Topic: What about the stimulus to stimulate the economy?
catwoman96's photo
Tue 11/11/08 11:44 AM
Edited by catwoman96 on Tue 11/11/08 11:45 AM







There is no cure. But..they can be clean and/or sober for the rest of their lives.

yes they can winx.

and this NATION also could cure the ghetto..cuz face it...aint that one of OUR biggest problems???
the source????
The source!!!!!! Well that could be looked at the other way. The Ghetto, if you can make more money pushing dope than working a job the barely pays you enough to get buy. HMMMMMM Welfare could be look at the same way. If I can just enough to get by without working that job that pays not much more and I dont have the worry of health care. Hmmmmmm The cause is?



the cause perhaps...lack of ambition, feelings of failure, addiction, inability to find a decent job that is better than selling drugs and living on welfare, being pulled into a downward spiral. idk, Im just brainstorming.
I agree with them!!! We will Never eliminate any of them. We can fix some of the problems associated with them and just perhaps they will lessen. Health care is a biggie in all you have mentioned. Im just one of those crazys that think we are already paying( I will discuss my insurance cost going up and all the high cost ER visits for a low cost treatment ). But that is just my opinion..


the cost of healthcare is obscene, I AGREE.
The affordability is ridiculous, and sometimes I am quite sure its a conspiracy between insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies.
I will not talk about the docs treating the patients though, because for one thing they are covering their own butt, and tests need to be done, redone, and overchecked. although sometimes when you are so busy, things get overlooked. and sometimes its much easier to just write an order for daily chest xrays. they gotta cover their azzzzzz.......becasue at this point that guy they are trying to save...sure wouldnt mind trying to find a way to get him a lawsuit going on.

but. if you want to complain about the price of healthcare, many already have free healthcare. that cost of the ER visit to get their stomach tapped to pull off some fluids. or emergent dialysis. whatever it is. they arent paying for their healthcare....so for the ones that are paying, this makes our costs higher..cuz everybodys gotta make some money somehow. Im not complaining, but I am also not suffering from a chronic disease.

how do u figure we decrease the costs of healthcare?? well, we stop needing it as much.




You lost me here....but. if you want to complain about the price of healthcare, many already have free healthcare. that cost of the ER visit to get their stomach tapped to pull off some fluids. or emergent dialysis. whatever it is.....It is not free health care. The hopitals have to recuope their loss. And how do they do that?? Charge me more!!! Something IM paying for!!!!!! Recoup 1/2 of thse high priced ER visits and What do you have...SAVINGS!!!!!!!!


well Im in complete agreement with you there. but Im not sure how you intend to keep people outta the ER...make more immediate care places...make sure people are having regular checkups with their doc and taking all prescribed medications. I agree with the fact that people use the ER like a doctors office. BUT i really dont see that changing.

if you have free (meaning no out of pocket money spent by yourself)healthcare, well it DOESNT matter. which "office" u use.

as for using less invasive things to manage your illness. good luck changing that. potentiol for lawsuit would exist if all AVAILABLE treatments werent implemented.

snarkytwain's photo
Tue 11/11/08 11:47 AM


Every adult U.S. Citizen should get a piece, right down the line and the exact same amount. It doesn't matter who needs it more when it comes to re-stimulating the economy; almost everyone will use it in some way that is beneficial to the U.S. as a whole, be it investing or simply going to the local grocery store to buy diapers.


but....if your address is not good it gets returned. should it be the government's responsibility to make sure you gave the right address on your taxes or change of address?

163 BILLION dollars gets returned...



That's what I mean. Those billions should be resent to Americans to help the economy as a whole. And that which is returned should be again resent, and so on and so forth. I can't see how this would do anything but help the economy. If people have money to spend, they will spend it... and where will they most probably spend it? In and among America's economy, that's where.

Best to do this around Christmas, too.

