I would really like to know all there is to know about entropy because I seek the fountain of youth.

And as they say, you should know thy enemy.

As it relates to QP I would have to leave that to Abra,Bushi, and others, but as to how it affects us or this reality - it's evident that all things except goddesses need maintenance or they will return to their original state in time - like a car rusting away as the paint and primer degrade/oxidize.

this happens with all things even rocks if subject to the proper sources[water,sand.] etc..

but it also holds true as far as can be seen to all substance everywhere. that's why my question to Bushi, even if there are hundreds or millions of universes and dimensions, what is the cause of their existence their being? who/what is maintaining everything and keeping it from just returning to its original state?

To me this has always been the "ultimate" question to answer within science and philosophy and life in general. Thus my book. i remember when i first told you that i felt everything was nothing more than vibrations [vibratory] and you agreed back then. though we may look at it differently, i still think this absolutely true, but like you i am not a scientist and have no mathematical way to prove it, but now they come along and say the same thing with the M-universe theory, string theory[though i dont agree its strings, i think as you, its just particle waves] and multi-dimensional realities.

With these theories it opens up a whole new dimension of possabilities such as ones i had that ufo's, aliens, and all other known phenomena occurs by these things being able to come through different dimensions from other universes ans so on. And as i look back on my writings from mid 80's i see that science is now also holding out the possablity of this being scientifically true, and i'm pleased.

As to the fountain of youth, enjoy growing old my lady, its just the last step in this plane that will be quickly followed by the next, no matter if i agree with you or not -

I would enjoy living a very long long time, but I don't enjoy growing old and tired. I think I would like to live at least 500 years and still be as healthy as a 35 year old.

I will find the secret.

Buaahahahaha ha ha ha (evil laugh)

well at least your not greedy, you could have said 18 and a thousand years.

A measly 500 years should be easy. After that, I will be ready to go somewhere else.

Entropy gets thrown around a lot in physics. The idea itself is not complicated in simple systems and I will describe it in the simplest of terms.

Ok envision a closed system, this is fancy terms for a container that does not have holes in it.

Lets say this container is a football field sized pool table with FAR more then 9 balls on it, but all of them clustered in the center of the table.

Start all of the balls off in the center touching each other, like we where going to break. Now instead of breaking by striking the balls just vibrate the table ever so slightly in a completely even manner, ie the table always stays perfectly level. (we are keeping it simple remember)

The balls will start to move, but being that they are all placed in the center right next to each other they will bump into one another, the motion will become irregular very quickly, some balls will get bumped into other balls which will bump into other balls.
Within a short period of time the balls will no longer be in the center of the table . . . this is easy to imagine, and always happens eventually.

When all the balls where neatly placed side by side in the middle of the table there was a lot of order, it was simple and orderly.

But very quickly we have a system that is at equilibrium. ie all the balls are roughly evenly spaced around the table taking up the whole area vs when they started out they where in the center only.

This is entropy. It is the description of particles when they move due to the heat of a system they bump into each other and distribute the heat energy.

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Here is the 2nd law of thermodynamics
Here is the simplest and most correct general version I found, there are several "forms" of the law for different situations.


-Second Law of Thermodynamics: In any cyclic process the entropy will either increase or remain the same.

Here is an introductory from a college text

-"Thermodynamics is a study of the fundamental driving forces of chemical reactions in bulk.
Thermodynamics treats systems in equilibrium. [non-equilibrium thermodynamics treats
systems near the equilibrium state.]

Thermodynamics treats matter in bulk and furthermore is a system that is independent
of microscopic, or molecular properties and depends only on macroscopic variables such as
temperature, T, pressure, P, volume, V, number of moles, N, work, W, energy, E, etc. These
variables are divided into two classes. One class (intensive variables) are the quantities that
do not depend on the amount of a substance. Examples of such variables are temperature,
and pressure.
The other class (extensive variables) are those variables that do depend on
the amount of material. Examples of these are the volume, the number of moles and the
energy. Thermodynamics is a physical system that defines quantities, called state functions,
that depend only on the initial and final states of the process and not on the path getting
from the initial state to the final state. What we shall call classical thermodynamics, or just
thermodynamics, treats systems where no matter crosses the system boundary.

