These are the tip of the iceburg so lets talk about how to eraticate SIN for the GOOD of ManKind


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if sin were eradicated .....no one could be saved

Miles,
I'm sorry you find so much in me that's offensive. But person to person, I have great respect for you, I always have. We agree on many things and on some we don't but I have always thought we have discussed as adults. I imagine the previous topic was pulled as I don't see it here any longer. But as a reply to your OP, can I ask you a couple questions.

In your beliefs is it still possible for you to "see" the offense of sin and not feel judgmental toward the person? To "observe" the sin of another and feel fear for yourself? Is it possible within your belief structure to say "this is my friend" in spite of the sin they commit?

I'm just wondering at what point does faith justify "intolerance" of others?

I would not ask these questions of some, I don't think most would give these questions proper consideration, but you have given me no reason to think you are one of those 'others'.

Yahweh is a father. He has sons. It is a family.

Now if you continually let someone attach your father and brothers and say nothing.

What are you really doing Tribo?

Are you not agreeing with them?

Yes thier was anger in the 1st century but thier was not bloodhshed.

The converts saw them for what they really were. A caring loving people.

When they argued amongst themselves it was over scripture. They wanted to make sure what they taught was right.

When they got mad in public we call that Zeal for the Word.

Calling someone on thier hypocracies or anything else.

The word speaks about reproving a man in public if he will not stop what he is doing.

They did not get on to the common folk.

They did like Yahshua and got on to those who were knowlegeable.

Thier is a big difference.You seem to think religion is a big push over.

It can be. But thier must be wisdom when you do it and do not.

The people who were running with that thread that a young man maybe 20 had started had turned it into a 3 ring circus.

We are to protect the innocent . Now he may be a young man but he came here for answers and all he has really gotten is ridicule.

Who's fault is that?

Mine for one. You must step up. when Yahshua said a friend is one who would die for you does that mean thats the only time you are a friend?


You have seen me on here for quite a while now. How many fingers can you count where I got angry like I did tonight?


I will protect and fight for the word and say what is going on with no regrets when people start ganging up on a thread tearing down what this thread should be about and making it into a joke.

That is what they want all the silent watchers to see. Religion is a joke.

I am not going to stand idly by.

Thier is at ime for all things.

If you read what my last post was. I spoke about how they had started thier own post and they should go over thier where this discrimination is not going on. They were making it sound like they had to leave because we were abusing them.

I went to thier thread and skimmed 29 pages.

You know what i found?

Not one Bible believer had interupted or said a single word.

We all left them alone.

But them. No they come on to a religious forum to promote Darwism and Homosexuality and anyone who believes in the bible basically is stupid.


What do you think the silent crowd thinks?

If Me or we will not stand up and call a Duck a Duck then we are agreeing with them.

I will never do that.And I will not pull any punches either. Someone needs to tell them.

Who knows I may not be on here much longer as they reported me.

my my my..

I wrote a letter back to admin telling how I feel about it which is basically this post..


But Tribo believers are not passive as you believe when Yahweh is attacked. If they do they will have to answer for it.

Take the 2 witnesses who preach for 3 1/2 years. The world hates them so much at the end when sataqn is allowed to kill them they take thier dead bodies on dispay in israel for all the world to see. The they throw a big party and send gifts to one another.

Think they are passive?

No. Yahweh is consistant in what he does with mankind and his people and that right thier is an example of believers calling a duck a duck..quack quack..Shalom...Miles

Ok a little light, I do not know why we are so quick to judge everyone and everything. Not's look at a few key principles

"Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD."-Leviticus 19:18

"Love your neighbor as yourself" is also mentioned in Mathew 19:19 Mathew 22:39 Mark 12:33 Luke 10:27 Romans 13:9 Galations 5:14 and James 2:8

It's pretty safe to say that this is supposed to be a theme for how to live our lives. But in order to fully understand this we need to understand HOW TO LOVE...in a Godly way of course..How can you 'love' someone as yourself if you don't know what love is? Well thankfully we know what love is...True Biblical love.

"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs."-1 Corinthians 13:3-5

So if we are to 'love our neighbor'
wouldn't it be safe to argue that we are to

Be PATIENT with our neighbor
Be KIND towards our neighbor
Do not ENVY our neighbor
We should not be PROUD but humble ourselves toward our neighbor
We shouldn't be RUDE towards our neighbor
we shouldn't be ANGRY towards our neighbor
We should not be Self-seeking
We shouldn't be easily angered by our neighbor
and we SHOULD NOT keep a record of our neighbors wrongs.....

