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Topic: How Obama Got Elected
franshade Joined Tue 07/24/07 Posts: 24704	Tue 11/25/08 04:12 PM
I just took my own poll - shows the AVERAGE McCain supporters were Obama supporters in hiding Anyone can take a poll - does not make it concrete, as polls are biased - just my opinion. Survey hungry people, offer them food, they will say what you want them to say for food (for example) same for political polls JMO

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Tue 11/25/08 04:12 PM
You have not proved Obama won because people were ingorant and didnt know the issues. No, of course I haven't! I wouldn't want anybody to think I thought I had and I certainly didn't mean to imply that I had. Zogby did, with his poll. A poll is not proof, I think I covered that. So, how would someone get proof? If asking Obama voters questions and them get them wrong most of the time isn't proof, how would one go about getting the proof?

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Tue 11/25/08 04:13 PM
I just took my own poll - shows the AVERAGE McCain supporters were Obama supporters in hiding Anyone can take a poll - does not make it concrete, as polls are biased - just my opinion. Survey hungry people, offer them food, they will say what you want them to say for food (for example) same for political polls JMO Any port in a storm? None so blind as those who will not see? I think both of those fit.

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Tue 11/25/08 04:15 PM
You have not proved Obama won because people were ingorant and didnt know the issues. No, of course I haven't! I wouldn't want anybody to think I thought I had and I certainly didn't mean to imply that I had. Zogby did, with his poll. A poll is not proof, I think I covered that. So, how would someone get proof? If asking Obama voters questions and them get them wrong most of the time isn't proof, how would one go about getting the proof? Polls are not proof of the over all accuracy of peoples knowledge. To me you cant prove it..

franshade Joined Tue 07/24/07 Posts: 24704	Tue 11/25/08 04:16 PM
I just took my own poll - shows the AVERAGE McCain supporters were Obama supporters in hiding Anyone can take a poll - does not make it concrete, as polls are biased - just my opinion. Survey hungry people, offer them food, they will say what you want them to say for food (for example) same for political polls JMO Any port in a storm? None so blind as those who will not see? I think both of those fit. standing in a garage a car it does not make one *please don't make assumptions (yes, you quoted me) ask me I will respond. I do not agree with your poll, do not agree with Zogby's poll. Just because you believe does not make it a fact. I believe all polls are biased and self serving.

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Tue 11/25/08 04:20 PM Edited by Unknow on Tue 11/25/08 04:21 PM
I just took my own poll - shows the AVERAGE McCain supporters were Obama supporters in hiding Anyone can take a poll - does not make it concrete, as polls are biased - just my opinion. Survey hungry people, offer them food, they will say what you want them to say for food (for example) same for political polls JMO Any port in a storm? None so blind as those who will not see? I think both of those fit. Any port in a storm? How about the poor? They dont have the benefits of things you and I have.. None so blind as those who will not see!! I believe people finally opened their eyes and mind. Some are smarter than others but you can not judge everyone as a whole for the actions(knowledge) of others..JMO

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Tue 11/25/08 04:24 PM
Polls are not proof of the over all accuracy of peoples knowledge. To me you cant prove it.. So you admit that you are completely closed minded and if someone gave you absolute proof that Obama's supporters didn't know the issues, you would still reject it because your mind is made up? Thanks for being honest.

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Tue 11/25/08 04:33 PM Edited by Unknow on Tue 11/25/08 04:35 PM
Polls are not proof of the over all accuracy of peoples knowledge. To me you cant prove it.. So you admit that you are completely closed minded and if someone gave you absolute proof that Obama's supporters didn't know the issues, you would still reject it because your mind is made up? Thanks for being honest. Please provide, Im just dont think you can..No disrespect intended from any of my posts..I think I covered the inaccuracy and bias of polls..

Quikstepper Joined Mon 04/28/08 Posts: 2998	Tue 11/25/08 04:38 PM
Yes well... most are taking a wait & see attitude about OBAMA. ...but not holding their breath either. It looks like politics as usual with an inexperienced poll at the helm. OBAMA will certainly have to sleep with one eye open now. Won't he? No, he shall rest his head as comfortably as you and I do. LOL...not with all the clintonistas around he won't... LOL I guess you never heard of the trail of deads bodies that follow behind those two huh?

