if so then we have more than just 3 dimensions and we also have the possibility of many more - outside of the realm of substance we have in what we call this reality. If so - then who can say for sure that what we know is true past this dimensional existence we know and live in?

thought please.

I think this is variable, because tomorrow everything we know as true today, may have changed because of a new discovery.

Ahhh...

Beautiful Intangibles

No mortal within this dimensional existence that we know and live in can say FOR SURE what is true past this dimensional existence.

Of course then we get into the topic of Faith...

Logical Faith?

agreed

then is it logical to have expierienced this other dimension or spiritual realm and not think it not to be true? or at least as true as the dimesions we now know?

well time is the fourth dimension. as far as we know.
so yeah, u r right, we have more than three dimensions.

well i can't argue with anyone who has a pic of obama up as their avatar -

specially with the word hope in there
lol

Science[from what I've seen] seems to think there are 11 dimensions possible - [why just 11?] i think if there is that many there could possibly be more also. as to parallel universes [not that I'm an authority] i see that it could disrupt Einsteins theories and make them moot -possibly-[we don't know yet], but if they do and multiple universes do exist this could change our whole way of thinking about time/space, and open up the likelihood of other lifeforms not based on the elements here. if so - then maybe what i experienced as a teen-ager will finally bee seen as acceptable by science as at least a theory of dimensional / multi-universe existence.
bottom line - do you think that other spiritual dimensions exist?

I do not know about another universe, but I do think it possible. On the other hand,this universe is vast, so why ever not?

Personally, I think it is silly to try to define life in terms of the physical in the first place. There are two major problems with it:

1) Free-will: The physical universe is a stimulus-response mechanism. There is nothing physical that can be original cause. This is the very most fundamental foundation of science. In gross terms, a rock cannot make decisions. Neither can an atom or a molecule. Defining life in terms of the physical reduces the concept of free-will to a chemical (or stimulus-response) reaction, which is in no way, shape or form free. It is restricted to only one single possibility, with no possible chance of any other result.

2) The “magic number”: All theories of “physical-based consciousness” depend on the "magic number" postulate. That is, with (magic_number – 1) atoms, there is no conscious, then by adding just one more atom, "poof" - suddenly consciousness exists.

Additionally, I don’t see any reason to postulate a separate “spiritual dimension”. Or any other dimensions at all. In fact, as I see it, attempting to do so is nothing more than an attempt to define the “spiritual” in terms of a different “physical” again. That is, “Life may not be from this dimension, so it must be from some other dimension with different laws.

Why is it that “spiritual” must be governed by any laws at all?

The usual answer to that question is something along the lines of “sputter … but … but … sputter … <puffing up> it just does”

And the best answer has been “It is the rules that define the thing. So how can there be a “thing” if there are no rules defining it?”

And to that one I say – “By George I think he’s got it!”

Life is not a “defined thing”. Life is what “defines things”.

(Although I admit that, because we are surrounded by nothing but rules – both “natural” and man-made – that affect everything in ours lives, 100% of the time throughout our entire lives, it can be difficult to even conceive of the idea of total freedom.)

It is logical and true to me, based on my own experiences. It's not provable, but by a mixture of logic and, YES, faith I can say it is true for me.

I have been attempting to logically link what I know about how the subconscious mind operates during REM, my own life-changing experience with EMDR and the overwhelmingly powerful symbolism that occurs during deep sleep dreaming.

Because I have an MA in Psychology and can be somewhat analytical, I sometimes struggle with a tendency to label others and myself, thereby placing perceived limitations on infinite possibility.

SL SAID

It is logical and true to me, based on my own experiences. It's not provable, but by a mixture of logic and, YES, faith I can say it is true for me.

I have been attempting to logically link what I know about how the subconscious mind operates during REM, my own life-changing experience with EMDR and the overwhelmingly powerful symbolism that occurs during deep sleep dreaming.

Because I have an MA in Psychology and can be somewhat analytical, I sometimes struggle with a tendency to label others and myself, thereby placing perceived limitations on infinite possibility.


TRIBO-

EMDR ?

I'm thinkin....."damn! I miss this site.

Kat

And we miss you, too

Awwwww.hi vis....waving frantically.
Kat

Me too


sorry for the highjack

Is that anything you'd like to share tribo? Either in the forum or in a PM? If so, I'm interested.

HI KAT

I SHARED IT BRIEFLY ONCE BEFORE SKY, OOOPS sorry cap lock, when i was 14 yrs old at my uncles bed when he was dieing, i saw something that raised above his bed - it was light in appearance and formless and it only lasted for a few seconds. Of course people will say that's delusion but i know it wasn't. so i dint care what others think about it - it was proof to me that there is more to us than just death. i was not religious then nor expecting to see this or had even thought about it at all before hand. so this is why i think the way i do.