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Wow so many great posts! I am impressed guys!
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Come on folks,I think this is getting carried away.
Little girl has a past history. Not condoning what she did, but can see the why. Let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill. Mom & Instructor, should talk about OTHER moves she can use to protect herself. Little boy needs to learn respect for others. Should end there. PC needs to be done with common sense. They are 6yr old CHILDREN. Let's chill just a bit. |
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She should have first and for most been taught to walk away in any type of self defended type of class. When I was younger and took a different type of class the first and most thing they taught me was walk away first if that can be done at all best. It seem's your daughter is just at much fault as this boy, if not more. I mean what would you say if your daughter school called and they told you she killed this boy who was just playing around and just so happened to pinched her. If your reaction is the same then maybe your daughter shouldn't be going to school or learning MMA in the first place. Bottom line school is meant for learning as every body knows and your daughter was not in the right, either was this boy. Either way she was in the more wrong since this boy could have been more serious hurt and you could get sued and all for injurys etc. This is crazy and no body was really in the right here. OK....SAY MY DAUGHTER IS CORNERED IN THE HALLWAY BY THIS SAME BOY , AND HE HE TRIES MORE? YES A SIX YEAR OLD CAN DO MORE THAN JUST PINCH A RUMP! THERE ARE CHILDREN OUT THERE BEING ABUSED DAILY AND ARE BEING TAUGHT TO DO SO BY OTHERS. THEY MAY THINK IT IS OK, BUT ITS NOT! THEN SHE SHOULD JUST WALK AWAY? HER INSTRUCTOR IS A TEACHER AS WELL. AND I DON'T KNOW ANYONE WHO"JUST SO HAPPENS TO PINCH SOMEONES RUMP! First off I am not finding this funny at all, second off your daughter was never ever cornered as you stated, that's a different story altogether in it self. And Your daughter should have gone to the teacher first as well as some one else also stated. |
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Lily~ Here is the distinction I make... when at school you follow school rules. Keep your hands to yourself. If someone touches you and you know touching them back will mean getting in trouble.... walk away. Tell. Touching is a safety rule at school. You 'tell' when it is an issue of safety. All else falls on the side of tattling and rarely does anyone like a tattler. Defending yourself is working it out, but not with violence. Well, I HOPE she has learned that she could have really hurt him and I hope he learned not to touch other students and for the teacher...I pray for her sanity! You know, I talk to her a lot about using her talent and I always think " she has understood me" but then I am slapped with the reality that No she does not understand so much. Thank you |
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Come on folks,I think this is getting carried away. Little girl has a past history. Not condoning what she did, but can see the why. Let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill. Mom & Instructor, should talk about OTHER moves she can use to protect herself. Little boy needs to learn respect for others. Should end there. PC needs to be done with common sense. They are 6yr old CHILDREN. Let's chill just a bit. 
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Lily~ Here is the distinction I make... when at school you follow school rules. Keep your hands to yourself. If someone touches you and you know touching them back will mean getting in trouble.... walk away. Tell. Touching is a safety rule at school. You 'tell' when it is an issue of safety. All else falls on the side of tattling and rarely does anyone like a tattler. Defending yourself is working it out, but not with violence. I agree, but pinching someone's bottom is not an issue of safety in the slightest... however, it is an issue of respect, and good behavior. Let's say the little girl didn't do anything then told, the little boy would have been "punished" and if memory serves, what he would have gotten suspension from school or something like that... No lesson would have been learned, because unfortunatly as the OP says his parents aren't exactly stellar parents. Had I been suspended from school at that age or whatever punishment would have been dooled out to me, I would have had double at home for it. If the parents are as the OP says... I'll bet nothing happens to him at home, if it did, he wouldn't have done it in the first place. He would have been taught respect and good behavior in the first place. My brothers are roudy, and loud, and obnoxious... (family resemblance???) but they have never laid a hand on someone in the effort to start something, however they did finish alot of things. |
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Edited by
JusWannaSayHi
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Mon 08/11/08 11:19 AM