Quikstepper Joined Mon 04/28/08 Posts: 2998	Tue 11/25/08 04:40 PM
Polls are not proof of the over all accuracy of peoples knowledge. To me you cant prove it.. So you admit that you are completely closed minded and if someone gave you absolute proof that Obama's supporters didn't know the issues, you would still reject it because your mind is made up? Thanks for being honest. Spider...some people don't want to be confused with facts. That's all there is to it.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Tue 11/25/08 04:43 PM Edited by Winx on Tue 11/25/08 04:44 PM
The election is over. Stop complaining already. I'm not complaining, nothing I posted is anything close to a complaint about the outcome of the election. Just pointing out the fact that Obama's supporters were largely ignorant of whom they were voting for and whom they were voting against. Myself, my relatives and friends and neighbors were not ignorant of whom they were voting for when they voted for him!

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Tue 11/25/08 04:47 PM
The election is over. Stop complaining already. I'm not complaining, nothing I posted is anything close to a complaint about the outcome of the election. Just pointing out the fact that Obama's supporters were largely ignorant of whom they were voting for and whom they were voting against. My relatives and friends and neighbors were not ignorant of whom they were voting for when they voted for him! That's great. Tell me, how many millions of relatives and friends and neighbors do you have? Unless you have a bit over 30 million relatives and friends and neighbors, then they aren't necessarily among the average Obama voters. Only 2% of Obama's voters got all of the questions right. They were easy questions, btw. Maybe all of your relatives and friends and neighbors are in that 2%? I can't say. What I can say is that the poll I linked to shows that many of Obama's voters were extremely ignorant of the facts.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Tue 11/25/08 04:51 PM
The election is over. Stop complaining already. I'm not complaining, nothing I posted is anything close to a complaint about the outcome of the election. Just pointing out the fact that Obama's supporters were largely ignorant of whom they were voting for and whom they were voting against. My relatives and friends and neighbors were not ignorant of whom they were voting for when they voted for him! That's great. Tell me, how many millions of relatives and friends and neighbors do you have? Unless you have a bit over 30 million relatives and friends and neighbors, then they aren't necessarily among the average Obama voters. Only 2% of Obama's voters got all of the questions right. They were easy questions, btw. Maybe all of your relatives and friends and neighbors are in that 2%? I can't say. What I can say is that the poll I linked to shows that many of Obama's voters were extremely ignorant of the facts. I've got too many relatives to count. I can't get to your link for some reason. My security won't let me. It says that the site is a threat. It rarely does that. That makes me wonder why.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Tue 11/25/08 04:56 PM
The election is over. Stop complaining already. I'm not complaining, nothing I posted is anything close to a complaint about the outcome of the election. Just pointing out the fact that Obama's supporters were largely ignorant of whom they were voting for and whom they were voting against. My relatives and friends and neighbors were not ignorant of whom they were voting for when they voted for him! That's great. Tell me, how many millions of relatives and friends and neighbors do you have? Unless you have a bit over 30 million relatives and friends and neighbors, then they aren't necessarily among the average Obama voters. Only 2% of Obama's voters got all of the questions right. They were easy questions, btw. Maybe all of your relatives and friends and neighbors are in that 2%? I can't say. What I can say is that the poll I linked to shows that many of Obama's voters were extremely ignorant of the facts. I've got too many relatives to count. I can't get to your link for some reason. My security won't let me. It says that the site is a threat. It rarely does that. That makes me wonder why. It works just fine on my computers at home and work.

