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Topic: what does Obama believe?
singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Tue 09/02/08 06:04 AM
Its always the same scenario with the pro-abortion people. Health issue, rape and incest or Big, Bad men trying to take away your rights. Spare me these hypothetical situations and call it like it is. Unprotected sex and using abortion as a form of birth control. Guess what. A baby can't live outside the body without being fed either. Life starts as soon as the sperm enters through the egg wall. Can you prove me wrong? If you can't, then you must treat the matter as being true. When does a conscience enter or form in a fetus? Adopt? Why should I when I am already paying for it in welfare and other programs which you know are out there. You're assuming that every woman who has had/will have an abortion is doing it as a form of birth control? No other factors?

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Tue 09/02/08 06:15 AM
Goodness grief. I actually missed that statement. That's ridiculous. For one thing abortion is expensive and it only becomes more expensive the later term it is performed. Not all insurance carriers cover it either. Thats a nonsensical assertion. I thank you for making the pro-choice argument easier though.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Tue 09/02/08 06:17 AM
Seriously. Why would someone even think that?

catwoman96 Joined Thu 08/14/08 Posts: 5848	Tue 09/02/08 06:30 AM
why would somebody think killing an unborn baby was okay?? idk, it blows my mind

1956deluxe Joined Thu 12/06/07 Posts: 8559	Tue 09/02/08 06:37 AM
why would somebody think killing an unborn baby was okay?? idk, it blows my mind I don't know but a 2007 Gallup poll reflected that Americans are split about 50/50 on this issue.....that's a lot of people on either side. I think it also means this argument will go on forever.

catwoman96 Joined Thu 08/14/08 Posts: 5848	Tue 09/02/08 06:47 AM
would be interesting to know the percentage of abortions preformed in other countries. ans the actual number of abortions preformed due to rape or incest. actually, im guessing the good ole US probably wins on any poll. and that most frequently abortions are preformed soley because the woman does not want to be a mother at that time. jeesh, no wonder people hate us.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Tue 09/02/08 07:01 AM
This is what I found after a quick google seach: http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/wrjp333pd.html

catwoman96 Joined Thu 08/14/08 Posts: 5848	Tue 09/02/08 07:10 AM
When it comes to Americans' specific attitudes about the legality of abortion, public opinion is somewhat more conservative than its attachment to these labels would suggest. Nearly 6 in 10 Americans (58%) think abortion should either be limited to only a few circumstances or illegal in all circumstances. Just 4 in 10 (41%) think it should be legal in all or most circumstances. http://archive.redstate.com/stories/culture/life_issues/abortion_polls_show_shift_toward_pro_lifers

catwoman96 Joined Thu 08/14/08 Posts: 5848	Tue 09/02/08 07:11 AM
note, not that I belive ientierly on polls. people lie and some stats are unreliable.. ***but hey glad to know it looks like russia and other countries beats us by a margin. gives me hope for our future

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Tue 09/02/08 07:36 AM Edited by MirrorMirror on Tue 09/02/08 07:54 AM
whoot whoot

franshade Joined Tue 07/24/07 Posts: 24704	Tue 09/02/08 07:39 AM
why would somebody think killing an unborn baby was okay?? idk, it blows my mind I don't know but a 2007 Gallup poll reflected that Americans are split about 50/50 on this issue.....that's a lot of people on either side. I think it also means this argument will go on forever. I agree this argument/discussion is never ending, all open to interpretation.

1956deluxe Joined Thu 12/06/07 Posts: 8559	Tue 09/02/08 07:46 AM
When it comes to Americans' specific attitudes about the legality of abortion, public opinion is somewhat more conservative than its attachment to these labels would suggest. Nearly 6 in 10 Americans (58%) think abortion should either be limited to only a few circumstances or illegal in all circumstances. Just 4 in 10 (41%) think it should be legal in all or most circumstances. http://archive.redstate.com/stories/culture/life_issues/abortion_polls_show_shift_toward_pro_lifers So are you suggesting that since a majority are leaning Pro Life, that's the way it should be for everyone? Democracy has to be something more than 2 wolves and a sheep sitting down and voting on what's for dinner.

