yes but like i say he is bound by his own omni character in his own existence so if he is "bound" then he does not have infinite free will. meaning he can't go against his own character. again meaning he cant or wouldn't make a rock so big he couldn't lift it. it would be a flaw of his character he's bound by. thus lack of total free will.

"Krimsa" you are forgetting one thing ...we were actually agreeing in ever post..but since you were under the impression that I was insinuating that God's consciousness controlled the big bang you therefore started arguing against me when in fact I was agreeing with you everything you were saying ..so ..er..doesn't that makes you the troll and me innocent as a new born baby

therefore you shalled by crowned ..."Krimsa" queen of the troll people

Alright. But in fact I never called you a troll, I said, you are pushing it. There is a distinction there that you don't seem quite capable of making. Then once you had decided I had insulted you in some respect, you latched onto that and became hostile so no, you are far from innocent here.

Besides if that was truly the case and you have been in agreement with me this entire time when I brought up the Big Bang and that I didn't feel there needed to be a "grand Creatrix" involved with the equation at all, you didn't speak up then. No sir. You instead prompted me to explain to you how something could become molten or hot without "knowledge".

but the same reason a God wouldn't make a rock so heavy that he can't lift because it would go against his character then wouldn't it go against a God's character to have a need to create lesser things then himself ..because what would be the point to make either unless there exist some "need" which would bring up the question "why would a God have a need for anything"

"Krimsa"..I did speak up because if you notice I responded to that post about the "grand creatrix" by saying that knowledge doesn't take consciousness..which means I was agreeing with you but instead of listening you closed your mind and then launch an attack against me that was so devastating that it can only be measure on a biblical scale

the attack was so horrid that it I never been though anything like before and my feeling was totally crushed I never imagine one person could committ such an atrocity against another my whole being was in shutdown and I then knew I have to go on the Jerry springer show...oops I meant the Oprah or Dr. Phil show to get some form of mental contentent .... "Krimsa" where were your compassion

Funches

"Krimsa" you still haven't explain how the big bang could take place without knowledge being exchanged or retained by the components involved in creating the bang

Krimsa

Yes I have. I have repeatedly stated I do not accept the notion that a ":Grand Creatrix" need be involved as that seems to be the only notion being addressed in the thread thus far. I feel that the components that would have created the Big Bang would not have required your notion of "knowledge" That in my mind is an ego driven assertion and seems to imply that something has to have a concept of knowledge which in this case, would not have happened because humans were still billions of years into the future and were not in existence.

It requires "a letting go" of fantasy and illusion or agenda driven premise.

Okay so that's only the FIRST time you asked me to explain how the interactions could have potentially taken place without "knowledge" existing. Remember you are also ONLY permitting that we accept YOUR definition of knowledge. Your are forcing us to work within your own confines as it relates to the term. That was what Tribo was complaining about as far as I could see. So Im not sure how that would constitute you agreeing with me? However, now you are claiming that you are for whatever reason....

And then, we have where I supposedly "attacked you in biblical proportion". I managed to do this ALL with one little sentence.

"Im not technically accusing you of being a troll but you are clearly NOT legitimizing anyone else's opinion except your own."-Krimsa

if you read back you will notice that "Tribo" ask me for a definition of what knowledge is ...and I never said that we have to agree to my definition of knowledge but "Tribo" cut and paste a page out of the dictionary and demanded that we follow it and I kept asking him for his own definition of knowledge and not a "google cut and paste" version but so far he has refuse to give one

so it is "Tribo" that is trying to say that a grand creatrix aka God controlled the big bang and you are being so close-minded against me that you are agreeing with everything he says which means you are contradicting yourself and can't see the forest because the trees are in the way

but anyway "Krimsa" ..it doesn't matter what the definition of knowledge is...the question ask if knowledge "whatever it is" existed before God consciousness did ..



"Krimsa" didn't you notice I included "The Jerry Springer Show" in that little senerio ..which means it was a joke ... Geez woman lighten up

Alright lets just stop this. Peace brother. Get back on topic. Im moving onto another thread. Im actually more interested in anthropogenesis and human evolution. These philosophical ones, though I know some enjoy them, are not really my strong point. I can explain to you "how the car runs" but I will leave the "why it runs" up to you. Good luck.