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Tue 11/11/08 11:53 AM








There is no cure. But..they can be clean and/or sober for the rest of their lives.

yes they can winx.

and this NATION also could cure the ghetto..cuz face it...aint that one of OUR biggest problems???
the source????
The source!!!!!! Well that could be looked at the other way. The Ghetto, if you can make more money pushing dope than working a job the barely pays you enough to get buy. HMMMMMM Welfare could be look at the same way. If I can just enough to get by without working that job that pays not much more and I dont have the worry of health care. Hmmmmmm The cause is?



the cause perhaps...lack of ambition, feelings of failure, addiction, inability to find a decent job that is better than selling drugs and living on welfare, being pulled into a downward spiral. idk, Im just brainstorming.
I agree with them!!! We will Never eliminate any of them. We can fix some of the problems associated with them and just perhaps they will lessen. Health care is a biggie in all you have mentioned. Im just one of those crazys that think we are already paying( I will discuss my insurance cost going up and all the high cost ER visits for a low cost treatment ). But that is just my opinion..


the cost of healthcare is obscene, I AGREE.
The affordability is ridiculous, and sometimes I am quite sure its a conspiracy between insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies.
I will not talk about the docs treating the patients though, because for one thing they are covering their own butt, and tests need to be done, redone, and overchecked. although sometimes when you are so busy, things get overlooked. and sometimes its much easier to just write an order for daily chest xrays. they gotta cover their azzzzzz.......becasue at this point that guy they are trying to save...sure wouldnt mind trying to find a way to get him a lawsuit going on.

but. if you want to complain about the price of healthcare, many already have free healthcare. that cost of the ER visit to get their stomach tapped to pull off some fluids. or emergent dialysis. whatever it is. they arent paying for their healthcare....so for the ones that are paying, this makes our costs higher..cuz everybodys gotta make some money somehow. Im not complaining, but I am also not suffering from a chronic disease.

how do u figure we decrease the costs of healthcare?? well, we stop needing it as much.




You lost me here....but. if you want to complain about the price of healthcare, many already have free healthcare. that cost of the ER visit to get their stomach tapped to pull off some fluids. or emergent dialysis. whatever it is.....It is not free health care. The hopitals have to recuope their loss. And how do they do that?? Charge me more!!! Something IM paying for!!!!!! Recoup 1/2 of thse high priced ER visits and What do you have...SAVINGS!!!!!!!!


well Im in complete agreement with you there. but Im not sure how you intend to keep people outta the ER...make more immediate care places...make sure people are having regular checkups with their doc and taking all prescribed medications. I agree with the fact that people use the ER like a doctors office. BUT i really dont see that changing.

if you have free (meaning no out of pocket money spent by yourself)healthcare, well it DOESNT matter. which "office" u use.

as for using less invasive things to manage your illness. good luck changing that. potentiol for lawsuit would exist if all AVAILABLE treatments werent implemented.
One very good way is preventive care. Access!!!!!!!! The Drs and healthcare providers is A whole other thread in the making. We have the best DRs and we need to treat them like such..

Winx's photo
Tue 11/11/08 12:04 PM
Edited by Winx on Tue 11/11/08 12:20 PM

I would like to add something to this conversation - another perspective. When one says that people already receive free healthcare, I'm thinking state paid. Many of these people have worked previously before they became ill. They may be temporarily unemployed. When they were working, they paid state taxes. It's like working and pay Soc. Sec. insurance and collecting it when you retire.

catwoman96's photo
Tue 11/11/08 12:07 PM
i agree templter...prevention is the key. and todays society with liquor stores and mcdonalds and starbucks everywhere you go.doesnt make lifestyle change the easiest thing to envision.

and well changing a whole blocks lifestlye damn near impossible to envision

but lifestyle change is the FIRST treatment.:smile:

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Tue 11/11/08 12:08 PM










There is no cure. But..they can be clean and/or sober for the rest of their lives.

yes they can winx.

and this NATION also could cure the ghetto..cuz face it...aint that one of OUR biggest problems???
the source????
The source!!!!!! Well that could be looked at the other way. The Ghetto, if you can make more money pushing dope than working a job the barely pays you enough to get buy. HMMMMMM Welfare could be look at the same way. If I can just enough to get by without working that job that pays not much more and I dont have the worry of health care. Hmmmmmm The cause is?



the cause perhaps...lack of ambition, feelings of failure, addiction, inability to find a decent job that is better than selling drugs and living on welfare, being pulled into a downward spiral. idk, Im just brainstorming.
I agree with them!!! We will Never eliminate any of them. We can fix some of the problems associated with them and just perhaps they will lessen. Health care is a biggie in all you have mentioned. Im just one of those crazys that think we are already paying( I will discuss my insurance cost going up and all the high cost ER visits for a low cost treatment ). But that is just my opinion..


