The Bible is a picture of God created by humans who lived in the Mediterranean area. This picture of God is strikingly similar to all the other mythologies of the region including Greek mythology. They all asked for blood sacrifices as appeasements for various reasons. The Biblical picture of God is no exception.

In fact, the Biblical picture of God is founded on the idea of blood sacrifices to pay for sins, this is the very basis of the sacrificial lamb of God in Jesus Christ.

Now the Bible claims that God is all-wise, and unchanging. But then it goes on to tell stories that don't support these premises.

Some people claim that there is a devil named Satan who is competing for the souls that God creates. It has been said that Satan has a bet with God that he can turn all mankind against God. But wait! Didn't Satan already basically win that bet at the great flood? God seems to have cheated Satan out of his victory by flushing away all the souls that Satan won and starting the game anew with just a handful of righteous people.

God was clearly the loser in that first round. God lost all those souls that he had created.

So what happens next? Satan seems to once again get the upper hand in the game turning people against God supposedly. So God once again has to take action. This time he tries a new approach and sends his only begotten son to die for the sins of man. Evidently that didn't work either since sin seems to still be with us in the world even today, over 2000 years later!

The Bible even claims that Jesus said that very few will make it to heaven. Well, if that's true then the bulk of humanity is hell-bound.

What does this say about God?

This says that God is a big time loser! He loses the vast majority of souls that he creates!

The Bible clearly depicts God as being an big time loser, by its own proclamations!

Jesus said that only few will make it into heaven. That means that the vast majority will be lost.

The Biblical picture of God is a picture of a God who loses much more than it wins.

Why would anyone want to worship a God that is a proven loser by the very book that claims to be his word?

Also, what does this say about the Biblical God's ability to create souls?

If the vast major of souls that he creates are lost to Satan, then God isn't creating very good souls.

Maybe he should go back to the drawing board and wait until he has a better design?

This story is any more credible that the stories of Zeus, Apollo, and all the other ancient Mediterranean Gods. It was written by men. It was clearly not written by any all-wise supreme being capable of creating this entire universe. The god depicted in the Bible is thoroughly inept. As humans we would be nothing more than the victims of a totally inept creator!

The Bible even claims that we can't become righteous on our own power! Well duh? If that's true it can only be because we weren't given the proper attributes at the onset by our creator. Clearly not our fault.

The Bible holds us hostage as victims to a completely inept God, and then tries to make us feel guilty about it. It's the ultimate guilt trip. But it's such a farce. Even if the story was true we wouldn't be guilty of anything other than having been created by a completely inept God!

Why are so many people so bent on keeping this stupid myth alive? It's clearly the heinous work of men. We need to get past this absurdity and move on to something more positive.

I'm pretty sure the people of Soddom and Gommorah would agree with you

well it depend on which sect of Christianity you reference

Are there some that didn't have a flood?

Thats your way of seeing things Abra.

This creator shows us he is not a loser and he tells us what is going on before he comes back.

See if in the Psalm you see in the headlines all the time. How could this possibly be?


Ps 83:1-84:1

Do not keep silent, O Elohim!Do not hold Your peace,And do not be still, O Elohim! 2 For behold, Your enemies make a tumult;And those who hate You have lifted up their head. 3 They have taken crafty counsel against Your people,And consulted together against Your sheltered ones. 4 They have said, "Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation,That the name of Israel may be remembered no more."
5 For they have consulted together with one consent;They form a confederacy against You: 6 The tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites;Moab and the Hagrites; 7 Gebal, Ammon, and Amalek;Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre; 8 Assyria also has joined with them;They have helped the children of Lot.Selah
9 Deal with them as with Midian,As with Sisera,As with Jabin at the Brook Kishon, 10 Who perished at En Dor,Who became as refuse on the earth. 11 Make their nobles like Oreb and like Zeeb,Yes, all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna, 12 Who said, "Let us take for ourselvesThe pastures of Yahweh for a possession."
13 O my Elohim, make them like the whirling dust,Like the chaff before the wind! 14 As the fire burns the woods,And as the flame sets the mountains on fire, 15 So pursue them with Your tempest,And frighten them with Your storm. 16 Fill their faces with shame,That they may seek Your name, O Yahweh. 17 Let them be confounded and dismayed forever;Yes, let them be put to shame and perish, 18 That they may know that You, whose name alone is Yahweh,Are the Most High over all the earth.


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Thier are 10 antient nations in thier that surround Israel. Where have we heard

Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation,That the name of Israel may be remembered no more." Then the stubble Israel cry's out for Zech 14 comes through with this.


A loser maybe to you But For Me and My House We will Worship Yahweh......Shalom....Miles

By what standards do you measure a loser?

I think God has already more souls that he created, and Jesus confirms that this is the case.

So he comes back and rules over the few souls that remain.

If you want to call that a 'winner' be my guess.

Like I say, by what stanards do measure win and lose?

If a creator loses the vast majority of souls he creates, then he is a loser no matter what he might go on to rule over after that.

If you're thinking about God being an 'egotistical' winner then I see your point.

I was thinking on a higher moral plane.

In Rev 14 is the bride of 144000 saints. In Rev 15 is the great croud of Rev 7:11.