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She should have first and for most been taught to walk away in any type of self defended type of class. When I was younger and took a different type of class the first and most thing they taught me was walk away first if that can be done at all best. It seem's your daughter is just at much fault as this boy, if not more. I mean what would you say if your daughter school called and they told you she killed this boy who was just playing around and just so happened to pinched her. If your reaction is the same then maybe your daughter shouldn't be going to school or learning MMA in the first place. Bottom line school is meant for learning as every body knows and your daughter was not in the right, either was this boy. Either way she was in the more wrong since this boy could have been more serious hurt and you could get sued and all for injurys etc. This is crazy and no body was really in the right here. OK....SAY MY DAUGHTER IS CORNERED IN THE HALLWAY BY THIS SAME BOY , AND HE HE TRIES MORE? YES A SIX YEAR OLD CAN DO MORE THAN JUST PINCH A RUMP! THERE ARE CHILDREN OUT THERE BEING ABUSED DAILY AND ARE BEING TAUGHT TO DO SO BY OTHERS. THEY MAY THINK IT IS OK, BUT ITS NOT! THEN SHE SHOULD JUST WALK AWAY? HER INSTRUCTOR IS A TEACHER AS WELL. AND I DON'T KNOW ANYONE WHO"JUST SO HAPPENS TO PINCH SOMEONES RUMP! First off I am not finding this funny at all, second off your daughter was never ever cornered as you stated, that's a different story altogether in it self. And Your daughter should have gone to the teacher first as well as some one else also stated. Umm... Were you there? NO Was I there? NO Did she do what she thought she should do at the time? yes. SHE IS 6!!!!! I NEVER SAID SHE WAS cornered.. I SAID SAY she was cornered. |
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Same sort of situation hpened to my now 14 year old daughter when she was 10..This boy had tormented 17 little girls at school.We tried to have him removed from the school district everything..Well i told devyn my daughter from now on he touches you or even tries to, knock him out, he wont do it again....
He did she pushed him down on the gravel and he got skinned up..The principal called me Devyn was in trouble...Well I made a point to let my kid know in front of the principal that she was NOT in trouble with me...She was crying and upset because she got in trouble and not the boy... The principal was shocked that I HAD told her to defend herself.. i went to the boys Mom that afternoon and told her in no uncertain terms that if her kid touched my daughter again i would be back to see HER, and she wasnt gonna like that visit.....it never happened again.... Your daughter had EVERY RIGHT to defend herself..period..Ill buy her the second icecream after Lily buys her one.... we have to teach our daughters that THAT kind of crap is NOT ok , otherwise they grow thinking that its ok for men to do this kind of thing... |
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She should have first and for most been taught to walk away in any type of self defended type of class. When I was younger and took a different type of class the first and most thing they taught me was walk away first if that can be done at all best. It seem's your daughter is just at much fault as this boy, if not more. I mean what would you say if your daughter school called and they told you she killed this boy who was just playing around and just so happened to pinched her. If your reaction is the same then maybe your daughter shouldn't be going to school or learning MMA in the first place. Bottom line school is meant for learning as every body knows and your daughter was not in the right, either was this boy. Either way she was in the more wrong since this boy could have been more serious hurt and you could get sued and all for injurys etc. This is crazy and no body was really in the right here. Wow, you are SOOOO far off base here. I don't condone hitting in the slightest, but that little girl needed to teach that little punk his place. She was more in the wrong... how is a little kid pinching azz more right?? I'll buy her ice cream as I explain that hitting is wrong. Instead of embarrasing him physically she should embarras him emotionally from now on. It hurts more, and has more of a lasting effect. Neither kid was in the right as I had stated prevely. Plus She could have serious injured this boy just because he pinched her butt. Again neither party was in the right, however her daughter could have serious injured this boy by doing what she did to him over a simple pinched. Sure once again I'll say this neither party was right for doing what they did. |
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Lily~ I agree completely. There is such a fine line, and in school the kids need to assert themselves, and rarely do they have the tools to do so verbally, even in middle school. It is just a matter of maturity.
My son has defended himself on many occasions and has been punished. Who knows, maybe he started things too. He is no perfect child, thank goodness. We have the walk away talk over and over.... but peer pressure teaches him not to. In my head, when I hear what he did, I think "Yeah!"..... but I know he broke a rule and condoning violence sooo can't help. It is an endless struggle. |
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I always have to leave the good threads to go to work!
