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Topic: What if...
splendidlife's photo
Sat 09/27/08 11:10 AM
Edited by splendidlife on Sat 09/27/08 11:11 AM
What if.... the Bible has been a timeless, ever-morphing "play book" for humanity in which ALL words spoken by All mankind (ALL inspired for specific purpose) equal all of what's been said plus the constant continuation of words always being added?

Belushi's photo
Sat 09/27/08 11:14 AM
Can I just ask, is there a reason you picked the bible?
Would substituting the torah or qur'an be good for purpose too?

btw .. still disseminating the question ...

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Sat 09/27/08 11:18 AM
it's been changed by four kings, one of which notoriously hated women......makes you wonder. people have been saved by bullets in the battlefield by it, and then also saved by whisky flasks as well..........mmmmmmmmmm. go figure.

splendidlife's photo
Sat 09/27/08 11:20 AM

Can I just ask, is there a reason you picked the bible?
Would substituting the torah or qur'an be good for purpose too?

btw .. still disseminating the question ...


I was dove-tailing off of the AMAZING!!!! Thread.

Actually, ALL words in all prophetic teachings apply, ABSOLUTELY.

Plainome's photo
Sat 09/27/08 11:29 AM
This went right over my head...........

Is there a way u can clarify what you mean. Sorry, my brain is a bit sluggish lately.

Belushi's photo
Sat 09/27/08 11:30 AM
I have tried to "get" it .. but Im lost.

I truly dont understand the question, or the concept. slaphead

Sorry oops

Tommo's photo
Sat 09/27/08 11:39 AM

What if.... the Bible has been a timeless, ever-morphing "play book" for humanity in which ALL words spoken by All mankind (ALL inspired for specific purpose) equal all of what's been said plus the constant continuation of words always being added?


What if whoever wrote the bible wrote it as a joke

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Sat 09/27/08 11:42 AM
Edited by splendidlife on Sat 09/27/08 12:04 PM
Excerpt from another thread speaking of what inspired the words of the "Bible"




DB:
we are lucky and unlucky.....

blessed and cursed.......

are night and day........

the two halves of humanity......

the one evil, the other good.....

the other good, the one evil,

but the two halves meet, and time stands still....

and all the good evil has learned, half, the good see they do not.....

and all the good "good" has learned, half, the evil see they do not.......

and there becomes sharing, all bringing the each "gold coin" of wisdom, that embrace all other wisdom, and the world reigns in all knowing.......

yes, truly amazing.......

Belushi:
Just what does that mean, inspired?

The words were certainly written (and re-written) by human hands. But what reason do we have for supposing that it did not come from the mind of man? Is it a book that no person could have written? Why not?

The claim is made that the bible is the word of God because no one in their right mind would believe it otherwise.

The stamp of inspiration is made on the words so that they might be enforced. The bible is claimed to be true because it is the word of God. It is claimed to be the word of God because God says so.

Priests and ministers say it is so because of revelation. The basis of the revelation is the book itself which is claimed to be inspired. And so on, round and round in a circle. (It's called circular logic).

To prove that a book is inspired you must prove the existence of God. You must also prove that this God thinks, acts, has objects, ends and aims.

This is somewhat difficult. It is impossible to conceive of an infinite being. Having no conception of an infinite being, it is impossible to tell whether all the facts we know tend to prove or disprove the existence of such a being.

God is a guess. If the existence of God is admitted, how are we to prove that he inspired the writers of the Bible?

How can one man establish the inspiration of another?
How can an inspired man prove that he is inspired?
How can he know himself that he is inspired?

There is no way to prove inspiration, any more than one can prove he had a particular dream. The only evidence is the word of some man who couldn't possibly know anything on the subject.

What is inspiration? Did God use men as instruments? Did He cause them to write His thoughts? Did He take possession of their minds and destroy their wills?

Were these writers only partly controlled, so that their mistakes, their ignorance and their prejudices were mingled with the wisdom of God? What does all this mean? What is it all worth?

How are we to separate the mistakes of man from the thoughts of God?

Can we do this without being inspired ourselves? If the original writers were inspired, then the translators should have been, and so should be the men who tell us what the Bible means.

How is it possible for a human being to know that he is inspired by an infinite being? How can we be certain that it wasn't all in their heads?

But of one thing we may be certain: An inspired book should certainly excel all the books produced by uninspired men. It should, above all, be true, filled with wisdom and beauty -- perfect.

It is claimed that the bible is the inspired word of god. It's obvious that it is not... that it is only the work of uninspired, flawed humans.

Throughout history, some 40 "holy books" from different religions from all over the world have claimed to be "divinely inspired."

What makes any one of those books legitimately inspired, and the rest impostors?


If the sum of all words spoken by ALL of "mankind" equal text inspiration, then no one can be an impostor.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Sat 09/27/08 11:47 AM
do u mean like a 5th diminsion?

splendidlife's photo
Sat 09/27/08 12:03 PM

do u mean like a 5th diminsion?


Hmmmm...

Hadn't thought of it to that point, but...

Yes.

splendidlife's photo
Sat 09/27/08 12:31 PM

it's been changed by four kings, one of which notoriously hated women......makes you wonder. people have been saved by bullets in the battlefield by it, and then also saved by whisky flasks as well..........mmmmmmmmmm. go figure.


Here's to John Barleycorn!
drinker

splendidlife's photo
Sat 09/27/08 12:34 PM

Excerpt from another thread speaking of what inspired the words of the "Bible"




DB:
we are lucky and unlucky.....

blessed and cursed.......

are night and day........

the two halves of humanity......

the one evil, the other good.....

the other good, the one evil,

but the two halves meet, and time stands still....

and all the good evil has learned, half, the good see they do not.....

and all the good "good" has learned, half, the evil see they do not.......

and there becomes sharing, all bringing the each "gold coin" of wisdom, that embrace all other wisdom, and the world reigns in all knowing.......

yes, truly amazing.......

