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Topic: IS THEIR SPIRITUAL IFE?
splendidlife Joined Fri 03/21/08 Posts: 1171	Wed 11/12/08 01:47 PM Edited by splendidlife on Wed 11/12/08 02:15 PM
SL SAID It is logical and true to me, based on my own experiences. It's not provable, but by a mixture of logic and, YES, faith I can say it is true for me. I have been attempting to logically link what I know about how the subconscious mind operates during REM, my own life-changing experience with EMDR and the overwhelmingly powerful symbolism that occurs during deep sleep dreaming. Because I have an MA in Psychology and can be somewhat analytical, I sometimes struggle with a tendency to label others and myself, thereby placing perceived limitations on infinite possibility. TRIBO- EMDR ? Some Psychologists utilize this process called EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) to mimic a state much like REM that can reach imprinted traumatic memories and effectively release painful "interpretation". I can speak from my own experience that it can be extremely helpful. Not only helpful in releasing the grip of the effects of the trauma, but can also lead to an even greater opening into or connection with the higher self (call it your angel, god or what ever you wish). In this process, simulating the rhythmic patterning that naturally occurs during REM sleep accesses the subconscious mind. After having my momentous EMDR experience, it occurred to me that some of the most powerfully symbolic guidance is naturally provided in dreaming during REM sleep (during which time, the subconscious mind is freely expressed or accessed). I have come to believe that our dreams can connect us to greater knowing. If this "subconscious mind" can link us to the wisdom of higher self and we've been given a way to access it as we sleep, would there not be doubt that we are connected to "God"? The images created in dreams feel much like fleeting glimpses during a Deja Vu. Illusive in nature, but felt as more real than much else experienced in our waking hours. If the conscious mind is the mere tip of the iceberg, somehow, the subconscious mind connects our souls' infinite knowing w/ the human experience. Dreamtime could be seen as subconscious (higher-self, God) gifting glimpses of infinite knowledge... This would give the conscious mind a chance to upload huge amounts of Earthly info and send it to a more complete "processor" to be returned in dream symbolism (and may very well be what keeps our conscious minds from overloading and crashing).

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Wed 11/12/08 02:20 PM
SL SAID It is logical and true to me, based on my own experiences. It's not provable, but by a mixture of logic and, YES, faith I can say it is true for me. I have been attempting to logically link what I know about how the subconscious mind operates during REM, my own life-changing experience with EMDR and the overwhelmingly powerful symbolism that occurs during deep sleep dreaming. Because I have an MA in Psychology and can be somewhat analytical, I sometimes struggle with a tendency to label others and myself, thereby placing perceived limitations on infinite possibility. TRIBO- EMDR ? Some Psychologists utilize this process called EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) to mimic a state much like REM that can reach imprinted traumatic memories and effectively release painful "interpretation". I can speak from my own experience that it can be extremely helpful. Not only helpful in releasing the grip of the effects of the trauma, but can also lead to an even greater opening into or connection with the higher self (call it your angel, god or what ever you wish). In this process, simulating the rhythmic patterning that naturally occurs during REM sleep accesses the subconscious mind. After having my momentous EMDR experience, it occurred to me that some of the most powerfully symbolic guidance is naturally provided in dreaming during REM sleep (during which time, the subconscious mind is freely expressed or accessed). I have come to believe that our dreams can connect us to greater knowing. If this "subconscious mind" can link us to the wisdom of higher self and we've been given a way to access it as we sleep, would there not be doubt that we are connected to "God"? The images created in dreams feel much like fleeting glimpses during a Deja Vu. Illusive in nature, but felt as more real than much else experienced in our waking hours. If the conscious mind is the mere tip of the iceberg, somehow, the subconscious mind connects our souls' infinite knowing w/ the human experience. Dreamtime could be seen as subconscious (higher-self, God) gifting glimpses of infinite knowledge... This would give the conscious mind a chance to upload huge amounts of Earthly info and send it to a more complete "processor" to be returned in dream symbolism (and may very well be what keeps our conscious minds from overloading and crashing). thnx SL, very interesting.

