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You're looking at it from the "value" perspective of what is said. The streets of Heaven is made of gold because it is a precious beautiful metal, thus why it has great value on this Earth to us humans. But monetarily speaking, it has absolutely no value to God. I agree with this, but still, god does not need money to buy gold. If he wants some gold, he creates some. If he wants to. he can also buy it with cash that the flock donates into the plate. he does whatever he wants, and he has many options. For him gold contains indeed only as much value for him as its inherent beauty holds inherently. When a supply is infinite, and the economy law of "elasticity of supply and price" applies, then both the fiscal value and the price are accrued at PV=0, or present value at zero, and the bifurcation of the accelerated appreciation does not push interest rates up at all. I hope this is now clear and we can advance. |
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the government has the power to print money anytime and in any quantity it choose to do so, but yet amazingly it's trillions of dollars in debt ....how is that even possible?
if the streets of Heaven were to be paved with something that has absolutely no value to God...it would be paved with non-believers and sinners, not Gold God was going to toss all of them into the lake of fire anyway, I guess he don't "believe in" recycling |
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Edited by
Hikerjohn
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Wed 09/12/12 07:54 AM
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BINGO... i hit a NERVE!!  All pretty silly. This guy was just trying to stir the pot which he did a good job. Churches exist as the people in them intend. And the risk of greed is there for everyone. Why would you think a church body would be any different? This was more about the OPs love of what Cesar gave him than the churches greed. Try not to feed the trolls is my thought. |
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the government has the power to print money anytime and in any quantity it choose to do so, but yet amazingly it's trillions of dollars in debt ....how is that even possible? if the streets of Heaven were to be paved with something that has absolutely no value to God...it would be paved with non-believers and sinners, not Gold God was going to toss all of them into the lake of fire anyway, I guess he don't "believe in" recycling I like your post. It opens a strong topic. Why would God value gold? He values in my opinion the purity of gold. He values his whole creation. It's us people who value some things more than others for the wrong reasons And some value gold and that silly green paper more than even there families. So when He describes our deeds being tested and the ones done for selfish reasons will be burned to ash and deeds done because they were the right thing to do would be purified into gold, he is referring to the value of the properties of our deeds and the property of gold and ash. Ash has very little value. What value does selfish deeds have outside of yourself? None. Deeds turned to ash. God doesn't need your money or your gold. He needs you to understand the self destructive nature of the love of money. If God is who He says He is, then doesn't everything you have really belong to him anyway? Giving time and money and your heart to others has value to others and to him. Deeds pure as gold. You don't even have to believe in a God to understand this formula. Go bless someone today instead of yourself and see what it does for you. |
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didn't God supposedly create everything pure? so why place the purity or Gold above the purity or water or above the purity of everything else in creation...isn't God supposedly the only thing that is pure?
you're using gold as a metaphor, the bible does not resort to this, the bible refers to Gold as being an object or substance Genesis 2:11 states nothing about Gold being pure, it's states that Gold was good why was Gold deem good or pure since there were ony one man in creation was Adam going to use the gold for food and eat it was Adam going to build some semi-conductors was Adam going to make himself some bling bling this is why there were no need to even mention Gold in Genesis, unless to lay the foundation for the creation of the root of evil...money |
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The scriptures refer to gold in many ways throughout the old and the new testament. Sometimes by its value, sometimes by its properties and sometimes by it potential evil draw to covet.