A cell, for
example, would not be amenable to thermodynamic analysis since material crosses the cell
wall. It is possible to take into account matter flows, but it complicates the analysis and is
beyond the scope of our discussion. Thus, we treat closed systems that are at equilibrium.
Thermodynamics is model independent (not dependent on any microscopic view) and rests
on a few basic observations: 1) energy is conserved; 2) there are states of physical systems
that cannot be reached from the initial state without allowing the flow of heat into the
system."


-Entropy
-The enthalpy has to do with the \energetics" of a process, but it is just one of the factors
in nature determining the direction of chemical change.

We also intuitively know that
systems tend to disorder{ice melts spontaneously at room temperature, or a gas separated
from an evacuated volume by a valve expands into it when the valve is opened \never" to
spontaneously return to the original volume, Fig. 19.2.

(The word never is placed in quotes
to indicate that the probability of all the gas molecules returning to the original volume,
leaving an evacuated chamber, is very, very slight.) The entropy is the measure of such
spontaneous, natural tendencies to disorder.

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Long story short its mostly about heat flow or particle interactions, or chemical reactions. Which are all energy transfers.

This post is getting too long so . . .

I will follow up with how open systems can gain order despite entropy, and without breaking any laws. And how the nature of closed systems can cause fluctuations in entropy or spikes of order ect.

Wow thanks, that put me right to sleep.

Now I know why I'm an artist.

Your path to Fountain of Youth is probably gonna be thru downloading into a computer.

bushi, i understand what your saying but where does the idea i put forward from my readings of entropy enter the picture?

""without maintenance all things return to their most basic elementary state of existence"" - steel to rust, [iron oxide,etc] was I wrong? or is that another field? can things such as we make stay as they are without maintenance from an outside force beyond us? Can the universe[s]? that is what i'm asking? according to what I've read, its impossible? correct me if I'm wrong or misunderstanding.

No, my secret formula involves eating live monkey brains. Oops!

No. All systems will require energy to keep order. At micro levels order can arise statistically without energy input, however macro levels require energy input to create any meaningful amount of order.

Let me take a moment to put the source of order into perspective.

Gravity is the great provider. Mass attracts mass. This is additive, it does not cancel itself unlike electromagnetism.

This means that a universe with matter will not be static unless all matter is in one spot ie the center of the pool table with no vibration, ie heat.

A cloud of hydrogen will collapse the pressure that accumulates as the cloud collapses will increase heat.

First law of thermodynamics states -The increase in the internal energy of a system is equal to the amount of energy added by heating the system, minus the amount lost as a result of the work done by the system on its surroundings.

So gravity is doing work on the hydrogen cloud causing it to collapse, this energy gets converted into heat, the heat builds until fusion starts at which time the energy release by the fusion is radiant vibrations of the electromagnetic spectrum which spew its energy out into space at the speed of light to strike down on earth to be used to create order from chaos.

At the end of the day almost all order comes from gravity. We can thank gravity for our existence.

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This however does not explain why we age despite the fact we are ALWAYS adding energy to our systems, that is a conversation for biology and is primarily about the copying of genetic information.

I always said that gravity was a good idea. (In spited of what it does to the boobs and ass.)

I read somewhere that a piece of human skin can be kept alive in a lab indefinitely and that science has not yet found out why we age. I think it has something to do with the accumulation of waste and parasites and the processing of energy.

It has to do with prime sources need for infinite expansion of creative materials. To return thing to there original form to be used again in a new vibrant way throughout the matrix.

