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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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In the holographic matrix anything that can be imagined exists.
We imagine Heaven and Hell and everyone imagines them a little differently. I suspect if you think you are unworthy of Heaven and if you believe in a Hell, then you will probably spend some time in one of them and you may remain there until you get fed up with it and free yourself. Yes you can get out of Hell and you can leave Heaven anytime you want. Given that we as spirits are dealing with eternity where heaven and hell are concerned, eternity is a long time and you are bound to get bored with Heaven or Hell. Don't worry about it, you can leave. Soul is truly free. You don't have to serve your master forever whether he be Satan or Jesus, or Allah or Rah or the earth mother.... You will do what you intend and desire to do eventually. There is no rush. We have infinity.... Describe your ideal heaven and your personal Hell here.... |
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Edited by
Derekkye
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Sun 10/19/08 01:06 PM
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seems like the people of Sodom and Gomorah would agree with you - as for me I will serve the Lord God forever, and if I find myself in hell I will call upon Him to deliver me out of it
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Describe your ideal heaven and your personal Hell here.... JB Heaven is to read your posts and see the genius of your mind Hell would be to lose my sight and to your typing I'd be blind Heaven is to hear the thoughts that you create with love and joy Hell would be to read the dogma that seeks your spirit to destroy Heaven's in your lovely voice and in the sparkle of your eyes Hell is in religious creeds and the freedom they despise Heaven's in the friendliness that you adoringly bequeath Hell is in the churches that preach a false belief Heaven is to be with you and share life's great rewards Hell would be to join a cult and force the 'word of god' with swords Heaven's like the flower that you wear upon your hair Hell are those who hurt you with the deception of a prayer Heaven's in your liveliness and in your giggle when you're glad Hell is in the hearts of those who would strive to make you sad Heaven's in your spirit and in the lovely things you do Hell is in evangelists and the angry hate they spew Heaven's in your lovely scent and the fragrance of a flower Hell is in cathedrals and the idols on their tower Heaven's in your magick and the incantations that you chant Hell is in the clergy and the evils that they rant Heaven's just to be with you just the way you are Hell is in the 'guilt trip' that will leave you with a scar 
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seems like the people of Sodom and Gomorah would agree with you - That was a pretty nasty thing to say.  Clearly there isn't any love to be seen from the religious fanatics. Why do you religious fantatics always feel a need to assume the worst? It's hatred all the way. Just assume, assume, assume, and never give anyone credit for having divine intentions. Excuse me whilst I go puke.  It's precisely the bigoted judgmental mentalities like yours that justify the poem that I just wrote.  Guilt trip city.  No credit given to anyone. Not even those who are clearly pure of heart. |
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Heaven.....the perfect wave, with the perfect ocean temperature... with dolphin friends sharing the wave, and playing.
A winter's night, as a warm little person comes and snuggles up after a bad dream... Holding my newborn children for the first time. A butterfly landing on my hand....or a tiny Sunbird who accidently came into the house, and eventually alights on my finger, so I can walk it outside. Hell...knowing what homelessness and hunger and fear look like. |
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abra -
It's precisely the bigoted judgmental mentalities like yours that justify the poem that I just wrote. Guilt trip city. ??? - bigotry does not justify bigotry, it just makes both look bad. |
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Edited by
tribo
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Sun 10/19/08 02:05 PM
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In the holographic matrix anything that can be imagined exists. We imagine Heaven and Hell and everyone imagines them a little differently. I suspect if you think you are unworthy of Heaven and if you believe in a Hell, then you will probably spend some time in one of them and you may remain there until you get fed up with it and free yourself. Yes you can get out of Hell and you can leave Heaven anytime you want. Given that we as spirits are dealing with eternity where heaven and hell are concerned, eternity is a long time and you are bound to get bored with Heaven or Hell. Don't worry about it, you can leave. Soul is truly free. You don't have to serve your master forever whether he be Satan or Jesus, or Allah or Rah or the earth mother.... You will do what you intend and desire to do eventually. There is no rush. We have infinity.... Describe your ideal heaven and your personal Hell here.... my lady, every time i see you post about things like this i can't help but wonder how your so sure that this is or will be the case? You say it with the same certainty of those of the book state their claims, what is there for me to go on about this other than your claims about it? your curious friend -
