The day men and women stop believing in a Creator, God Higher being that created them and start believing in the strenght of the human heart and brain will be a better day, that is where hope for us as a civilization is and not in a God that we created because we cannot accept the fact that we are alone in this and that we will suffer the results of our actions from the beginning we better like to believe that someone something will come and save us on that final day. We cannot accept that that there is nothing after here we like better to see a place were everything is perfect and waiting for us for us to live eternity in peace and bliss. Since the beginning that man started to think and reason we always had to have something bigger than us some God or Gods to save us protect us, we are still a baby as a race so we still need the protection of a bigger thing than us. One day we will grow and realize that we human are only part of this planet and a temporary tenant on it. Will we learn in time? or destroy this mother of a planet or will Earth get rid of us one day? Only time will tell.

It would be a peaceful world. Think of all the wars throughout history that would have been avoided and all of the lives that would not have been lost in the name of a religion! There has never been as much loss in this world then that lost because of religion. NOTHING has killed more then religion! In the beginning and perhaps still now, man has been gullible and stupid. Always looking for someone or something to blame or follow, like sheep. We are no longer that man and need to grow up and make peace with each other. We have brains and are able to reason.

I agree that most wars have been done in the name of Religion.
But was the true example of our Messiah carried out? Or was it men twisting things for thier own agenda for what the root cause of all wars really is.

Power.

It all boils down to Power. This country's founding on religion caused the South to attach a fort when Lincoln before he was in office just did not want slavery to spread.

This so angered slave owners that they attached a fort setting off the civil war white man against white man over the freedom of slaves.

Then people for this cause risked thier lives in the underground railroad sneeking slaves out of the south.

This from the Union states was not done for power. It was done because the Bible and our constitution said all men are created equal.

This was good men doing the right thing.

Then came along the right for women to vote. We can see in our Muslim countries the rights of women.

It had been like this everywhere for a long time.

This country trying to correct the wrongs and misguided teachings of the Holy Scriptures were trying to understand more what our creator really says for us to do.

This being the foundation of this country through our constitution.

After deliberations and the House and Senate even Today opens with a Prayer. Who were trying to understand more. Seen that women should have the right to vote.


Then in the 60's I believe when some KKK members killed 4 african Americans and the Bombing at a church that killed several Black children. Our Govt. stepped in to protect thier rights.

Not a very popular decision amoung alot of people. Yet they saw how bad it had gotten and that our Bible Based Constitution said this is the right thing to do.

We ended up with the civil rights act.

All Men are created Equal.

The very thought of all this being done by a society such as Russia which is a non believing Monarchy. We would still own slaves. Women would not vote and we would be in a society where the ruling upper class rules.

Oh I forgot. thats us today isn't it. Govt. owned banks.

Pres. does not answer to the people but makes his own rules and laws.


Invading countries that we had no good reason to invade.

While killing our children while the rich get richer.

Yes We have come along way. We have become Un Holy. We are going back to the time of hide behind a shield with a cross on it and it makes it right.


but stomp on our constitution and all of our rights as our Politians deem fit.

This is not scripture Based. No this is man doing his own thing as you all suggest. We are already thier.

Lets use this forum as an example. Thier are far more unbelievers here than believers.

It is just a taste of what trinkles down from the top.

What our children are taught in school.

The rage towards religion our Proffessors of colleges proclaim in thier philosophy to our young adults before they reach the work force.

Philosophy is where it is at. Man can do anything he wants. Religion is for the weak. Darwin says it is survival of the fittests.

Selection. or selective philosophy. By who? The ruling upper class is who.

Yet we believe this lie. We forgo all our grandparents stood for. Because we our taught in a peer pressure society to where if you do not get with the program you are a loner.

The but of jokes. So our children give in and start to believe this lie os selectivity.

We see right now how survival of the fittests works.

The Govt. takes control.

Is that your utopia? Selective classes depending on what your parents status in society was is what you will be.


It is amazing we are told oh we were a catfish and then the catfish began to come on land then the catfish stood up. Then he lost his fins. then his guiles and he grew arms and leggs. Then hair come on him to keep him warm. His head changed to look like a chimp and then his whole body and he moved to the forrest. Then he started to grow smarter and as he did this he was able to stand straight up instead of humped over. Then he became a MAN. this man came down to be who we are today.


Then the bible just says you were created to rule the earth and all that is on it and I gave you my breathe of life and you came alive.


What an amazing joke Satan has played on Mankind.

Go tell gramma that we all were catfish at one day and see if she laughs thinking you are her very funny grandchild.

No this is a Mark of socialism. And we love it. The TV tells us we do. Our schools tell us we do. so we must.

We have become I AM. Yet thier is only one I AM.. Blessings...Miles

POWERS BEHIND THE HISTORY:

The issue of slavery and freeing the slaves was brought about because the northern industrialist wanted and needed more cheap labor, it had nothing to do with "all men were created equal" it was simply due to economics of industrialist. the slaves were to replace the Irish as a "cheaper labor force, as well as others.

When the constitution was formed, the writers meaning of "ALL MEN" was thought of by the framers as all >civilized men< - not all races, creeds,and colors.Why do you think it took so long for race issues to really be addressed?

