rise to discrimination all over again.

As the U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to accept its responsibiliy by reviewing and ruling on the dilemma surrounding the "legalized" descrimination of millions of Homosexual citizens, the States wage war with their own citizens and between each other.

The following excerpts are from a recent article. The point of posting it here is to show that, one by one, the Federal Government WILL be forced to deal with all of the over 1,000 laws from which the GLBT community have been excluded. Every law that is conisdered by Congress and amended to include GLBT will be publicized and discussed.

All this exposure serves to open communication channels, and gain greater awareness of your fellow citizens, you neighbors, the children of your friends, your co-workers and undetected family members, their plight against descrimination.

I have no doubt this is why the Supreme Court refuses to make correction with one sweeping revision - change the culture, and the tide of opinion little by littel, law by law and who will be the wiser when it's all done? IT IS HAPPENING, and IT WILL CONTINUE.

http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A264934

Editor's note: Noreen Fagan is a former intern at the Independent Weekly.

They had planned the move for years, though not willingly. Tamara Fetters and Noreen Fagan, who recently moved with their two teenaged sons from Carrboro to Ottawa, Canada, were forced to make a cruel choice: live together in another country, far from friends, families and the lives they've built, or separately, by entering into a stressful long-distance relationship or splitting up for good.

Like thousands of other gay and lesbian couples in this country, and countless more abroad, they were caught in a little-known intersection of two controversial public policy issues: gay rights and immigration.

Though U.S. immigration policies purportedly are based on the principle of family unification, they do not recognize bi-national same-sex couples as families. That means American citizens who are gay don't have the same rights as other citizens to sponsor their foreign partners or families for immigration.
The current law leaves couples like Fetters and Fagan, and their family with no choice but to leave the United States....


The 2000 Census suggests that, like Fetters and Fagan, most couples affected by the current discriminatory immigration law are in long-term relationships, with strong community ties. Nearly half of the more than 36,000 bi-national same-sex households in the United States—almost certainly an under-count—are raising children.
Thousands more Americans and their same-sex partners are living in what they consider exile abroad, with only rare trips home to visit aging parents, other family members and friends....

Efforts to reform U.S. immigration law to grant sponsorship rights to gay Americans have been under way since the mid-'90s. U.S. Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) and Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) are primary sponsors of the current proposal, known as the Uniting American Families Act.
The proposed legislation, which has 17 co-sponsors in the Senate and 105 in the House—none from North Carolina—would provide U.S. citizens the right to sponsor their partners for immigration, not by redefining marriage, but simply by adding the words "permanent partner" after every reference to "spouse" in the current law.

"The UAFA would allow U.S. citizens and green-card holders to sponsor their long-term same-sex partners, provided they can prove that the relationship is long-standing, that they're financially interdependent and that they intend to remain together—the same standard of proof that opposite-sex couples are held to," says Victoria Neilson, legal director for the advocacy group Immigration Equality. "It's a matter of fundamental fairness."

The bill is languishing in committee in the House and the Senate. Neilson says it "has the double whammy of being an immigration bill, which makes it controversial, and an LGBT bill, which makes it controversial."
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Inter-racial marriage was still not legal in 2000 in two states. Imagine that? It never did require a federal law to make it acceptible - did it?

GLBT families will continue, married or not, and within a short time we won't need marriage, because we will be included in the laws that currently descriminate against us.

My guess is, as that happens, heterosexual couples will go back to common-law marriage. Who needs marriage - except those who want the religious rite - and you are so welcome to it. Enjoy!

and to be quite frank, to all that don't believe you need to think outside your box, its extremely hard to be told you can be married to the person you love. And I am straight, but I fight for this because I believe its not about the bible, this country was founded on the individual rights and freedoms we all have. And the government sure as hell shouldn't be able to tell you you cant marry someone because they have the same body parts. Its completely stupid. And I'm sick of hearing all this nonsense about the bible, the USA isn't run on the sayings of the bible and I do agree that the bible is out of date with current society. I'm catholic and I will continue going to church every Sunday, but I don't agree with the recent fight for making gay marriage illegal.

just go live in Amsterdam they dont care n u can smoke all the weed u want!!!!! USA are nothin but a hypocrite country!!!!!

you talking to me?

im just random sayin it!!! its nothin personal but thats how this country is!!! im sick of hearin about the bible n stuff can we all get along n live in peace!!!!!!!