We are to purify our hearts like fire does to gold. (actually allow God to purify). The longer you leave the goldtim the more the contaminates are removed. We are to value God, our family, friends, enemies and even ourselves more Than money and gold. We are to be wise with the gold and money that is put in our care. Regarding purity. You are right the lord made everything pure and right and in harmony. And we as men have pulled ourselves out of harmony and contaminated the world and it's purity. So its us who need to change and grow and be cleansed and purified by fire and trial. Learning to persevere in the face of temptation so that we come out of the furnace Like gold does. Clean, solid, firm, bright. Worthy. |
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points to ponder:
money is not the root of evil the LOVE of money ( a form of 'coveting') is the root Water, unlike Gold, covers the majority of the earth (is not rare) and it would be odd as a mortal to envision a 'street paved' with water...... Since the verse describes RIVERS , it was talking about primarily water, so IM also not sure if gold was placed 'above' water The verse referenced says the specific Gold (of THAT land) was good,,,, |
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The scriptures refer to gold in many ways throughout the old and the new testament. Sometimes by its value, sometimes by its properties and sometimes by it potential evil draw to covet. We are to purify our hearts like fire does to gold. (actually allow God to purify). The longer you leave the goldtim the more the contaminates are removed. We are to value God, our family, friends, enemies and even ourselves more Than money and gold. We are to be wise with the gold and money that is put in our care. Regarding purity. You are right the lord made everything pure and right and in harmony. And we as men have pulled ourselves out of harmony and contaminated the world and it's purity. So its us who need to change and grow and be cleansed and purified by fire and trial. Learning to persevere in the face of temptation so that we come out of the furnace Like gold does. Clean, solid, firm, bright. Worthy. I didn't see anything in Genesis 2:11 about how Gold is purification ...all it said about Gold was that it was Good ..it also said that trees growing fruit was good fruit you can eat...but you have yet to explain why Gold as a substance had the need to be mention in Genesis 2:11 if it intentions was not to place a monetary value on it can you explain this without referring to Gold as a metaphor? |
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points to ponder: money is not the root of evil the LOVE of money ( a form of 'coveting') is the root MsHarmony...here's something else to ponder under your definition anyone with a bank account would be loving and coveting money so..er...do you have a bank account? |
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points to ponder: money is not the root of evil the LOVE of money ( a form of 'coveting') is the root MsHarmony...here's something else to ponder under your definition anyone with a bank account would be loving and coveting money so..er...do you have a bank account? your leaps are truly olympian if I Have food in my pantry, is that equal to 'loving' and 'coveting' food as well? |
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Got it. Missed your intent
For me it's simple gold has value just like trees and rocks. A desert isn't a great place to attempt to live. But a land flowing with milk and hong also has materials for plows and homes. Gold was one of the metals both presious and hard. When the bible refered to us seeing God through a mirror dimly, they didn't have mirrors like we have today. The most common and best mirror of the day was made of polished copper. A do Poor mirror in those days would probsbly be seeing your reflection in an old painted car at best. So the land having gold was good. It could also be trained for food. That's my view of that verse. Did I stay on task? Hiking. I won't be posting back for 3 hours. |
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Edited by
funches
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Wed 09/12/12 01:02 PM
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points to ponder: money is not the root of evil the LOVE of money ( a form of 'coveting') is the root MsHarmony...here's something else to ponder under your definition anyone with a bank account would be loving and coveting money so..er...do you have a bank account? your leaps are truly olympian if I Have food in my pantry, is that equal to 'loving' and 'coveting' food as well? depends on how much food it is in your pantry, your pantry may be the size of Sam's Club so yes or no MsHarmony...do you love money so much that you covet it in a bank account and the banks use it to get Gold? |
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Water, unlike Gold, covers the majority of the earth (is not rare) yep MsHarmony..it's nothing like sitting down on a hot day with an ice cold glass of Seawater ...makes you ponder why anyone would ever die of thirst on aafter and it would be odd as a mortal to envision a 'street paved' with water...... it's even oddier that a mortal would believe that spirits floating around in heaven would need streets at all Since the verse describes RIVERS , it was talking about primarily water, so IM also not sure if gold was placed 'above' water well the bible said that Gold was good, did it say that rivers were good too?...hense the phrase.."cry me a river" The verse referenced says the specific Gold (of THAT land) was good,,,, why would it make a different if the Gold in Genesis 2:11 was good or not? ....was it going to be used to help pave the streets in Heaven? |