the cost of healthcare is obscene, I AGREE.
The affordability is ridiculous, and sometimes I am quite sure its a conspiracy between insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies.
I will not talk about the docs treating the patients though, because for one thing they are covering their own butt, and tests need to be done, redone, and overchecked. although sometimes when you are so busy, things get overlooked. and sometimes its much easier to just write an order for daily chest xrays. they gotta cover their azzzzzz.......becasue at this point that guy they are trying to save...sure wouldnt mind trying to find a way to get him a lawsuit going on.

but. if you want to complain about the price of healthcare, many already have free healthcare. that cost of the ER visit to get their stomach tapped to pull off some fluids. or emergent dialysis. whatever it is. they arent paying for their healthcare....so for the ones that are paying, this makes our costs higher..cuz everybodys gotta make some money somehow. Im not complaining, but I am also not suffering from a chronic disease.

how do u figure we decrease the costs of healthcare?? well, we stop needing it as much.




You lost me here....but. if you want to complain about the price of healthcare, many already have free healthcare. that cost of the ER visit to get their stomach tapped to pull off some fluids. or emergent dialysis. whatever it is.....It is not free health care. The hopitals have to recuope their loss. And how do they do that?? Charge me more!!! Something IM paying for!!!!!! Recoup 1/2 of thse high priced ER visits and What do you have...SAVINGS!!!!!!!!


well Im in complete agreement with you there. but Im not sure how you intend to keep people outta the ER...make more immediate care places...make sure people are having regular checkups with their doc and taking all prescribed medications. I agree with the fact that people use the ER like a doctors office. BUT i really dont see that changing.

if you have free (meaning no out of pocket money spent by yourself)healthcare, well it DOESNT matter. which "office" u use.

as for using less invasive things to manage your illness. good luck changing that. potentiol for lawsuit would exist if all AVAILABLE treatments werent implemented.
One very good way is preventive care. Access!!!!!!!! The Drs and healthcare providers is A whole other thread in the making. We have the best DRs and we need to treat them like such..


I would like to add something to this conversation - another perspective. When one says that people already receive free healthcare, I'm thinking state paid. Many of these people have worked previously before they became ill. They may be temporarily unemployed. When they were working, they paid state taxes. It's like working and pay Soc. Sec. insurance and collecting it when you retire.
flowerforyou

catwoman96's photo
Tue 11/11/08 12:14 PM
hey i want free healthcare to. but ya know what..im too busy paying my taxes to live in a decent neighborhood.

the system is abused by MANY.

some NEED it. some have put money into it.
FEW can afford it.

some people in this WORLD dont even have access to the bare essentils. (i.e. immunizations) let alone advanced treatments.

Winx's photo
Tue 11/11/08 12:15 PM
Edited by Winx on Tue 11/11/08 12:19 PM


I would like to add something to this conversation - another perspective. When one says that people already receive free healthcare, I'm thinking state paid. Many of these people have worked previously before they became ill. They may be temporarily unemployed. When they were working, they paid state taxes. It's like working and pay Soc. Sec. insurance and collecting it when you retire.
flowerforyou


Thank you.flowerforyou

I was thinking about people that I have known that used free healthcare because they had no choice. When we say "free healthcare", I wanted to remind that it isn't all...I guess that I'm trying to say...negative connotations.

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Tue 11/11/08 12:16 PM
and what about the ones who don't qualify for 'free' healthcare but can't afford premiums?

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Tue 11/11/08 12:17 PM

i agree templter...prevention is the key. and todays society with liquor stores and mcdonalds and starbucks everywhere you go.doesnt make lifestyle change the easiest thing to envision.

and well changing a whole blocks lifestlye damn near impossible to envision

but lifestyle change is the FIRST treatment.:smile:
I dont want to get in involved others peoples lifestyles, its none of my business. I just want to fix something that affects all of us..Do we want to continue the present path or get right to the heart of the problem and try and fix it. Im open ears!!!! Show me the way.

Winx's photo
Tue 11/11/08 12:18 PM

and what about the ones who don't qualify for 'free' healthcare but can't afford premiums?


Those are the people that fall through the cracks. I think those are the people that Obama keeps talking about. He said working people with insurance will keep their insurance. It makes me think he's talking about the people that have fallen through the cracks.