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Tue 11/25/08 05:12 PM
Again all polls are not completely unbiased and not completely accurate..

franshade Joined Tue 07/24/07 Posts: 24704	Tue 11/25/08 06:13 PM
Yes well... most are taking a wait & see attitude about OBAMA. ...but not holding their breath either. It looks like politics as usual with an inexperienced poll at the helm. OBAMA will certainly have to sleep with one eye open now. Won't he? No, he shall rest his head as comfortably as you and I do. LOL...not with all the clintonistas around he won't... LOL I guess you never heard of the trail of deads bodies that follow behind those two huh? What like the bodies that are still following Bush? Shame to dislike/disagree with someone for what they stand for huh? But as you have said - even on a bad day the REPS outdo the DEMS, does it not apply here, oh but wait it didn't apply on November 4th, either

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Tue 11/25/08 06:18 PM
Yes well... most are taking a wait & see attitude about OBAMA. ...but not holding their breath either. It looks like politics as usual with an inexperienced poll at the helm. OBAMA will certainly have to sleep with one eye open now. Won't he? No, he shall rest his head as comfortably as you and I do. LOL...not with all the clintonistas around he won't... LOL I guess you never heard of the trail of deads bodies that follow behind those two huh? What like the bodies that are still following Bush? Shame to dislike/disagree with someone for what they stand for huh? But as you have said - even on a bad day the REPS outdo the DEMS, does it not apply here, oh but wait it didn't apply on November 4th, either

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Tue 11/25/08 07:02 PM Edited by Unknow on Tue 11/25/08 07:20 PM
The election is over. Stop complaining already. I'm not complaining, nothing I posted is anything close to a complaint about the outcome of the election. Just pointing out the fact that Obama's supporters were largely ignorant of whom they were voting for and whom they were voting against. My relatives and friends and neighbors were not ignorant of whom they were voting for when they voted for him! That's great. Tell me, how many millions of relatives and friends and neighbors do you have? Unless you have a bit over 30 million relatives and friends and neighbors, then they aren't necessarily among the average Obama voters. Only 2% of Obama's voters got all of the questions right. They were easy questions, btw. Maybe all of your relatives and friends and neighbors are in that 2%? I can't say. What I can say is that the poll I linked to shows that many of Obama's voters were extremely ignorant of the facts. Did anyone on here or someone you know get questioned? Now its many, not the majority? Can you say the people asking the questions did so in a unbiased way? Were the questions ask verbatim to all who were question?

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Tue 11/25/08 07:05 PM
The election is over. Stop complaining already. I'm not complaining, nothing I posted is anything close to a complaint about the outcome of the election. Just pointing out the fact that Obama's supporters were largely ignorant of whom they were voting for and whom they were voting against. My relatives and friends and neighbors were not ignorant of whom they were voting for when they voted for him! That's great. Tell me, how many millions of relatives and friends and neighbors do you have? Unless you have a bit over 30 million relatives and friends and neighbors, then they aren't necessarily among the average Obama voters. Only 2% of Obama's voters got all of the questions right. They were easy questions, btw. Maybe all of your relatives and friends and neighbors are in that 2%? I can't say. What I can say is that the poll I linked to shows that many of Obama's voters were extremely ignorant of the facts. You said "Only 2% of Obama's voters got all of the questions right." I didn't know that they asked those questions of ALL of the voters. I don't know anybody that was asked.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Tue 11/25/08 08:53 PM
The election is over. Stop complaining already. I'm not complaining, nothing I posted is anything close to a complaint about the outcome of the election. Just pointing out the fact that Obama's supporters were largely ignorant of whom they were voting for and whom they were voting against. My relatives and friends and neighbors were not ignorant of whom they were voting for when they voted for him! That's great. Tell me, how many millions of relatives and friends and neighbors do you have? Unless you have a bit over 30 million relatives and friends and neighbors, then they aren't necessarily among the average Obama voters. Only 2% of Obama's voters got all of the questions right. They were easy questions, btw. Maybe all of your relatives and friends and neighbors are in that 2%? I can't say. What I can say is that the poll I linked to shows that many of Obama's voters were extremely ignorant of the facts. You said "Only 2% of Obama's voters got all of the questions right." I didn't know that they asked those questions of ALL of the voters. I don't know anybody that was asked. Are you honestly saying that the only way a poll can be remotely accurate is if they ask EVERYBODY in the demographic the poll is meant to represent?