SkyHook5652 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 4063	Wed 11/12/08 02:24 PM
...what i experienced as a teen-ager... Is that anything you'd like to share tribo? Either in the forum or in a PM? If so, I'm interested. I SHARED IT BRIEFLY ONCE BEFORE SKY, OOOPS sorry cap lock, when i was 14 yrs old at my uncles bed when he was dieing, i saw something that raised above his bed - it was light in appearance and formless and it only lasted for a few seconds. Of course people will say that's delusion but i know it wasn't. so i dint care what others think about it - it was proof to me that there is more to us than just death. i was not religious then nor expecting to see this or had even thought about it at all before hand. so this is why i think the way i do. I missed it the first time through. Thanks for repeating it for me. Personally, I think that is a pretty amazing perception. There are very few people that can actually perceive things of that nature. And of course the particular circumstances tend to heighten one's awareness in that area. Yes, of course we have our favorite poster who believes that everyone else is delusional. Just know that contrary to the "delusionists", I regard your experiance as the exact opposite of delusion. I regard it as an extrordinary example of extremely acute awareness.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Wed 11/12/08 02:29 PM
...what i experienced as a teen-ager... Is that anything you'd like to share tribo? Either in the forum or in a PM? If so, I'm interested. I SHARED IT BRIEFLY ONCE BEFORE SKY, OOOPS sorry cap lock, when i was 14 yrs old at my uncles bed when he was dieing, i saw something that raised above his bed - it was light in appearance and formless and it only lasted for a few seconds. Of course people will say that's delusion but i know it wasn't. so i dint care what others think about it - it was proof to me that there is more to us than just death. i was not religious then nor expecting to see this or had even thought about it at all before hand. so this is why i think the way i do. I missed it the first time through. Thanks for repeating it for me. Personally, I think that is a pretty amazing perception. There are very few people that can actually perceive things of that nature. And of course the particular circumstances tend to heighten one's awareness in that area. Yes, of course we have our favorite poster who believes that everyone else is delusional. Just know that contrary to the "delusionists", I regard your experiance as the exact opposite of delusion. I regard it as an extrordinary example of extremely acute awareness. thnx SKY, other things like that happened when i was younger also, but not as pronounced as this. it seemed as i grew older those things ceased, i have tried to capture that/those things again but have not been sucessful - i don't know what happens to us as we age, to cause that, but for me at least it is so.

splendidlife Joined Fri 03/21/08 Posts: 1171	Wed 11/12/08 02:33 PM
SL SAID It is logical and true to me, based on my own experiences. It's not provable, but by a mixture of logic and, YES, faith I can say it is true for me. I have been attempting to logically link what I know about how the subconscious mind operates during REM, my own life-changing experience with EMDR and the overwhelmingly powerful symbolism that occurs during deep sleep dreaming. Because I have an MA in Psychology and can be somewhat analytical, I sometimes struggle with a tendency to label others and myself, thereby placing perceived limitations on infinite possibility. TRIBO- EMDR ? Some Psychologists utilize this process called EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) to mimic a state much like REM that can reach imprinted traumatic memories and effectively release painful "interpretation". I can speak from my own experience that it can be extremely helpful. Not only helpful in releasing the grip of the effects of the trauma, but can also lead to an even greater opening into or connection with the higher self (call it your angel, god or what ever you wish). In this process, simulating the rhythmic patterning that naturally occurs during REM sleep accesses the subconscious mind. After having my momentous EMDR experience, it occurred to me that some of the most powerfully symbolic guidance is naturally provided in dreaming during REM sleep (during which time, the subconscious mind is freely expressed or accessed). I have come to believe that our dreams can connect us to greater knowing. If this "subconscious mind" can link us to the wisdom of higher self and we've been given a way to access it as we sleep, would there not be doubt that we are connected to "God"? The images created in dreams feel much like fleeting glimpses during a Deja Vu. Illusive in nature, but felt as more real than much else experienced in our waking hours. If the conscious mind is the mere tip of the iceberg, somehow, the subconscious mind connects our souls' infinite knowing w/ the human experience. Dreamtime could be seen as subconscious (higher-self, God) gifting glimpses of infinite knowledge... This would give the conscious mind a chance to upload huge amounts of Earthly info and send it to a more complete "processor" to be returned in dream symbolism (and may very well be what keeps our conscious minds from overloading and crashing). thnx SL, very interesting. Hey Tribo, I'm pretty certain I may be able to relate my experience with EMDR to the experience you described from when you were 14. Gotta leave work now... Will share more later.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Wed 11/12/08 02:35 PM
