I evaluate information and expect all information to have some truth in it. I have thought about the concept of the famous "Fall" that religions talk about and wondered exactly what that might mean within my frame of reference, if indeed it means anything.

I will start with the premise that it means something, but not what you think it does or what religions preach it means.

In a vast conscious universe of vibration and frequency, where there are many star systems and planets and worlds and perhaps invisible ones we cannot see because of their frequency, one must begin by defining up and down.

In this earth world, up is toward the sky and down is toward the earth. Simple enough. But in a universe up and down has to do with frequency, not gravity, earth and sky.

Before the third density material worlds existed, I believe that all material worlds existed at a higher frequency and it is possible that those worlds were ideal worlds.

Perhaps it was never intended that the frequency would decrease and matter would condense as much as it has in this, the physical universe.

Therefore I think that the "Fall of Man" was actually a decent into a denser and slower frequency of consciousness.

When this happened, man lost many natural abilities and lost memory and awareness, reverting back to a creature consciousness.

From there, the ascent has been a very slow one but we are climbing to a higher frequency of consciousness.

I think that 2012 marks the true beginning of the ascension of human consciousness, although it is happening right now.

We are climbing out of the dense fog of physical reality towards a type of single awareness.

Of course I could be wrong. Any thoughts?

JB

I'm in 100% agreement with you. You could be wrong.

Well at least I am trying to climb out of the dense fog of physical reality towards a type of single awareness.

Its called Nirvana.

Or we could just take some drugs. LOL

interesting.....but may I ask for what purpose that man would fall into a denser and slower frequency of consciousness?

And for what purpose in the whole scheme of life would this happen to man?

And in 2012 what exactly is going to happen?


jb and abra

I think it was an accident of some kind, or the result of some kind of conflict, but the inhabitants decided they liked it.

No one knows what exactly is going to happen, but some think it will be some sort of singularity or Nirvana of consciousness.

Some call it an ascension of consciousness. It may be similar to expectations of the rapture.

David Wilcox said it will literally be "create your own reality time."

I am looking forward to it actually, good or bad.

What happens to our solar system itself, is that it reaches the galactic equator of the Milky way and proceeds to move to the other side of the galaxy, the lighter side.

Some say that time itself will cease to exist, or that time will have to be measured differently.

JB

In my view, the “I”, or “self”, is an entity that has no intrinsic dependency on space/time. (Defining it in terms of language is difficult. The best way I have found to define it is “that which decides”.)

These "self entities" decided to play a game. So they agreed upon some rules (e.g. “the laws of physics”, etc.) and began playing.

So in my view “The Fall of Man” was simply the choice to play that game.

That's an interesting question Debbie. I ask the same thing of the Biblical story.

For what purpose would Adam and Eve have purposefully and knowingly disobeyed their heavenly father?

And why should multitudes of generations after them have to pay for thier choices?

The idea that all humans would make precisely the same choice implies that this is the way humans were created and therefore they truly have no free will of choice after all. Which implies that they can't be held responsible for choices they have no choice in.

The very idea that all men are proclaimed to be sinners whether they chose to be or not certainly flies in the face of free choice. And if they have no free choice in the matter, then they can't be held responsible for what they have no control over.

Can you explain this "have your cake and eat it too" ideology of the religion you have chosen to worship?

Applaud the eloquence of your explanation Skyhook. I believe that this is indeed the only reasonable answer. All other answers beg future questions. This answer is complete and needs no further explanation.

I would not say they did it on purpose abra. I would say that satan convinced them of such therefore adding sin to the equation. Remember before that they were not ashamed to be naked, sin brought on shame.

The multitudes and generations only have to pay if they don't accept Christ as Lord and Savior do so and the generational curse is broken. Another example. In my family it was alcohol for both sides of the family. But when I found the Lord it was broken and now from this generation (mine) on it is no longer an issue.

Every human being giving the God given gift of free will can choose. I chose to break this cycle in my family. And because I had to choice and took the responsibility in breaking this generational curse, which went back a long long long way. It took the lives of all my family including, mother, father, sister, brother. But guess what NOT ME. Sober for 17 years and what got me their. God, He showed me and he saved my sorry arce. And this is yet another reason that I feel as strongly as I do about God.

We all have a sin nature because of Adam and Eve. But this in no way means that it can not be broken and that I did not see exactly through the Lord where my responsibility was.

We all have the control...the hard part is giving that control over to the Lord. It's to hard for every human being to give over every aspect of their life to the Lord. For me not so but for most yes.