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Lily~ I agree completely. There is such a fine line, and in school the kids need to assert themselves, and rarely do they have the tools to do so verbally, even in middle school. It is just a matter of maturity. My son has defended himself on many occasions and has been punished. Who knows, maybe he started things too. He is no perfect child, thank goodness. We have the walk away talk over and over.... but peer pressure teaches him not to. In my head, when I hear what he did, I think "Yeah!"..... but I know he broke a rule and condoning violence sooo can't help. It is an endless struggle. Round and round and round....... I don't wanna take her outta class , but if this happens again, I may have too. |
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Well, I didn't bother reading all this so maybe it's already been said. But, my son's been suspended twice for defending himself against bullies. He's been told the correct action is to report the problem to the nearest responsible adult. However, he does have my permission to defend himself should it be absolutely necessary. He wasn't punished at home, my feeling was that he was punished enough with the suspension. I did, however, ensure that the other kids were also suspended. His school has a very strict no touching policy, there is to be no intentional physical contact whatsoever.
I'm not defending the other child, he was wrong, but your daughter was equally wrong. Use this as a lesson in how she can better handle such situations in the future. And, in my opinion, it doesn't sound as if she is ready for martial arts. One of the fundamentals of martial arts is knowing when and how to use it. She is 6 and obviously doesn't understand that this was not a situation where it was necessary. She could have really hurt that child when simply telling the teacher would have sufficed. If it was my child, I'd pull her out until she was more able to exercise better judgment. |
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Same sort of situation hpened to my now 14 year old daughter when she was 10..This boy had tormented 17 little girls at school.We tried to have him removed from the school district everything..Well i told devyn my daughter from now on he touches you or even tries to, knock him out, he wont do it again.... He did she pushed him down on the gravel and he got skinned up..The principal called me Devyn was in trouble...Well I made a point to let my kid know in front of the principal that she was NOT in trouble with me...She was crying and upset because she got in trouble and not the boy... The principal was shocked that I HAD told her to defend herself.. i went to the boys Mom that afternoon and told her in no uncertain terms that if her kid touched my daughter again i would be back to see HER, and she wasnt gonna like that visit.....it never happened again.... Your daughter had EVERY RIGHT to defend herself..period..Ill buy her the second icecream after Lily buys her one.... we have to teach our daughters that THAT kind of crap is NOT ok , otherwise they grow thinking that its ok for men to do this kind of thing... She wasn't defending herself, she was RETALIATING. He PINCHED her butt, not was PINCHING her butt. She abused her knowledge of a martial art, something reprehensable to ones honor. Which is what martial artists are supposed to live by. If she can't understand that she could have taken a life because of anger, she should not procede in her MMA class. What she almost did was murder, not invouluntary manslaughter. |
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two wrongs dont make a right.
Im sorry for your daughter and the situation she was in,but her hitting the boy doesnt make it ok either. She should of gone to a teacher. |
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She should have first and for most been taught to walk away in any type of self defended type of class. When I was younger and took a different type of class the first and most thing they taught me was walk away first if that can be done at all best. It seem's your daughter is just at much fault as this boy, if not more. I mean what would you say if your daughter school called and they told you she killed this boy who was just playing around and just so happened to pinched her. If your reaction is the same then maybe your daughter shouldn't be going to school or learning MMA in the first place. Bottom line school is meant for learning as every body knows and your daughter was not in the right, either was this boy. Either way she was in the more wrong since this boy could have been more serious hurt and you could get sued and all for injurys etc. This is crazy and no body was really in the right here. Wow, you are SOOOO far off base here. I don't condone hitting in the slightest, but that little girl needed to teach that little punk his place. She was more in the wrong... how is a little kid pinching azz more right?? I'll buy her ice cream as I explain that hitting is wrong. Instead of embarrasing him physically she should embarras him emotionally from now on. It hurts more, and has more of a lasting effect. Neither kid was in the right as I had stated prevely. Plus She could have serious injured this boy just because he pinched her butt. Again neither party was in the right, however her daughter could have serious injured this boy by doing what she did to him over a simple pinched. Sure once again I'll say this neither party was right for doing what they did. OK, but she could have NIGHTMARES for weeks over this. Emotionally it could REALLY HURT HER!! She could hurt herself durring these nightmares she MAY very well have. |