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Edited by
splendidlife
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Sun 10/19/08 02:23 PM
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In the holographic matrix anything that can be imagined exists. We imagine Heaven and Hell and everyone imagines them a little differently. I suspect if you think you are unworthy of Heaven and if you believe in a Hell, then you will probably spend some time in one of them and you may remain there until you get fed up with it and free yourself. Yes you can get out of Hell and you can leave Heaven anytime you want. Given that we as spirits are dealing with eternity where heaven and hell are concerned, eternity is a long time and you are bound to get bored with Heaven or Hell. Don't worry about it, you can leave. Soul is truly free. You don't have to serve your master forever whether he be Satan or Jesus, or Allah or Rah or the earth mother.... You will do what you intend and desire to do eventually. There is no rush. We have infinity.... Describe your ideal heaven and your personal Hell here.... Ideal Heaven: Part I Here on Earth, each individual spontaneously becomes willing to take complete responsibility for all he/she has said and done, is saying and doing and will say and do. This means we ALL become able to see how our actions will effect humanity's AND all life's greater good... BEFORE WE TAKE THE ACTIONS... This starts with the ones closest to us (our children, our siblings, our parents, our lovers, our animals, the earth). Taking complete responsibility would require looking at what we have done so far and how it has effected the whole (not just our selves). When we are completely willing to look at ALL of it and realize that some actions we've taken have had negative impact (on others and our selves), we are then ready to shift into our greatest learning. From this we LEARN for future actions/interactions. We are able to release the guilt of having once created negative because we now fully know that all we did was in service to learning. We move on to teach this to our children... This filters down through generations until perhaps it becomes automatic. |
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Oh Heaven
Heaven is a place A place where nothing Nothing ever happens |
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In the holographic matrix anything that can be imagined exists. We imagine Heaven and Hell and everyone imagines them a little differently. I suspect if you think you are unworthy of Heaven and if you believe in a Hell, then you will probably spend some time in one of them and you may remain there until you get fed up with it and free yourself. Yes you can get out of Hell and you can leave Heaven anytime you want. Given that we as spirits are dealing with eternity where heaven and hell are concerned, eternity is a long time and you are bound to get bored with Heaven or Hell. Don't worry about it, you can leave. Soul is truly free. You don't have to serve your master forever whether he be Satan or Jesus, or Allah or Rah or the earth mother.... You will do what you intend and desire to do eventually. There is no rush. We have infinity.... Describe your ideal heaven and your personal Hell here.... Ideal Heaven: Part I Here on Earth, each individual spontaneously becomes willing to take complete responsibility for all he/she has said and done, is saying and doing and will say and do. This means we ALL become able to see how our actions will effect humanity's AND all life's greater good... BEFORE WE TAKE THE ACTIONS... This starts with the ones closest to us (our children, our siblings, our parents, our lovers, our animals, the earth). Taking complete responsibility would require looking at what we have done so far and how it has effected the whole (not just our selves). When we are completely willing to look at ALL of it and realize that some actions we've taken have had negative impact (on others and our selves), we are then ready to shift into our greatest learning. From this we LEARN for future actions/interactions. We are able to release the guilt of having once created negative because we now fully know that all we did was in service to learning. We move on to teach this to our children... This filters down through generations until perhaps it becomes automatic. Personal Hell Part I Knowing that we have the ability to take responsibility for all we have said and done, are saying and doing and will say and do, but continuing to exist under the control of previous conditioning. |
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Heaven: Understanding all.