Belushi:
Just what does that mean, inspired?

The words were certainly written (and re-written) by human hands. But what reason do we have for supposing that it did not come from the mind of man? Is it a book that no person could have written? Why not?

The claim is made that the bible is the word of God because no one in their right mind would believe it otherwise.

The stamp of inspiration is made on the words so that they might be enforced. The bible is claimed to be true because it is the word of God. It is claimed to be the word of God because God says so.

Priests and ministers say it is so because of revelation. The basis of the revelation is the book itself which is claimed to be inspired. And so on, round and round in a circle. (It's called circular logic).

To prove that a book is inspired you must prove the existence of God. You must also prove that this God thinks, acts, has objects, ends and aims.

This is somewhat difficult. It is impossible to conceive of an infinite being. Having no conception of an infinite being, it is impossible to tell whether all the facts we know tend to prove or disprove the existence of such a being.

God is a guess. If the existence of God is admitted, how are we to prove that he inspired the writers of the Bible?

How can one man establish the inspiration of another?
How can an inspired man prove that he is inspired?
How can he know himself that he is inspired?

There is no way to prove inspiration, any more than one can prove he had a particular dream. The only evidence is the word of some man who couldn't possibly know anything on the subject.

What is inspiration? Did God use men as instruments? Did He cause them to write His thoughts? Did He take possession of their minds and destroy their wills?

Were these writers only partly controlled, so that their mistakes, their ignorance and their prejudices were mingled with the wisdom of God? What does all this mean? What is it all worth?

How are we to separate the mistakes of man from the thoughts of God?

Can we do this without being inspired ourselves? If the original writers were inspired, then the translators should have been, and so should be the men who tell us what the Bible means.

How is it possible for a human being to know that he is inspired by an infinite being? How can we be certain that it wasn't all in their heads?

But of one thing we may be certain: An inspired book should certainly excel all the books produced by uninspired men. It should, above all, be true, filled with wisdom and beauty -- perfect.

It is claimed that the bible is the inspired word of god. It's obvious that it is not... that it is only the work of uninspired, flawed humans.

Throughout history, some 40 "holy books" from different religions from all over the world have claimed to be "divinely inspired."

What makes any one of those books legitimately inspired, and the rest impostors?


If the sum of all words spoken by ALL of "mankind" equal text inspiration, then no one can be an impostor.


What I mean is...

We're ALL writing it, man!


splendidlife's photo
Sat 09/27/08 12:47 PM
Living Text is like SkyHook's Reel of Film recording humanity in a continuous stream. It continues to be written in ALL words (spoken, written, sung AND burped).

Jess642's photo
Sat 09/27/08 12:52 PM

What if.... the Bible has been a timeless, ever-morphing "play book" for humanity in which ALL words spoken by All mankind (ALL inspired for specific purpose) equal all of what's been said plus the constant continuation of words always being added?


The world as we know it would look similar, and yet different.

The teachings, thoughts, etc would be similar...

and the ending would be different, as it is never ending.

The message is the same... (in all inspired readings), the APPLICATION is the wild card bit.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Sat 09/27/08 01:04 PM
ever see the movie where thier was a parralell plant on the opisite side of the sun just like ours. but it was in the same orbit as we are. so we never see it and it is an exact copy of everything except it was backwards so to speak. like one landed hear he knew english like us but to read things he had to use a mirror as all letters and sentences were backwards.. good movie

Krimsa's photo
Sat 09/27/08 01:10 PM

it's been changed by four kings, one of which notoriously hated women......makes you wonder. people have been saved by bullets in the battlefield by it, and then also saved by whisky flasks as well..........mmmmmmmmmm. go figure.


You are right. I know King James of course and also that Roman emperor right? Constantine? Gees, no agenda there. laugh happy :tongue:

Milesoftheusa's photo
Sat 09/27/08 01:19 PM
Has anyone ever heard of the movie :The Quazar Tapes: One of the best I can not find it though. It starts androide carves his won face and gets away from the lab. It goes through all he has to learn and has a mission. skipp foward he turns a rock out in nomans land on a mountain and inside are Einstien, Galieo, Budda, every person who has impacted the world. It goes on but i will leave that alone. I think many of you would find it very interesting. I whish I could find the movie but I can not.. Anyone else heard of or seen The Quazar Tapes.. Blessings..Miles

Krimsa's photo
Sat 09/27/08 01:21 PM
Have not heard that title but you could look it up Im sure and post a link. Sounds interesting.

Krimsa's photo
Sat 09/27/08 01:42 PM
Edited by Krimsa on Sat 09/27/08 01:47 PM


What if.... the Bible has been a timeless, ever-morphing "play book" for humanity in which ALL words spoken by All mankind (ALL inspired for specific purpose) equal all of what's been said plus the constant continuation of words always being added?


What if whoever wrote the bible wrote it as a joke


Sections of it certainly seem that way. I think it was mainly written just to scare the crap out of people. Its like kids telling ghost stories around Halloween. Most all children have some kind of scary story they tell about a house in town where supposedly a murder took place, or the local cemetery that is haunted or whatever it is. The bible is comparable to an urban legend. happy These people did not have TV sets and they told stories and those that were literate, wrote them down.

splendidlife's photo
Sat 09/27/08 01:46 PM

ever see the movie where thier was a parralell plant on the opisite side of the sun just like ours. but it was in the same orbit as we are. so we never see it and it is an exact copy of everything except it was backwards so to speak. like one landed hear he knew english like us but to read things he had to use a mirror as all letters and sentences were backwards.. good movie



Sounds like something I'd enjoy

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