SL SAID It is logical and true to me, based on my own experiences. It's not provable, but by a mixture of logic and, YES, faith I can say it is true for me. I have been attempting to logically link what I know about how the subconscious mind operates during REM, my own life-changing experience with EMDR and the overwhelmingly powerful symbolism that occurs during deep sleep dreaming. Because I have an MA in Psychology and can be somewhat analytical, I sometimes struggle with a tendency to label others and myself, thereby placing perceived limitations on infinite possibility. TRIBO- EMDR ? Some Psychologists utilize this process called EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) to mimic a state much like REM that can reach imprinted traumatic memories and effectively release painful "interpretation". I can speak from my own experience that it can be extremely helpful. Not only helpful in releasing the grip of the effects of the trauma, but can also lead to an even greater opening into or connection with the higher self (call it your angel, god or what ever you wish). In this process, simulating the rhythmic patterning that naturally occurs during REM sleep accesses the subconscious mind. After having my momentous EMDR experience, it occurred to me that some of the most powerfully symbolic guidance is naturally provided in dreaming during REM sleep (during which time, the subconscious mind is freely expressed or accessed). I have come to believe that our dreams can connect us to greater knowing. If this "subconscious mind" can link us to the wisdom of higher self and we've been given a way to access it as we sleep, would there not be doubt that we are connected to "God"? The images created in dreams feel much like fleeting glimpses during a Deja Vu. Illusive in nature, but felt as more real than much else experienced in our waking hours. If the conscious mind is the mere tip of the iceberg, somehow, the subconscious mind connects our souls' infinite knowing w/ the human experience. Dreamtime could be seen as subconscious (higher-self, God) gifting glimpses of infinite knowledge... This would give the conscious mind a chance to upload huge amounts of Earthly info and send it to a more complete "processor" to be returned in dream symbolism (and may very well be what keeps our conscious minds from overloading and crashing). thnx SL, very interesting. Hey Tribo, I'm pretty certain I may be able to relate my experience with EMDR to the experience you described from when you were 14. Gotta leave work now... Will share more later. OK BB -

SkyHook5652 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 4063	Wed 11/12/08 02:39 PM
...what i experienced as a teen-ager... Is that anything you'd like to share tribo? Either in the forum or in a PM? If so, I'm interested. I SHARED IT BRIEFLY ONCE BEFORE SKY, OOOPS sorry cap lock, when i was 14 yrs old at my uncles bed when he was dieing, i saw something that raised above his bed - it was light in appearance and formless and it only lasted for a few seconds. Of course people will say that's delusion but i know it wasn't. so i dint care what others think about it - it was proof to me that there is more to us than just death. i was not religious then nor expecting to see this or had even thought about it at all before hand. so this is why i think the way i do. I missed it the first time through. Thanks for repeating it for me. Personally, I think that is a pretty amazing perception. There are very few people that can actually perceive things of that nature. And of course the particular circumstances tend to heighten one's awareness in that area. Yes, of course we have our favorite poster who believes that everyone else is delusional. Just know that contrary to the "delusionists", I regard your experiance as the exact opposite of delusion. I regard it as an extrordinary example of extremely acute awareness. thnx SKY, other things like that happened when i was younger also, but not as pronounced as this. it seemed as i grew older those things ceased, i have tried to capture that/those things again but have not been sucessful - i don't know what happens to us as we age, to cause that, but for me at least it is so. Yes, that does seem to be the case. As a young child I had many OBEs without knowing what they were at the time. But after the age of about 8 I no longer had them. It wasn't until I was an adult that I had one more and realized what it was. I'm too lazy to look up the specifics right now, but here was a researcher who studied "past life memories" in children some years back. The main result was that this type of phenomena seemed to gradually fade as the subjects got older. I have my own theories as to why it happens that way. But there is no doubt that it does happen that way.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Wed 11/12/08 02:46 PM Edited by tribo on Wed 11/12/08 02:46 PM
Do you think it's because we get more indoctrinated in to things of this world like school, religion and philosophy etc..?

