Topic: what Is The Truth About Dinosaurs
Eljay's photo
Sun 08/31/08 02:25 PM





But Eljay, I have here a photo of Amelia Earhart and her entire biography so I dont need to rely on faith and belief in something with no solid or credible evidence now do I? :tongue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Amelia_earhart.jpeg

So you think we will never find the bones of Adam and Eve yet we were able to discover the remains of 500,000 year old Neanderthal? Hmmm.

Scroll up a bit and the elephant ancestry was begun. I can keep going if you like.


Kind of makes you wonder if they're 500,000 years old - doesn't it?


Well 6000 year old people should not be very hard to find right? They would have been Homo sapiens? Neanderthals' cranial capacity was larger than modern humans, indicating that their brains may have been larger. They were almost exclusively carnivorous and top predators. On average, the height of Neanderthals was comparable to contemporaneous homo sapiens. Neanderthal males stood about 165–168 cm tall (about 5'5")(found 1.9 m tall) and were heavily built with robust bone structure. They were much stronger, having particularly strong arms and hands. Females stood about 152–156 cm tall (about 5'1").

So they were close but not quite there. Now how would Adam and Eve have differed in their skeletal structure?


But how can we extrapolate A&E into the Darwinian account and expect logical comparisons? When discussing Neanderthals and Homosapiens - A&E must be discounted, and the flood dismissed. Otherwise, evolution falls. Evolutionary theory and Evolutionary theory do not intersect at any period of time - they are divergent theories. to accept one demands the other be rejected.


Well I’m not entirely sold on that premise as a girlfriend of mine is a practicing Roman Catholic, attends Sunday mass, studied anthropology in college (that’s how we met) and she doesn’t believe in the great flood, or Noah's ark. What she does see is anthropogenesis being quite possible and simply the way god would have gone about it. You would hear no argument out of me on that premise.

What Im asking you is were Adam and Eve like us today? Homo sapien. You dont have to validate this terminology. Im not asking that. Im simply wondering if you would have considered their bodies and skeletons as we are today?


Ah - I see. Yes, I would consider A&E Homo sapien.

Krimsa's photo
Sun 08/31/08 02:40 PM
Edited by Krimsa on Sun 08/31/08 02:42 PM
Then why would the skeleton of Neanderthal be different?

Eljay's photo
Sun 08/31/08 03:21 PM

Then why would the skeleton of Neanderthal be different?


Now we are entering difficult ground where conjecture and subjectivity and perception is going to become the rule.

Is it definitive that Neanderthal is in fact the natural order of things - or an abnormality?

It depends on the amount of evidence available to determine how "factual" the conclusions are. I have not experienced (personally) anywhere near the proper amount of evidence to formulate an opinion about this one way or the other - just what I read of the testimonies of others. Many of whom are highly suspect in terms of their observations due to the agenda's they bring along with them.

So - my response to your question is - they wouldn't be. But I know by "definition" that they are naturally assumed to be - so now subjectivity comes into play.

Krimsa's photo
Sun 08/31/08 03:30 PM
Edited by Krimsa on Sun 08/31/08 03:48 PM
Well we can tackle all that if you want. But what really prompted this question was your post when you asked me if Neanderthal man is in fact 500,000 years old. You were attempting to imply he is only 6000 years old correct? I don’t want to put words into your mouth of course. You asked me if in fact he could be that age? If he is only 6000 years old and by your definition Homo Sapien because that’s all that god ever created, then why is his skeletal system different than that of modern man? Why does he have stronger arms and hands and a different cranial capacity and structure? He is Homo sapien by your definition and only 6000 years old?

This is something you can see with the naked eye Eljay. I will show you two comparison photos of a modern human skeleton and Neaderthalis with lights on them in an examination room if need be. Zero sujectivity.

tribo's photo
Sun 08/31/08 04:22 PM
the answer to dinosaurs and man is simple, man started out as a dinosaur and evolved from there to homo-reptilicus, then to neanderthal, and eventually to homosapien, and now onward to homosupremious bigsmile

Krimsa's photo
Sun 08/31/08 04:24 PM
"Homosupremious" is the new featured hamburger at Buger King right now.