Hell: Understanding nothing. |
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Edited by
Abracadabra
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Sun 10/19/08 04:31 PM
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abra - It's precisely the bigoted judgmental mentalities like yours that justify the poem that I just wrote. Guilt trip city. ??? - bigotry does not justify bigotry, it just makes both look bad. Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. At least I'm a bigot in my own right and don't hide behind the skirt of a deity. It's true that I'm fed up with impious holy rollers. From my point of view there is nothing more dispicable than being a bigot in the name of God. It's truly that principle that disgusts me. If a person wants to be a bigot at least let them own up to the fact that it's their own choice. Pretending that they are being righteous about it is the haughtiness that makes it so sick. Am I bigoted against impious hateful religious fanatics? You betcha!  |
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In the holographic matrix anything that can be imagined exists. We imagine Heaven and Hell and everyone imagines them a little differently. I suspect if you think you are unworthy of Heaven and if you believe in a Hell, then you will probably spend some time in one of them and you may remain there until you get fed up with it and free yourself. Yes you can get out of Hell and you can leave Heaven anytime you want. Given that we as spirits are dealing with eternity where heaven and hell are concerned, eternity is a long time and you are bound to get bored with Heaven or Hell. Don't worry about it, you can leave. Soul is truly free. You don't have to serve your master forever whether he be Satan or Jesus, or Allah or Rah or the earth mother.... You will do what you intend and desire to do eventually. There is no rush. We have infinity.... Describe your ideal heaven and your personal Hell here.... my lady, every time i see you post about things like this i can't help but wonder how your so sure that this is or will be the case? You say it with the same certainty of those of the book state their claims, what is there for me to go on about this other than your claims about it? your curious friend - I am confident that imagination rules the world and manifests all things. It is the creative faculty. I am confident that soul is free, and that freedom is paramount because the feeling is in me. I am confident I would grow tired and bored of a perfect world (that some imagine Heaven to be,) because I have been there and done that, and I am confident that I can escape Hell because I have done that a few times, even in this life. I suspect things, I conclude things, I hold the most reasonable opinions I can muster. I have confidence in that. It is not certainty, its confidence. I am also sure that I could be wrong in many of my conclusions but I am not afraid of being wrong because if I discover I am wrong it is because I have discovered something that is more reasonable and more close to being true. I am free to think I am right and I am free to change my mind and I am free to be confident. I care little about proving my statements as I know that proof is only a matter of belief and that everything is basically and always a point of view or opinion anyway. I just put out the truth as I feel it and I will be happy to admit that I can't prove it and that it is just my opinion and you can do with it what you choose. Perhaps I am delusional and perhaps I hold false confidence, but to me it is real confidence and it serves to bring me peace as I sift through each lesson the universe presents to me for my purposes. For each statement and conclusion I present I would happily answer truthfully why I have reached this conclusion. All conclusions are always subject to change if they can be replaced by something more reasonable to me. JB |
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seems like the people of Sodom and Gomorah would agree with you - as for me I will serve the Lord God forever, and if I find myself in hell I will call upon Him to deliver me out of it  You say that now and probably believe it too, but after three or four "forevers" you will have had enough of serving your Lord and Master ~ whomever he may be. |
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Edited by
tribo
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Sun 10/19/08 05:08 PM
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abra - It's precisely the bigoted judgmental mentalities like yours that justify the poem that I just wrote. Guilt trip city. ??? - bigotry does not justify bigotry, it just makes both look bad. Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. At least I'm a bigot in my own right and don't hide behind the skirt of a deity. It's true that I'm fed up with impious holy rollers. From my point of view there is nothing more dispicable than being a bigot in the name of God. It's truly that principle that disgusts me. If a person wants to be a bigot at least let them own up to the fact that it's their own choice. Pretending that they are being righteous about it is the haughtiness that makes it so sick. Am I bigoted against impious hateful religious fanatics? You betcha! whoa!!! now you've really gone and done it!!!! i will not put up with your use of rett butlers line in a discussion on bigotry!!! find another movie to quote from!!! something from little house on the prarie or maybe touched by an angel. |