I agree, this country isnt supposed to be baised to a religion or religion in general. We need to get over this crap and let people do what they want.

That justifies torture?

who tortured Japanese? I never heard of that

I know that the Nisei were interned semi-illegally into concentration camps. I never heard anything of torturing them

I can tell you that I was BORN GAY. I was not a heterosexual that suddenly decided to try men. From the get go I was more feminine that the other boys. They played with cars and such, I tended to gravitate towards dolls and stuffed animals.

When I finally hit puberty...it was a girl that caused my first manhood moment. It was a guy and my best friend only I suddenly noticed that I liked him as more than that.

Girls were people I talked to, shopped with and yapped about boys all night long.

For me it was NOT A CHOICE!!!

I can't speak for all gays as I do not know their circumstances, I can only go with my own life. Hate to burst bubbles but I could never EVER have sex with a girl. They do not get my interest.

*edited due to me not liking how something i typed came out.

Can't add much to that, you saved me some energy...

What we did in retaliation for Pearl Harbor was equally wrong and inhumane. Hell we exposed our own citizens to atomic radiation. And that wasn't the last of the dumb a$$ things our own government involved us in that was horrific and despicable. How soon we forget our own contributions to the way things have turned out in this world.

I love my country but I am not always proud of my country. And when I am I am absolutely proud, like this last election. And I am also proud of the courageous straights that stand up for gay marriage despite the lousy things said to them for doing so.

Can we go back to talking about Freddie Mercury? I liked that part of the conversation better

1...look up the history of the internment camps. Remembering that even J.Edgar Hoover didn't think that Japanese-Americans were a threat.
2...Look at what these loyal Americans were subjected to and lost.
3...Look up the 442nd Regimental Combat Team,most decorated combat unit of it's size in the US military. Unit comprised of Japanese-American males.


Almost forgot....most of these camps built on Native American lands. These people never compensated for the land, never got to keep the infrastructure built.




Getting back to OP. Nothing wrong with Gay marriage.

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I don't think the topic of Freddie would come out any better unless were are willing to discuss only his music and not him. lol Plus Freddie didn't do much for the cause of gay marraige with his particular excessive lifestyle.

Unfortunately part of the problem here is the excess that frightens people about the whole idea, a large percentage of people think that all gays are about is sex sex sex. Couldn't be further from the truth, but our fellow gay men (mostly) do nothing to prove otherwise in public places.

Maybe instead of interupting the original topic one could start a new topic on Freddie. JMHO

Google and find out just what the US Supreme court is obligated to review....It only takes cases where it is felt that the lower courts erred in its findings......

It is the highest court in the USA and cannot be interpreting every single case that has entered any level of the judicial system......the case MUST have MERIT to be heard before the US Supreme court................

Lindyy

You missed the recent reports this week over what is taking place in Amsterdam....the whole "let us ease up" attitude has blown up in the government's face and Amsterdam is NOW TAKING A MORE CONSERVATIVE STAND ON THIS ISSUE..............

"AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - Amsterdam unveiled plans Saturday to close brothels, sex shops and marijuana cafes in its ancient city center as part of a major effort to drive organized crime out of the tourist haven.

The city is targeting businesses that "generate criminality," including gambling parlors, and the so-called "coffee shops" where marijuana is sold openly. Also targeted are peep shows, massage parlors and souvenir shops used by drug dealers for money-laundering.

"I think that the new reality will be more in line with our image as a tolerant and crazy place, rather than a free zone for criminals" said Lodewijk Asscher, a city council member and one of the main proponents of the plan.

The news comes just one day after Amsterdam's mayor said he would search for loopholes in new rules laid down by the national government that would close marijuana cafes near schools citywide. The measures announced Saturday would affect about 36 coffee shops in the center itself - a little less than 20 percent of the city total."