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Topic: I'm just asking for clarification....
Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sun 08/31/08 04:33 PM
Wait are you sure they aren’t mentioned JB? Better be careful. It will start an entirely new debate.

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Sun 08/31/08 04:39 PM
You are not refused entrance into heaven because of ignorance - but because of rebellion. You make my own points for me Eljay. To not believe in the Bible is not rebellion. Not believing in something is not rebellion. That's absurd. If you don't believe it then you just don't believe it. In order to rebel you'd have to believe that it's true and then refuse to obey it. But to not believe that it's true is not rebellion. This is where Christians really seem to lose it. It makes no sense to equate disbelief with rebellion. They aren't even close to being the same thing.

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Sun 08/31/08 04:41 PM
Out of my mind.........Back in five minutes.

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Sun 08/31/08 04:43 PM
Out of my mind.........Back in five minutes. Take your time, we can't tell the difference anyway.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sun 08/31/08 04:49 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 08/31/08 04:50 PM
You are not refused entrance into heaven because of ignorance - but because of rebellion. You make my own points for me Eljay. To not believe in the Bible is not rebellion. Not believing in something is not rebellion. That's absurd. If you don't believe it then you just don't believe it. In order to rebel you'd have to believe that it's true and then refuse to obey it. But to not believe that it's true is not rebellion. This is where Christians really seem to lose it. It makes no sense to equate disbelief with rebellion. They aren't even close to being the same thing. ABSOLUTELY!! I rebelled against SANTA CLAUSE, THE EASTER BUNNY, THE TOOTH FAIRY. I'm really a rebellious person. I rebel against Unicorns. JB Come one come all and join the rebellion. Put an end to the myths that demand we believe in them.

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Sun 08/31/08 04:50 PM
Out of my mind.........Back in five minutes. Take your time, we can't tell the difference anyway. Reality is a crutch for people who can’t handle drugs.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sun 08/31/08 04:54 PM
You are not refused entrance into heaven because of ignorance - but because of rebellion. You make my own points for me Eljay. To not believe in the Bible is not rebellion. Not believing in something is not rebellion. That's absurd. If you don't believe it then you just don't believe it. In order to rebel you'd have to believe that it's true and then refuse to obey it. But to not believe that it's true is not rebellion. This is where Christians really seem to lose it. It makes no sense to equate disbelief with rebellion. They aren't even close to being the same thing. There seems to be a substantial amount of vested interest placed on people finding and "accepting" Jesus in some respect. Why should it cause so much anxiety and worry if someone chooses to not believe or believe in something else? I can speculate as to the reasons for this. Why even in modern day it is to be enforced. I’m sure it hearkens back to an earlier time where people either got on board or faced some heavy consequences.

CircuitRider Joined Fri 07/04/08 Posts: 2065	Sun 08/31/08 04:55 PM
Those who refuse Christ, will be judged according to their Good vs Evil. Those who accept and then FOLLOW Him, will have Him as their Advocate at The Final Judgement.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sun 08/31/08 04:57 PM
Does that mean I need to pay him for representing me in court?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sun 08/31/08 04:58 PM
Follow the path of love and the higher self and you will find eternal life and freedom. Religions don't matter. JB

Lily0923 Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 20429	Sun 08/31/08 05:03 PM
Those who refuse Christ, will be judged according to their Good vs Evil. Those who accept and then FOLLOW Him, will have Him as their Advocate at The Final Judgement. Great, that does not address the topic at all...but thanks for your imput.

Lily0923 Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 20429	Sun 08/31/08 05:04 PM
You are not refused entrance into heaven because of ignorance - but because of rebellion. You make my own points for me Eljay. To not believe in the Bible is not rebellion. Not believing in something is not rebellion. That's absurd. If you don't believe it then you just don't believe it. In order to rebel you'd have to believe that it's true and then refuse to obey it. But to not believe that it's true is not rebellion. This is where Christians really seem to lose it. It makes no sense to equate disbelief with rebellion. They aren't even close to being the same thing. There seems to be a substantial amount of vested interest placed on people finding and "accepting" Jesus in some respect. Why should it cause so much anxiety and worry if someone chooses to not believe or believe in something else? I can speculate as to the reasons for this. Why even in modern day it is to be enforced. I’m sure it hearkens back to an earlier time where people either got on board or faced some heavy consequences. when you put it like that I'm wondering if it's an Amway thing?

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Sun 08/31/08 05:13 PM
Would I be cooler if I hated Jesus?

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Sun 08/31/08 05:14 PM
Those who refuse Christ, will be judged according to their Good vs Evil. Those who accept and then FOLLOW Him, will have Him as their Advocate at The Final Judgement. I agree that even Jesus said this. He said that he did not come for the righteous, he came for the sinners. Some of us are more than willing to be judged according to our own actions. Those who feel they're going to be needing a lawyer better sign up with Jesus whilst he's still offering pro bono services.

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Sun 08/31/08 05:15 PM
Would I be cooler if I hated Jesus? I personally don't think it's cool to hate anyone.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sun 08/31/08 05:16 PM Edited by Krimsa on Sun 08/31/08 05:18 PM
I don’t hate Jesus. I probably would have had no reason to hate him then either. He was a carpenter by trade, probably marrying material. I would have been on that. At least friendly. He seemed like a brilliant man in all honesty and quite persuasive. Supposedly he had children which I don’t find hard to believe at all. He was dating Mary Madelyn I think?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sun 08/31/08 05:16 PM
Would I be cooler if I hated Jesus? Mirror, you can't please everyone all the time. You can't hate a fictional character either. If you believe in Jesus then you should probably love him. But how can you love someone you have never met who does not even exist? JB

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sun 08/31/08 05:19 PM
I agree that even Jesus said this. He said that he did not come for the righteous, he came for the sinners. Perhaps they don't want the righteous? Maybe they are collecting all the bad guys? For what reason I wonder? JB

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Sun 08/31/08 05:20 PM
So is it cooler to bash Christ or not?? Which is better?

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sun 08/31/08 05:23 PM
I don’t think anyone is intentionally being mean or "bashing" mirror. We are debating and sometimes it gets a little rocky. On both sides of the issue. You might be reading too much in or taking it personally in some respect.