catwoman96 Joined Thu 08/14/08 Posts: 5848	Tue 09/02/08 08:05 AM Edited by catwoman96 on Tue 09/02/08 08:08 AM
When it comes to Americans' specific attitudes about the legality of abortion, public opinion is somewhat more conservative than its attachment to these labels would suggest. Nearly 6 in 10 Americans (58%) think abortion should either be limited to only a few circumstances or illegal in all circumstances. Just 4 in 10 (41%) think it should be legal in all or most circumstances. http://archive.redstate.com/stories/culture/life_issues/abortion_polls_show_shift_toward_pro_lifers So are you suggesting that since a majority are leaning Pro Life, that's the way it should be for everyone? Democracy has to be something more than 2 wolves and a sheep sitting down and voting on what's for dinner. YUP I think abortion should be considered a crime nowadays there are many other ways to prevent pregnancy.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Tue 09/02/08 08:21 AM Edited by Krimsa on Tue 09/02/08 08:22 AM
why would somebody think killing an unborn baby was okay?? idk, it blows my mind I don't know but a 2007 Gallup poll reflected that Americans are split about 50/50 on this issue.....that's a lot of people on either side. I think it also means this argument will go on forever. There are also several variables. They tend to word the questions like when would you permit an abortion? A. In the case of Rape B. In the case of Incest C. A failure of birth control D. Never So you need to take that into account I would imagine.

catwoman96 Joined Thu 08/14/08 Posts: 5848	Tue 09/02/08 08:29 AM
a and b are somewhat acceptable. as the woman did not choose to have sex. and well, in case of either...rape is a crime and should be reported immediately. and the morning after pill could be given in less than 72 hrs. chances of becoming pregnant are therby decreased.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Tue 09/02/08 08:34 AM
a and b are somewhat acceptable. as the woman did not choose to have sex. and well, in case of either...rape is a crime and should be reported immediately. and the morning after pill could be given in less than 72 hrs. chances of becoming pregnant are therby decreased. Well at least you are willing to meet halfway on some of these issues. There are those who reject ALL circumstances and feel a woman should be forced to carry to term and deliver. Outrageous in my opinion.

voileazur Joined Sun 03/11/07 Posts: 2140	Tue 09/02/08 08:54 AM Edited by voileazur on Tue 09/02/08 08:59 AM
Introduction question from 'femalefriend': What does Obama believe? OP's revealed agenda!!! Does Obama believe in killing unborn babies? PURE BAD FAITH!!! Can't expect to have a quality debate, with such a dishonest, loaded, and moralisticaly misleading question. It would be interesting to start negociating the hosts OP's before participating in some of these future threads. While anyone has the right to post what they wish, as long as it conforms to the rules of this forums, that alone doesn't constitute a guarentee for a minimum 'good faith' and objectivity required for a good debate on any question. Let's question OP's in bad faith before automatically participating in them. If the OP is contaminated in 'bad faith', don't expect anything enlightening to come from it. Dress a pig into a 'TUX' all you want, ... IT'S STILL A PIG!!!

quiet_2008 Joined Sat 08/30/08 Posts: 11138	Tue 09/02/08 08:57 AM
Can't expect to have a quality debate, with such a dishonest, loaded, and moralisticaly misleading question. I'v already figured out that there is no debate or discussion on this channel. Just a lot of dirt slinging.

voileazur Joined Sun 03/11/07 Posts: 2140	Tue 09/02/08 09:03 AM
Can't expect to have a quality debate, with such a dishonest, loaded, and moralisticaly misleading question. I'v already figured out that there is no debate or discussion on this channel. Just a lot of dirt slinging. True enough 'quiet'!!! I've come to a similar conclusion long ago. But don't you think that confronting some of these hosts, acting in pure bad faith, might help change the end result? While it won't turn every thread into a great debate, it might provide a few good ones, as opposed to none!!!

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Tue 09/02/08 09:07 AM
Can't expect to have a quality debate, with such a dishonest, loaded, and moralisticaly misleading question. I'v already figured out that there is no debate or discussion on this channel. Just a lot of dirt slinging. True enough 'quiet'!!! I've come to a similar conclusion long ago. But don't you think that confronting some of these hosts, acting in pure bad faith, might help change the end result? While it won't turn every thread into a great debate, it might provide a few good ones, as opposed to none!!! So, what would turn it into a good debate?