SkyHook5652 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 4063	Wed 11/12/08 07:49 PM
Do you think it's because we get more indoctrinated in to things of this world like school, religion and philosophy etc..? In large part yes. Also, there is the "physical universe" indoctrination - "when you fall, you skin your knee", etc. But I also think there is some of the "desire to fit in" involved. If you have an OBE as a child and tell an adult about it and they tell you you were just dreaming and that it didn't really happen, you're going to tend to stop talking about it and "push it away" because it makes life more difficult for you. (Not having your parents believe you can be absolutely devastating when you're only four years old.) So I guess that could be considered "indoctrination" as well.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Wed 11/12/08 07:54 PM
ok - i see what your getting at, but in my case i had a grandmother that was very much into the paranormal raising me - fate magazines books on ufo's, the whole 9 yards. so i had no negative influence so to say at 14, but then again i never told anyone about it till my first wife in my 30's, it was not something i dwelled on at all, i think mine was probably more to do with the daily life syndrome i led.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Wed 11/12/08 08:28 PM Edited by MorningSong on Wed 11/12/08 08:59 PM
When man is reconnected back into fellowship with the Father (sin separated us), man's spiritual understanding is opened up in man in all it's fullness.... simply because the spirit of man now has been made brand new. And this brand new spirit in man, now enables man to see and experience God in All His FULLNESS... as man eventually grows more and more in his brand new spiritual journey with God. And the more man grows in his spiritual journey, the more he will be able to fully comprehend and understand the spirit realm over time. After becoming born again, man also is now able to come BOLDLY into God's Presence once more (as he was able to , before the fall) . When man is truly born again, that is when man is able to now recieve ALL God has Planned for Him... and man is also now able to see and experience the spiritual dimension , that God meant for man to dwell in .... since the beginnng....before the fall. Also.......After being born again, The Word of God then takes on a whole different meaning...... it is no longer just the Written Word on the pages of the Bible(Logos).... but it now becomes Daily Bread for the new born again spirit of man....... the Word becomes the Staff of Life... Spiritual Food...... cause that Written Word on the pages of the bible, now becomes Rhema(LIFE), to the man now reconnected with God the Father(thru being born again). There is only soo much that can come.....as far as spiritual understanding is concerned.... before man is reconnected back with the Father... but again, a whole new spiritual dimension of God's Word opens up afterwards...after being born again. And then begins A Spiritual Journney in God and His Word , that takes man to a higher spiritual realm .... that one can't even begin to fanthom, before being born again . After becoming born again, The Word of God THEN becomes ALIVE..... and is LIFE to the spirit of a believer......... whereas before, the Word is just words .... written on the pages of the Bible.... and difficult to comprehend and understand. After becoming born again, begins the journey into the TRUE realm of God. It is a Beautiful Journey of LOVE...... and HOPE.... and PEACE.... and JOY UNSPEAKABLE........ in this wonderful Spiritual transfornmation....... that can only come from being born of God (born again). My hearts cry is that All of You ,may be born again ( and become WHOLE in God once more... as in the beginning)... and come join me and so many others, on this Awesome Spiritual Journey .... with the TRUE and LIVING GOD . I Love You Alll..... So does God.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Wed 11/12/08 08:52 PM
When man is reconnected back into fellowship with the Father (sin separated us), man's spiritual understanding is opened up in man in all it's fullness....simply because the spirit of man now has been made brand new. And this brand new spirit in man, now enables man to see and experience God in All His FULLNESS... as man eventually grows more and more in his brand new spirtual journey with God. And the more man grows in his spiritual journey, the more he will be able to fully comprehend and understand the spirit realm over time. After becoming born again, man also is now able to come boldly into God's Presence once more (as he was able to , before the fall) . When man is truly born again, that is when man is able to now recieve all God has for Him...and is also able to see and experience the spirtual dimesnion ...that God meant for man to dwell in .... since the beginnng....before the fall. Also.......After being born again, The Word of God then takes on a whole different dimesnion......it is no longer just the Written Word on the page(logos)...but it also now becomes daily bread for the new born again spirit of man.......the Word becomes the staff of life...our spirtual food......cause that Written Word on the page of the bible, also now becomes Rhema(LIFE) to man now reconnected with God the Father(thru being born again).. There is only soo much that can comes..as far as spirtual understanding is concerened..before being reconnected back to the Fther..but a whole new spiritual dimension of God's Word opens up afterwards.. A Spitrtual jounrney in God and His Word , takes us to realm that we can't even begin to fanthom, before we are born again . After becoming born again, The Word of God THEN becomes ALIVE.....and is LIFE toty he spirt of a beleiver.........where as before, the Word is just words .... written on the page of the Bible....and difficult to comprehend. And also....after becoming born again, begins a whole new jounrney into the ream of God.....the TRUE realm of God. It is a Beautiful Journey of LOVE...... and HOPE.... and PEACE.... and JOY UNSPEAKALE........ in this wonderful Spiritual transfornmation....... that can only come from being born of God (born again). My hearts cry is that All of You ,may be born again ( and become WHOLE in God once more)... as in the beginning)...and also join me and so many others, on this Awesome Spiritual Journey withthe TRUE and LIVING GOD . I Love You Alll..... So does God. I know you do MS, but i'm sorry i cant meet the requirements, i tried before and its just not in me.