The constitution was based on english philosophers of democratic and republic ideals such as Locke anf Hume, as well as others - that was tempered with deist thoughts and even Native american thoughts on what kind of government should be accepted as a standard for america [see last three pages of smiless native americans OP that i contribute to.

As to religion - your correct god cannot be blamed for the selfish desires of men who seek power and position and will do what ever to obtain it - be it pope or religious government. the people should not have followed.

Its not that I didn't "like" your answer, QS. Not at all.

I suppose I wish to rebel because you seem to put out this message that there there is no other way than yours and that somehow this places you above me and anyone else who won't see it your way.

And your God (not that yours is ANY different then mine) is somehow more attainable because you trudge the road of Christianity? Please don't even pretend to know where I've trudged?

The "One" who created BOTH you and I is no more or less attainable for either one of us. Its equal. I seriously doubt that Jesus walked around acting as if he was somehow better than his fellow humans because he believed he knew what others didn't. That wasn't what he was about, was it?

Both you and I are here to learn. I salute your path

Shalom Tribo.

Here is the Preamble of the U S Constition. I see the Holy Scriptures written all over it IMO.



Article One: The Legislative Branch


The Preamble

The preamble outlines the purpose of the new federal government formed under the U.S. Constitution. The statement suggests that the Articles of Confederation had failed as a governing document in all the ways that the new Constitution would succeed: in insuring peace and justice, providing “common defense,” and promoting “general Welfare.”

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.



Here is reference of the reason for the civil war.



The Civil War: 1860–1865

The Civil War was the most catastrophic event in American history. More than 600,000 Americans died in the war, more than all those who died in every other American war combined. Though the war was bloody and horrendous, sometimes pitting father against son, it ultimately brought the North and South closer together.

Since the signing of the Constitution, the North and the South had developed into two distinct regions with two distinct economies and social structures. They had grown apart and were especially divided over the institution of slavery and individual states’ rights versus the federal government. The war ended both debates, ensuring that slavery would perish and that federal power would dominate over states’ rights, settling the sectional debate once and for all.

The Civil War proved to the world that democracy worked. Lincoln recognized the historical significance of the war even before he had won. In his Gettysburg Address, he argued that the outcome of the Civil War would determine the fate of representative government for the entire world. In his own words, “. . . we here highly resolve . . . that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”


Here Lincoln had ticked the south off before he took office over slavery. The attach on Fort Sumner SC is what led to the Emancipation Proclamation. Which started the war.




In the presidential election of 1860, the Republican Party, led by Abraham Lincoln, had campaigned against the expansion of slavery beyond the states in which it already existed. The Republican victory in that election resulted in seven Southern states declaring their secession from the Union even before Lincoln took office on March 4, 1861. Both the outgoing and incoming U.S. administrations rejected secession, regarding it as rebellion.

Hostilities began on April 12, 1861, when Confederate forces attacked a U.S. military installation at Fort Sumter in South Carolina. Lincoln responded by calling for a volunteer army from each state, leading to declarations of secession by four more Southern slave states. Both sides raised armies as the Union assumed control of the border states early in the war and established a naval blockade. In September 1862, Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation made ending slavery in the South a war goal, and dissuaded the British from intervening. Confederate commander Robert E. Lee won battles in the east, but in 1863 his northward advance was turned back at Gettysburg and, in the west, the Union gained control of the Mississippi River at the Battle of Vicksburg, thereby splitting the Confederacy. Long-term Union advantages in men and material were realized in 1864 when Ulysses S. Grant fought battles of attrition against Lee as Union general William Sherman captured Atlanta, Georgia, and marched to the sea. Confederate resistance collapsed after Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomattox Court House on April 9, 1865.



I see nothing but men trying to do thier best to secure a nation for all as equal. This took time. But this is a biblical principle taken very highly of these men. I do not see how or why slavery would of mattered if they were not trying to follow the Tennents of the Holy Scriptures. In either case.. Shalom Tribo...Miles

Hi my friend - it's amazing how surface history hides the truth of things behind the curtains huh?

behind the scenes it was the most formidable and wealthy industrialist that saw Lincoln as a useable pawn to get done what they wanted done. it worked rather well don't you think?

Lincoln - along with with some of the founding fathers such as B. franklin, Thomas Jefferson, etc. were Deist, they had no ties to yaweh, or a biblical god. that said - for sure the majority were christian or of biblical thought. but if you read Locke and Hume and even Jefferson and Lincoln themselves, you'll see that i'm correct.

To many make mention of those i mention as to having read the bible, which is true, but not for the reasons christians do but as a handbook to morality. not for observence of the god in the book.

Yes the Bible is a handbook to morality. Whats right and whats wrong.

The cheap labor exploits I can see that happening. It still is today and has for probally 40 or more years in the southwest and west farm land. They are doing the same thing with the Mexicans.. Shalom..Miles

PS.. And I like our Fine Presidents remarks when backed in a corner about why we can't keep illegals out. Those farm jobs americans will not do. so it helps our economy.. HUMBUG