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She should have first and for most been taught to walk away in any type of self defended type of class. When I was younger and took a different type of class the first and most thing they taught me was walk away first if that can be done at all best. It seem's your daughter is just at much fault as this boy, if not more. I mean what would you say if your daughter school called and they told you she killed this boy who was just playing around and just so happened to pinched her. If your reaction is the same then maybe your daughter shouldn't be going to school or learning MMA in the first place. Bottom line school is meant for learning as every body knows and your daughter was not in the right, either was this boy. Either way she was in the more wrong since this boy could have been more serious hurt and you could get sued and all for injurys etc. This is crazy and no body was really in the right here. OK....SAY MY DAUGHTER IS CORNERED IN THE HALLWAY BY THIS SAME BOY , AND HE HE TRIES MORE? YES A SIX YEAR OLD CAN DO MORE THAN JUST PINCH A RUMP! THERE ARE CHILDREN OUT THERE BEING ABUSED DAILY AND ARE BEING TAUGHT TO DO SO BY OTHERS. THEY MAY THINK IT IS OK, BUT ITS NOT! THEN SHE SHOULD JUST WALK AWAY? HER INSTRUCTOR IS A TEACHER AS WELL. AND I DON'T KNOW ANYONE WHO"JUST SO HAPPENS TO PINCH SOMEONES RUMP! First off I am not finding this funny at all, second off your daughter was never ever cornered as you stated, that's a different story altogether in it self. And Your daughter should have gone to the teacher first as well as some one else also stated. Umm... Were you there? NO Was I there? NO Did she do what she thought she should do at the time? yes. SHE IS 6!!!!! I NEVER SAID SHE WAS cornered.. I SAID SAY she was cornered. I never said I was there. WTF . I never said you where there either as you said you where not. This topic should be closed as it's getting out of hand. |
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Same sort of situation hpened to my now 14 year old daughter when she was 10..This boy had tormented 17 little girls at school.We tried to have him removed from the school district everything..Well i told devyn my daughter from now on he touches you or even tries to, knock him out, he wont do it again.... He did she pushed him down on the gravel and he got skinned up..The principal called me Devyn was in trouble...Well I made a point to let my kid know in front of the principal that she was NOT in trouble with me...She was crying and upset because she got in trouble and not the boy... The principal was shocked that I HAD told her to defend herself.. i went to the boys Mom that afternoon and told her in no uncertain terms that if her kid touched my daughter again i would be back to see HER, and she wasnt gonna like that visit.....it never happened again.... Your daughter had EVERY RIGHT to defend herself..period..Ill buy her the second icecream after Lily buys her one.... we have to teach our daughters that THAT kind of crap is NOT ok , otherwise they grow thinking that its ok for men to do this kind of thing... A freaken MEN.... that's the problem, this sort of behavior at 6, pinching bottoms breeds more disrespectful behavior in adults. I'm sorry this little girl had to experience that, but BRAVO for her defending not just herself, but all little girls, that little punk kid will think twice before he pinches another little girls bottom. We as adult women need to take lessons from her. I've been in bars when a man I don't know has pinched my azz, and he got a big surprise when either myself or one of my guy friends slaps him across the face for it, then they stand there like "what'd I do?" My bestest responds with "learn to respect a lady and I won't have to do it again" |
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Come on folks,I think this is getting carried away. Little girl has a past history. Not condoning what she did, but can see the why. Let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill. Mom & Instructor, should talk about OTHER moves she can use to protect herself. Little boy needs to learn respect for others. Should end there. PC needs to be done with common sense. They are 6yr old CHILDREN. Let's chill just a bit. Agree. 
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Well, I didn't bother reading all this so maybe it's already been said. But, my son's been suspended twice for defending himself against bullies. He's been told the correct action is to report the problem to the nearest responsible adult. However, he does have my permission to defend himself should it be absolutely necessary. He wasn't punished at home, my feeling was that he was punished enough with the suspension. I did, however, ensure that the other kids were also suspended. His school has a very strict no touching policy, there is to be no intentional physical contact whatsoever. I'm not defending the other child, he was wrong, but your daughter was equally wrong. Use this as a lesson in how she can better handle such situations in the future. And, in my opinion, it doesn't sound as if she is ready for martial arts. One of the fundamentals of martial arts is knowing when and how to use it. She is 6 and obviously doesn't understand that this was not a situation where it was necessary. She could have really hurt that child when simply telling the teacher would have sufficed. If it was my child, I'd pull her out until she was more able to exercise better judgment. Maybe you didn't read it all, SHE WAS SEXUALLY ABUSED UP UNTIL LAST YEAR. I am CERTAIN if she did not feel threatened she would not have done anything to this child. |
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