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abra - It's precisely the bigoted judgmental mentalities like yours that justify the poem that I just wrote. Guilt trip city. ??? - bigotry does not justify bigotry, it just makes both look bad. Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. At least I'm a bigot in my own right and don't hide behind the skirt of a deity. It's true that I'm fed up with impious holy rollers. From my point of view there is nothing more dispicable than being a bigot in the name of God. It's truly that principle that disgusts me. If a person wants to be a bigot at least let them own up to the fact that it's their own choice. Pretending that they are being righteous about it is the haughtiness that makes it so sick. Am I bigoted against impious hateful religious fanatics? You betcha! whoa!!! now you've really gone and done it!!!! i will not put up with your use of rett butlers line in a discussion on bigotry!!! find another movie to quote from!!! The turn that this thread has taken energetically has me shaken...  Not stirred. |
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In the holographic matrix anything that can be imagined exists. We imagine Heaven and Hell and everyone imagines them a little differently. I suspect if you think you are unworthy of Heaven and if you believe in a Hell, then you will probably spend some time in one of them and you may remain there until you get fed up with it and free yourself. Yes you can get out of Hell and you can leave Heaven anytime you want. Given that we as spirits are dealing with eternity where heaven and hell are concerned, eternity is a long time and you are bound to get bored with Heaven or Hell. Don't worry about it, you can leave. Soul is truly free. You don't have to serve your master forever whether he be Satan or Jesus, or Allah or Rah or the earth mother.... You will do what you intend and desire to do eventually. There is no rush. We have infinity.... Describe your ideal heaven and your personal Hell here.... my lady, every time i see you post about things like this i can't help but wonder how your so sure that this is or will be the case? You say it with the same certainty of those of the book state their claims, what is there for me to go on about this other than your claims about it? your curious friend - I am confident that imagination rules the world and manifests all things. It is the creative faculty. I am confident that soul is free, and that freedom is paramount because the feeling is in me. I am confident I would grow tired and bored of a perfect world (that some imagine Heaven to be,) because I have been there and done that, and I am confident that I can escape Hell because I have done that a few times, even in this life. I suspect things, I conclude things, I hold the most reasonable opinions I can muster. I have confidence in that. It is not certainty, its confidence. I am also sure that I could be wrong in many of my conclusions but I am not afraid of being wrong because if I discover I am wrong it is because I have discovered something that is more reasonable and more close to being true. I am free to think I am right and I am free to change my mind and I am free to be confident. I care little about proving my statements as I know that proof is only a matter of belief and that everything is basically and always a point of view or opinion anyway. I just put out the truth as I feel it and I will be happy to admit that I can't prove it and that it is just my opinion and you can do with it what you choose. Perhaps I am delusional and perhaps I hold false confidence, but to me it is real confidence and it serves to bring me peace as I sift through each lesson the universe presents to me for my purposes. For each statement and conclusion I present I would happily answer truthfully why I have reached this conclusion. All conclusions are always subject to change if they can be replaced by something more reasonable to me. JB wel i can't ask you to be more "truthful" than that, i was just making sure you had not closed the doors on further findings as they arise as you've stated in the past- 
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Look up...
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abra - It's precisely the bigoted judgmental mentalities like yours that justify the poem that I just wrote. Guilt trip city. ??? - bigotry does not justify bigotry, it just makes both look bad. Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. At least I'm a bigot in my own right and don't hide behind the skirt of a deity. It's true that I'm fed up with impious holy rollers. From my point of view there is nothing more dispicable than being a bigot in the name of God. It's truly that principle that disgusts me. If a person wants to be a bigot at least let them own up to the fact that it's their own choice. Pretending that they are being righteous about it is the haughtiness that makes it so sick. Am I bigoted against impious hateful religious fanatics? You betcha! whoa!!! now you've really gone and done it!!!! i will not put up with your use of rett butlers line in a discussion on bigotry!!! find another movie to quote from!!! The turn that this thread has taken energetically has me shaken... Not stirred. are you "shaken?" are you a martini? are you into james bond? - no i guess not he's not dead yet -
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Look up... is it a bird? is it a plane? |
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