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Sun 08/31/08 04:27 PM

the answer to dinosaurs and man is simple, man started out as a dinosaur and evolved from there to homo-reptilicus, then to neanderthal, and eventually to homosapien, and now onward to homosupremious bigsmile


Then after homosupremious they finally reach homosexualious. bigsmile laugh laugh laugh

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 08/31/08 05:05 PM
:tongue: If Noah had been smart he would have swatted those two flies. :tongue:

Krimsa's photo
Sun 08/31/08 05:07 PM

:tongue: If Noah had been smart he would have swatted those two flies. :tongue:



I bet the fly swatter of the ancient peoples were nothing more than a swatting device stuck to the end of a stick...

tribo's photo
Sun 08/31/08 05:21 PM
Edited by tribo on Sun 08/31/08 06:21 PM
nope they used the ancient fly gun, that predates the japanese showgun, kenechiwa :tongue:

Krimsa's photo
Sun 08/31/08 05:28 PM
Say Noah had killed the two flies on board the Ark. Then we would have no flies today correct? No species of fly whatsoever? What would eat dead things then? How would spiders get their food? That would open up an entire can of worms....provided we had worms. You dont know what that would have screwed up going down the chain. :tongue:

tribo's photo
Sun 08/31/08 06:45 PM

Say Noah had killed the two flies on board the Ark. Then we would have no flies today correct? No species of fly whatsoever? What would eat dead things then? How would spiders get their food? That would open up an entire can of worms....provided we had worms. You dont know what that would have screwed up going down the chain. :tongue:


i'd be willing to take that chance - and i'd include, mosquitos, fleas, jiggers, ticks, and anything else that bites me - laugh :tongue:

Krimsa's photo
Sun 08/31/08 07:04 PM
Yeah but they do have their use, as all animals do. Yes, that includes insect kingdom. I mean look at the sloth. You have seen them before right? What purpose could that animal possibly serve?

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/set/1478/sloth20052small.jpg

He better hurry off that freeway junction there. ohwell

tribo's photo
Sun 08/31/08 07:13 PM
some kinda claws on that guy!! wow!!

the sloth has a purpose - it's to show the rest on the animal kingdom how to be laid back and relaxed - :tongue: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Krimsa's photo
Sun 08/31/08 07:25 PM
Edited by Krimsa on Sun 08/31/08 07:27 PM
Yeah I honestly like their look. I saw a lady at the zoo once carrying one around. They are creepy looking. Funny faces. ohwell They barely move. Very very slow.

SkyHook5652's photo
Sun 08/31/08 07:45 PM


:tongue: If Noah had been smart he would have swatted those two flies. :tongue:



I bet the fly swatter of the ancient peoples were nothing more than a swatting device stuck to the end of a stick...


rofl

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Sun 08/31/08 07:59 PM
The journal Science has announced the discovery of a large sea-dwelling crocodile that lived 135 million years ago, in the middle of the dinosaur era. "Paleontologists have known about crocodiles living in the oceans since the 1800's when their fossils were uncovered in Europe. Some had even evolved flippers and a fish-like tail.... Despite its unusual shape, the 13-inch-long skull possessed telltale features like the shape of the nostrils, eye sockets and the roof of the mouth that indicated it was a crocodile. A detailed comparison by Dr. Pol with other marine crocodiles of the time indicated that the new species resembled a group with the flippers and fish-like tail.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/10/science/10cnd-croc.html?_r=1&ei=5094&en=977eab346997c212&hp=&ex=1131685200&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

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Sun 08/31/08 08:02 PM
The earliest crocodilians evolved over 200 million years ago. Crocodilians are usually considered to be the only living members of the Archosauria, the group which included the dinosaurs. The 23 species of alligators, crocodiles, and their kin, caiman and gharials, are collectively known as crocodilians. However, some scientists believe birds, which are the closest living relatives of crocodilians, should also be included in this group. Crocodilians play a vital role in the habitats where they are found. During times of drought, crocodilians create "wallows" or depressions in the ground, which fill with ground water and allow other animals to drink. They keep waterways open by clearing plants away when they swim. They are the top predators in their environments and help regulate populations of other animals. They break down nutrients for flora and fauna at the other end of the food chain, and the cycle starts over (insect eats plant, frog eats insect, alligator eats frog, alligator feeds plant.

http://www.4to40.com/geography/print.asp?id=17

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Sun 08/31/08 08:04 PM
How long have sharks been around?

Sharks have been around since the Upper Devonian, approximately 409 million years ago. The subclass Elasmobranchii, to which the sharks belong, have contained three branches through time. The original and most primitive branch is the cladodontoids branch, which is now extinct. The second branch is the hybodonts, who are also now extinct, but who eventually gave rise to the modern sharks and rays contained in a grouping called the elasmobranchs. There are still a few shark species alive today that represent a transitional position between the hybodonts and today's modern shark.

http://www.marinebiodiversity.ca/shark/english/facts.htm

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 08/31/08 08:06 PM
Some dinosaurs had tiny brains,

no larger than a pea.

When my teacher read that

it reminded her of me.