Honestly its because we do not fully understand the system as a whole. We do not understand the brain completely, the brain makes choices based on need. If the brain senses that something is a loosing battle such as keeping your skin smooth vs maintaining your liver . . . then the more important facet will get the needed resources.

We eat horribly, the needed resources are not always available because we do not eat right.

Also things that are completely unseen can cause damage to all kinds of DNA, including the templates that are used as a backup copy.

If a template gets damaged, and cannot be repaired, your cells will get replaced using that bad copy. Which adds up over time.

The issue is that complex systems with receptors and proteins that we do not fully understand, we cannot go in and intelligently know what went wrong, and even if we know what got broke off in the chain, we wont necessarily know what to replace it with, especially if we do not understand its function . . .

So first steps is decoding all human proteins and enzymes, then we need to be able to modify cells at will (stem cell research) then we need to be able to store all of these codes, and the epigenetics of how the environment has effected your system and how your system has adapted to its environment. Then we can fix anything.

(I don't fully understand this biology is not my field so anyone who knows better PLEASE feel free to correct me, I am seriously a lay man here, learning more everyday but still a no0b)


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What I do know more about is how DNA can get damaged without poor diet, without bad habits like smoking, without carcinogens coming into contact with cells . . . .

Cosmic rays, high energy light, radioactive particles called beta particles can all ionize and damage cells within our bodies without us ever feeling a thing, completely invisible, and completely potentially deadly radiations that are impossible to avoid completely.

Cosmic rays are constantly being shot out from our sun and every other star all the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ray

X rays are just a higher energy light wave that has a higher frequency and smaller wavelength and thus can pass through solid objects (of certain materials) and if it connects directly with an atom can cause ionization, which could cause destruction or partial damage to a cell . . . trust me its better if it destroys the cell outright or triggers apoptosis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apoptosis

Gamma rays are just even higher energy light from x rays, with even higher frequency, and smaller wavelength and thus pass through even more matter, and have a higher chance of ionizing atoms, and causing cell damage due to that ionization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_ray

Beta Particles are your old fashion radiation due to unstable elements.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_particle

We have a Giant Cosmic Ray Observatory here in Colorado. It's main base of operation is about 50 miles from where I live. (Lamar CO) It is called the The Pierre Auger Observatory.

There are only two of these Observatories in the world. One is right here, and the other is in western Argentina.

http://www.auger.org/observatory/ -->their website

http://www.springfieldcolorado.com/auger.html -->(my website)

What is truly fascinating about these cosmic rays are that they are not coming from our solar system. They are coming here from a location in deep space that is unknown.

These are NOT your common low energy cosmic rays. These are high energy particles.

I've been meaning to pay them a visit as they give tours. I would like to learn more about these particles.

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"While cosmic rays with low to moderate energies are well understood, those with extremely high energies remain mysterious. By detecting and studying these rare particles, the Auger Observatory is tackling the enigmas of their origin and existence."

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"The Pierre Auger Cosmic Ray Observatory is studying ultra-high energy cosmic rays, the most energetic and rarest of particles in the universe. When these particles strike the earth's atmosphere, they produce extensive air showers made of billions of secondary particles.

While much progress has been made in nearly a century of research in understanding cosmic rays with low to moderate energies, those with extremely high energies remain mysterious"

Thats considered a delicacy in India though they are not live, but eaten chilled. They bring the monkey (deceased) to your table and saw open the head using a very ritualistic "athame" of sorts. I dont know what the actual type of knife they use is referred to as.

Then you just scoop and eat them out of the actual cranium like ice cream from a bowl. Historically eating the heart and brain of a mammal has been expressed in many cultures through out the world. Its a way to adsorb the feelings, thought and strengths of the animal. Human flesh has also been consumed in ritualistic ceremony.

American Indians will sometimes remove the beating heart from a freshly killed deer and drink this down steaming hot from the still functioning muscle. Young male braves are the most likely to do this after their first kill. A right of passage. Its also a way to honor the animal and ingest the spirit.

S = ∞ [infinite creation]