So why is it that Christians today think it is their mission in life to judge everyone they come across? We have not been appointed the judges...Christ has...not you. So what is our purpose here? To simply explain that not one of us is better than the next...Sin is Sin...and it is all detestable to God. But that we know where to find the Raft that will carry us safely through this life. That is it....we are simply put the marketing team...why a lot of christians today think they are the CEO is beyond me...we are called to serve people...not act high and mighty and judge people.

red I do not have any problem with you.

The comments I have made are to the ones who seem to gang up to try and make Believers look stupid.

We believe myths. You might as well worship Zues.

Alot of comments like that Red.

When you right I can see the sincerity and shalom in your words.

I just had enough. I had just posted a post to Tribo before this about me going to the topic they had started that was 29 pages long. I think that post you will see why all this did anger me and I seldom get angry. May Yahweh of Hosts Always Bless You and Yours Red....Shalom...Miles

In your beliefs is it still possible for you to "see" the offense of sin and not feel judgmental toward the person?

Yes we live in the world but not of the world. We do not judge the unbeliever but the believer. Judgements starts at the House of Israel.


To "observe" the sin of another and feel fear for yourself?


No I do not feel fear in that way.


Is it possible within your belief structure to say "this is my friend" in spite of the sin they commit?


Thats tricky. Yahshua gave example of being a friend. One who would die for you as he did for us.


Being a friend in crisis and calling someone a friend who they know you see as a grave sin as thier are degrees of sin. As Judas Iscariot Yahshua said committed the greater sin.


I probally do as i do not go sin watching.I trust and the unbeliever is alot different to me in that regard than a believer.

Most sins i would say yes i could be friends with the unbeliever if they truely did not believe they were committing a sin. If they told me yes I know this is wrong but I am going to do it anyway then that would be rebbellion and I could have nothing to do with it.


I'm just wondering at what point does faith justify "intolerance" of others?


Witchcraft, sins against the body. Which Yahweh calls the Temple. Blantant rebbellion where the person knows better and even says it proudly like I said a bove is rebellion.

Rebbellion is a gross sin because it is what started sin in the 1st place by Satan. rebbellion is refered to as witchcraft.

Hope that helps. sorry i did not answer those in the 1st post i answered you partially.. Blessings of Shalom...Miles

look above..

"We should not be PROUD but humble ourselves toward our neighbor"

MILES:

I'm just wondering at what point does faith justify "intolerance" of others?


TRIBO:

you have no faith but that which your god gives you. your faith is not in your capacity to justify intolerence, it's in god's capacity - how much capacity is that?

i know you know.

i will let you do as you desire my friend, you answer to him not to me or anyone else here. i wil leave you with this - i believe a softer heart is better than a harder one.

i believe that love will win in the end.

i believe that peace will come only by being peaceful.

the rest is this:


True Path Walkers

Obligations of the True Path Walkers:

To bring back the natural harmony that humans once enjoyed.
To save the planet from present practices of destruction.
To find and re-employ real truth.
To promote true balance between both genders.
To share and be less materialistic.
To become rid of prejudice.
To learn to be related.

To be kind to animals and take no more than we need.
To play with one's children and love each equally and fairly.
To be brave and courageous, enough so,
to take a stand and make a commitment.
To understand what Generations Unborn really means.
To accept the Great Mystery
in order to end foolish argument over religion.



go in shalom my friend, i have no quarrels with you

I am notoriously rebellious. However, since I don't believe in the Christian teachings I guess I can't really rebel against them.

Redykeulous:


Aren't faith and intolerance in complete contradiction with one another?

Why were we given the minds to question and then told we were rebellious for questioning?

I don't think it's questioning they find rebellious. But, you sure as heck better not come to wrong conclusion.

Its sometimes so hard to understand why it seems virtually impossible for some seemingly highly intelligent people to even fathom the possibility that others' "conclusions" (those that don't look just like theirs) may also hold a grain of truth. As if even considering the possibility would threaten to completely destroy their entire archetypal paradigm.

it wont destroy it my lady, and some like eljay are more liberal than others, it has nothing to do with intellegence, it has to do with faith in what is beleived by them.

When faith supercedes logic, it begins to look like fiction.

I agree... Eljay is much more liberal in that he graciously displays a willingness to engage in discourse acknowledging another's logic.

Is'nt faith just another word for no evidence?
Becouse with evidence there is no real need for faith.

does it not take faith to believe in logic?

not necessarily, you have faith your car will start everyday when you turn the key in the ignition, but some times it doesn't right? Yet there is evidence that most of the time this is the case - logic is like that also, it works most of the time, but once in awhile it doesn't. we all have faith in things that dissapoint us at times. Their faith is in something they feel CAN'T dissapoint them, be they right or wrong, it is their belief.