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Got it. Missed your intent For me it's simple gold has value just like trees and rocks. A desert isn't a great place to attempt to live. But a land flowing with milk and hong also has materials for plows and homes. Gold was one of the metals both presious and hard. When the bible refered to us seeing God through a mirror dimly, they didn't have mirrors like we have today. The most common and best mirror of the day was made of polished copper. A do Poor mirror in those days would probsbly be seeing your reflection in an old painted car at best. So the land having gold was good. It could also be trained for food. That's my view of that verse. Did I stay on task? Hiking. I won't be posting back for 3 hours. according to you only land with Gold on it will be good enough to train to grow food ....maybe that explains why the garden of eden just popped up...it was because of the Gold and not because of God all the farmers that lost their farms should having been digging for Gold instead of growing crops this is why I'm not sure your explanation explains why Gold was mention in Genesis 2:11 if not for it monetary value to God |
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Water, unlike Gold, covers the majority of the earth (is not rare) yep MsHarmony..it's nothing like sitting down on a hot day with an ice cold glass of Seawater ...makes you ponder why anyone would ever die of thirst on aafter and it would be odd as a mortal to envision a 'street paved' with water...... it's even oddier that a mortal would believe that spirits floating around in heaven would need streets at all Since the verse describes RIVERS , it was talking about primarily water, so IM also not sure if gold was placed 'above' water well the bible said that Gold was good, did it say that rivers were good too?...hense the phrase.."cry me a river" The verse referenced says the specific Gold (of THAT land) was good,,,, why would it make a different if the Gold in Genesis 2:11 was good or not? ....was it going to be used to help pave the streets in Heaven? perhaps they will make a 'bible for dummies' someday, written with all possible adjectives to describe all referenced nouns till then, some can understand water being 'good' without having to have it spelled out specifically everything God made in the time of Adam was GOOD, including the gold AND the LIGHT and EVERYTHING else, although the bible didnt repeat the adjective for EVERY instance |
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points to ponder: money is not the root of evil the LOVE of money ( a form of 'coveting') is the root MsHarmony...here's something else to ponder under your definition anyone with a bank account would be loving and coveting money so..er...do you have a bank account? your leaps are truly olympian if I Have food in my pantry, is that equal to 'loving' and 'coveting' food as well? depends on how much food it is in your pantry, your pantry may be the size of Sam's Club so yes or no MsHarmony...do you love money so much that you covet it in a bank account and the banks use it to get Gold? your logic is inconsistent the issue would have nothing to do with having an account and more to do with HOW Much was in the account which is not something I would share in an anonymous and public forum,,, |
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You seem like a nice guy and I am sure you want answers but you also seem to only be asking questions to create arguments. The last questions you asked are either answered already
Or base on things we didn't say but you said we did. That usually means you have a question or conflicts that you have not really addressed yet. We are called to seek the truth. Your questions are answerable but you have to figure out what the real question or conflict is. I hope to talk more with you brother. Have a blessed evening. John. |
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perhaps they will make a 'bible for dummies' considering that it's a talking snake in the bible I would think it's already been done someday, written with all possible adjectives to describe all referenced nouns till then, some can understand water being 'good' without having to have it spelled out specifically everything God made in the time of Adam was GOOD, including the gold AND the LIGHT and EVERYTHING else, although the bible didnt repeat the adjective for EVERY instance MsHarmony...the bible points out everything that was good just as it points out everything that was bad, and that which was not pointed out apparently was of non-importance ...simple logic |
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points to ponder: money is not the root of evil the LOVE of money ( a form of 'coveting') is the root MsHarmony...here's something else to ponder under your definition anyone with a bank account would be loving and coveting money so..er...do you have a bank account? your leaps are truly olympian if I Have food in my pantry, is that equal to 'loving' and 'coveting' food as well? depends on how much food it is in your pantry, your pantry may be the size of Sam's Club so yes or no MsHarmony...do you love money so much that you covet it in a bank account and the banks use it to get Gold? your logic is inconsistent the issue would have nothing to do with having an account and more to do with HOW Much was in the account which is not something I would share in an anonymous and public forum,,, you could have a closed bank account or an overdrawn bank account, no one would know but you...the question I asked was if you had one, but since you have children it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that at some point in time you did have a bank account a bank account proves your love of money (the root of all evil) was so great that you seeked out ways to covet it |
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You seem like a nice guy and I am sure you want answers but you also seem to only be asking questions to create arguments. The last questions you asked are either answered already Or base on things we didn't say but you said we did. "HikerJohn"...you claiming that gold make crops grow seems more like you trying to start an argument .... That usually means you have a question or conflicts that you have not really addressed yet. We are called to seek the truth. Your questions are answerable but you have to figure out what the real question or conflict is. ok Dr. Phil I hope to talk more with you brother. just post and either me or the holy spirit will answer |
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