I have used the term "You Can't have you cake and eat it too." For me when I use this term it just means that you can't live your life as "You" see fit and do whatever you wish. God clearly gave us boundries and if you step outside those then you will eventually pay the consequences.

It's hard for me to comprehend I think this and I think that. I would rather live my life in the I know what is real and not real. And yes before you even say anything. I for me, myself, and I. know he is real. So why would I give my life to I thinks and this may happen. And inhabitants decided they liked it....Is that us? or aliens? or to you are we all aliens?

Also to me when the rapture happens Oh man oh man there is going t be no questions what is going on. Which I guess I look forward to also. Although part of me thinks that there are so many people to reach and minister to. And was not time a man thing to begin with?

I believe tons of things are going to happen in the next few years, that could either mean a whole lot to the world we know today, or nothing at all to the world we will know tomorrow. When there is a fall, it allows those who have fallen, to climb back up, and arise as new.

new technology, questioned belief systems and life origins, lies uncovered, and very important discoveries that aren't really discoveries, just unveiling of items found that before were not known about. I think towards that date, it will all matter, or not matter at all. Life will either continue going on as it is, or a new sense of the word life shall come into existence, begging us to leave our luggage behind, and join the world.

The inhabitants:
My theory:
In the beginning,(of the fall) there were the creators. I don't know what their nature was; nor do I know how to define what is "Human" and what is "alien" at this point in the vast universes of God, there may not have been any true "humans" as we know them today.

The creators also "fell" to a lower density and their consciousness fell and they were not humans as we know them today, although some of them looked very human.

They existed in the Galaxy a long long time before "humans" (as we know them today) were introduced (or evolved) from engineered components.

Time:

No, "time" is not a "man" thing. Time is a result of the nature of matter becoming dense (as it is today,) and time is tracked by the movement of these dense bodies (planets and stars) through warped space.

Because of the slower (or lower) frequency of things, and because they were slower than the speed of light, space became somewhat warped and everything became dense and slower in movement, but just to the observers within this space time.

So "time" is a result of the fall itself to a lower frequency.

But the speed of time is only measurable if you have something to compare it with. If you compare it with eternal Now, it can seem like the blink of an eye.

Just off the top of my head..

I see this view as completely possible and add to it that this game has curriculum. Each being comes to this realm to experience the physical (like school). In order to fully experience the physical, each being must forget the absolute vastness and wholeness of their being. Thus, they "fall" into an amnesiac-like state in which memory of the higher realm is removed from the picture. A complete experience for any being would include the physical / human experience. As if we came here to forget, yet seek to remember

Well put.

I see that "seeking to remember" as being the purpose of the game. That is, "remembering something we forgot" could be likened to "scoring a point" and "remembering all that we forgot" = "winning the game".

That illustrates why I believe that "free will", as put forth by the Judeo-Christion faiths, is not really "free". It is VERY limited. Essentially saying: "I will only allow you two things to choose from, and NOT choosing is equivalent to choosing #2"

For Feralcat,

I have never understood the term "You can't have your cake and eat it too.." How does that make any sense. If I have a cake, I fully intend to eat it.

Also, you actually can do whatever you wish. The only boundaries are the ones we impose upon ourselves. Yes, there are alway consequences. It is called the law of cause and effect. It is the law of attraction. Those are the consequences. The consequences are the results of your thoughts and your actions.

All will is free. The will is the power of self direction. You either have a weak will or a strong will, but everyone has will. It like your soul, it is who you truly are. The will is the true self and it is what directs you. The will is the observer and the one who directs.

JB

Judeo-Christian faiths will reluctantly acknowledge that people have what we call "free will" but in truth, they are really uncomfortable with that philosophy because the religion has so many "commandments."

If we really do have "free will" then they can't have any commandments. They should change the name for them to the 10 suggestions. They laugh at me when I say this but I am not joking. I am very serious.

If we are truly free, there can be no commandments, only suggestions.

Therefore, why do Christians have commandments? It is because they are no longer "free." They are no longer "free" because they made that choice to believe in Jesus and they joined that group of people who now are required to fall under the authority of the Church and the Bible and all the commandments therein.

The Christian God did not give the people "free will."

The Will is innate and it comes from the Prime source of all things and it lives in all things and gives life to all things. The Will is the soul. It is the eye of prime source itself living within the individual.

JB

The Mayans believed "All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again."


This is the true meaning of the 2012 prophecy.

A Deja Vu would be like bonus points tossed out into the mix to spark possible connections.