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Tue 11/11/08 12:18 PM


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I would like to add something to this conversation - another perspective. When one says that people already receive free healthcare, I'm thinking state paid. Many of these people have worked previously before they became ill. They may be temporarily unemployed. When they were working, they paid state taxes. It's like working and pay Soc. Sec. insurance and collecting it when you retire.
flowerforyou


Thank you.flowerforyou

I was thinking about people that I have known that used free healthcare because they had no choice. When we say "free healthcare", I wanted to remind that it isn't all...I guess that I'm trying to say...negative connotations.
But there is a solution..flowerforyou

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Tue 11/11/08 12:19 PM



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I would like to add something to this conversation - another perspective. When one says that people already receive free healthcare, I'm thinking state paid. Many of these people have worked previously before they became ill. They may be temporarily unemployed. When they were working, they paid state taxes. It's like working and pay Soc. Sec. insurance and collecting it when you retire.
flowerforyou


Thank you.flowerforyou

I was thinking about people that I have known that used free healthcare because they had no choice. When we say "free healthcare", I wanted to remind that it isn't all...I guess that I'm trying to say...negative connotations.
But there is a solution..flowerforyou
Wow that didnt work^^^^^

Winx's photo
Tue 11/11/08 12:21 PM




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I would like to add something to this conversation - another perspective. When one says that people already receive free healthcare, I'm thinking state paid. Many of these people have worked previously before they became ill. They may be temporarily unemployed. When they were working, they paid state taxes. It's like working and pay Soc. Sec. insurance and collecting it when you retire.
flowerforyou


Thank you.flowerforyou

I was thinking about people that I have known that used free healthcare because they had no choice. When we say "free healthcare", I wanted to remind that it isn't all...I guess that I'm trying to say...negative connotations.
But there is a solution..flowerforyou
Wow that didnt work^^^^^


I know that happens to me and I don't know why.laugh

catwoman96's photo
Tue 11/11/08 12:22 PM


i agree templter...prevention is the key. and todays society with liquor stores and mcdonalds and starbucks everywhere you go.doesnt make lifestyle change the easiest thing to envision.

and well changing a whole blocks lifestlye damn near impossible to envision

but lifestyle change is the FIRST treatment.:smile:
I dont want to get in involved others peoples lifestyles, its none of my business. I just want to fix something that affects all of us..Do we want to continue the present path or get right to the heart of the problem and try and fix it. Im open ears!!!! Show me the way.


hey me too. but LIFESTYLE change is the only way to improve the basic problems that i see dragging America down. (addictions, crime, poverty, high cost of everything)

the only treatment i can see to change things is BRING on the jobs. for unskilled workers. train them.
impact peoples lifestyles. if you dont do THAT..then you are doing a quick fix that will ultimately end up requiring another quick fix.

Winx's photo
Tue 11/11/08 12:24 PM


i agree templter...prevention is the key. and todays society with liquor stores and mcdonalds and starbucks everywhere you go.doesnt make lifestyle change the easiest thing to envision.

and well changing a whole blocks lifestlye damn near impossible to envision

but lifestyle change is the FIRST treatment.:smile:
I dont want to get in involved others peoples lifestyles, its none of my business. I just want to fix something that affects all of us..Do we want to continue the present path or get right to the heart of the problem and try and fix it. Im open ears!!!! Show me the way.


Every year at school my child has health education. They teach about healthy living, nutrition, etc. Maybe it's already starting in small ways.

I don't recall having those classes when I was young.

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Tue 11/11/08 12:27 PM





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I would like to add something to this conversation - another perspective. When one says that people already receive free healthcare, I'm thinking state paid. Many of these people have worked previously before they became ill. They may be temporarily unemployed. When they were working, they paid state taxes. It's like working and pay Soc. Sec. insurance and collecting it when you retire.
flowerforyou


Thank you.flowerforyou

I was thinking about people that I have known that used free healthcare because they had no choice. When we say "free healthcare", I wanted to remind that it isn't all...I guess that I'm trying to say...negative connotations.
But there is a solution..flowerforyou
Wow that didnt work^^^^^


I know that happens to me and I don't know why.laugh
Work work work its off I go to work. Gotta make that extra money for " That free Health care " I wonder how many of those ER bills I can pay off tonight.... What ever it takes.. Goodnite to All

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Tue 11/11/08 12:28 PM
DAM IT DID IT AGAINgrumble

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Tue 11/11/08 12:34 PM
<~~~ Don't have insurance. But my kids do, which makes me happy.

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Tue 11/11/08 12:37 PM

<~~~ Don't have insurance. But my kids do, which makes me happy.


same here
but my doctor is yelling at me about it
what am i supposed to do