Thier are many that come back to life and a billion people will be spared or more who did not come against Yahshua. These are people who may be just ones who did not understand but are decent people. How many people that have lived on earth knowbody knows but 1/5 plus the saints is alot of people and then all the rest who have ever lived will be raised and be judged by thier works. I am sure many of those will be handed Grace/pardon and enter into eternal life...Shalom....Miles

there are some that feel that heaven is limited to a specific number

and eternity is to be lived on a perfect earth

What's a perfect earth for heavens sake?????

I started looking for blood sacrifices in the bible and there are plenty of instances when this occurs. Its funny the Pagans are always ruthlessly accused by the Christians as being the fierce proponents of animal and human sacrifice and Im sure it occurred to be fair. However, to be certain, the Christian god on many specific occasions asks that sacrifice be performed. God only wants male sacrifices. Only unblemished males are to be killed and offered to God. Females don't even make good burnt offerings. God gives detailed instructions for performing ritualistic animal sacrifices. Such bloody rituals must be important to God, judging from the number of times that he repeats their instructions. Indeed the entire first nine chapters of Leviticus can be summarized as follows: Get an animal, kill it, sprinkle the blood around, cut the dead animal into pieces, and burn it for a "sweet savor unto the Lord."

Leviticus 1

1:3 If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD.


1:4 And he shall put his hand upon the head of the burnt offering; and it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him.

1:5 And he shall kill the bullock before the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar that is by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

1:6 And he shall flay the burnt offering, and cut it into his pieces.

1:7 And the sons of Aaron the priest shall put fire upon the altar, and lay the wood in order upon the fire:

1:8 And the priests, Aaron's sons, shall lay the parts, the head, and the fat, in order upon the wood that is on the fire which is upon the altar:

1:9 But his inwards and his legs shall he wash in water: and the priest shall burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of "a sweet savour unto the LORD".

1:10 And if his offering be of the flocks, namely, of the sheep, or of the goats, for a burnt sacrifice; he shall bring it a male without blemish.

1:11 And he shall kill it on the side of the altar northward before the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall sprinkle his blood round about upon the altar.

1:12 And he shall cut it into his pieces, with his head and his fat: and the priest shall lay them in order on the wood that is on the fire which is upon the altar:

1:13 But he shall wash the inwards and the legs with water: and the priest shall bring it all, and burn it upon the altar: it is a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.

1:14 And if the burnt sacrifice for his offering to the LORD be of fowls, then he shall bring his offering of turtledoves, or of young pigeons.

1:15 And the priest shall bring it unto the altar, and wring off his head, and burn it on the altar; and the blood thereof shall be wrung out at the side of the altar:

1:16 And he shall pluck away his crop with his feathers, and cast it beside the altar on the east part, by the place of the ashes:

1:17 And he shall cleave it with the wings thereof, but shall not divide it asunder: and the priest shall burn it upon the altar, upon the wood that is upon the fire: it is a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.

Blah blah. There is more of course but you get the just. There will be a test on this tomorrow.

It's kind of: Do as I say and not do as I do, isn't it?

Morningsong...may I ask you please.

Do you feel right in the thinking that there is little old you... and then this big ole god fella... the be all and end all... and this supreme reward waiting for you AFTER your physical body dies.... for spending your entire life following his apparent word, as retold by men?


SO there is this clear division between you, the small, and god the big?

What the hell does that mean exactly? So heaven gets booked up to full capacity? What are you going on about?

Jess.....true Christians aren't followers of Jesus , just for some gain or reward.

Coming to Christ requires a heart change...a decision of the heart.

God looks upon the heart..and knows those whose hearts are truly turned towards Him.


And it is by truly believing and accepting Jesus , the One sent to save all mankind,that the GAP between God and man , is forever closed ..as we are once more brought back into fellowship with the Father(before sin separated us from God)..as it was in the beginning.

Hope this helps, Jess....

It sounds somewhat like a submissive/Dominant relationship. At least taken at face value.

Krimsa...there are no more sacrifices....

Jesus became the perfect sacrificial lamb, to end all sacrifices.

Jesus paid it all ..on that cross...

all we now have to do is believe and recieve what Jesus already did on the cross for us...the free gift of Grace Given....for all.

If there's nothing to be gained by following Jesus then why bother?


You know this really is silly MorningSong.

Jesus is supposed to be your SAVIOR!

He's supposed to be SAVING you from something remember?

It's all about the reward of being saved.

That's what it's all about MorningSong.

Right. Just like there is no more stoning.....I think you basically still are asking human sacrifice in the form of hopeless devotion to an egocentric, angry, militant, faceless, formless deity.

True Salvation is about believing and recieving with a true heart....not about something that is gained...

When salvation takes place, it only happens when one comes to God with no ulterior motive in mind or heart...

IF one comes to Jesus for what one can Gain .. one will never have a true born again experience...

It all has to come from the heart...

Abra...years ago, you came to Jesus , because you wanted to preach the gospel for Him....in other words, you had all ulterior motive....but there was NO REAL HEART CHANGE...see what I mean?

That is why nothing happend back then in your spirit, Abra......