Topic: First day and ALREADY she is in trouble!
JusWannaSayHi's photo
Mon 08/11/08 10:56 AM


I know this little boy comes from alcoholic home. And I have seen his parents abuse him in public, so I know he has to have some issues. I feel for him a bit, but then again, if a man were to pinch mine , I would def use Kempo! Don't care how bad he got hurt.



Key words there are "man" & "little boy". The boy was wrong, but he is only 6 this is a time for learning boundries. Make sure the school understands he must learn, & make sure your daughter learns what is an appropriate response. Don't teach her to be a hot head, but don't let her accept abuse either. It's going to be hard for a 6 year old to know the difference & teachers should realize this.


True nuf... I aint mad at all at him, kids will be kids, but the teachers KNOW of her past sexual abuse. So I am SURE she was scared when he did it.

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Mon 08/11/08 10:58 AM
Edited by littleredhen on Mon 08/11/08 11:00 AM
Do you know the boys parents?

Edit; I just saw that post. I guess you are not comfortable talking to them.

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Mon 08/11/08 10:58 AM
My son's martial arts instructor teaches 'walk away'. If you can't get away, then yell.. at the other person, and/or for help. Only when you are physically threatened do you employ physical force. And I have a hard time seeing this as physically threatening.

But honestly, she's a little kid. She did what she thought was the correct thing. I'd probably give her another option or two to think about first.

And the boy obviously needs to be punished... for his own good. He needs to know that pinching is unacceptable.

Hang in there SayHi!

P.S. Love the pups picture!

Kevin77's photo
Mon 08/11/08 10:58 AM
With power comes responsibility. She should not have gone for the throat unless she felt her LIFE was in danger. She needs to understand that, and if she can't maybe she doesn't belong in that class. True, everyone has a right to protect themself, but she wasn't protecting herself; she was retaliating. Not good.

JusWannaSayHi's photo
Mon 08/11/08 11:00 AM


My daughter is 6 . She started first grade today.
I just got a call from the teacher...
Seems that my daughter did not like that another first grader pinched her rump, so as a result she used a bit of Martial Arts on him.
The teacher was VERY upset and asked If I condoned this. I said, well that was the MAIN reason I put her in Junior MMA. To PROTECT herself !
Now mind you, she stated to me that he was not in trouble, but now they may punish my daughter.
How the HECK can she be in trouble for doing this? I asked if he was bleeding, she said no, that my daughter hit his throat. Which can be fatal if you use too much force.

And they are ONLY 6 years old.
I am not saying what she did was right, but even still. He started it...
Right????what


If she felt that touching her was wrong, then it was wrong to touch him. What if it was too much force she used?noway


As I said , she has the right to defend herself. ANY WAY SHE CAN!
Now he knows NOT to touch girls rumps.
Keep in mind they are only 6. And she was abused in the past. AND YES SHE HAS A PSYC. She sees each week.
She thought he was goin to do something BAD to her.

plk1966's photo
Mon 08/11/08 11:00 AM



If these kids were older and she slapped him across the face after he pinched her it would be acceptable, she may have use a little excessive force but I bet he never touched her again.


EXACTLY!!


It's better to learn the lessons NOW the older they get, the less tolerance the school will have.
Exactly what my point is. These kids need to learn to keep their hands to themselves.

JusWannaSayHi's photo
Mon 08/11/08 11:01 AM

My son's martial arts instructor teaches 'walk away'. If you can't get away, then yell.. at the other person, and/or for help. Only when you are physically threatened do you employ physical force. And I have a hard time seeing this as physically threatening.

But honestly, she's a little kid. She did what she thought was the correct thing. I'd probably give her another option or two to think about first.

And the boy obviously needs to be punished... for his own good. He needs to know that pinching is unacceptable.

Hang in there SayHi!

P.S. Love the pups picture!


I think she did feel threatened considering her past.
Thanksflowerforyou

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Mon 08/11/08 11:02 AM

With power comes responsibility. She should not have gone for the throat unless she felt her LIFE was in danger. She needs to understand that, and if she can't maybe she doesn't belong in that class. True, everyone has a right to protect themself, but she wasn't protecting herself; she was retaliating. Not good.


Well said, I think this is a great chance to teach that. With the girls past experiences it may be hard to tell the difference but her instructer should be able to handle it.

Lily0923's photo
Mon 08/11/08 11:02 AM
Maybe it's me, and I just don't understand, it wouldn't be the first time, and certainly won't be the last but....

We teach kids not to tattle, then tell them to "tell"

We teach kids not to hit, then they get in trouble for them defending themselves.

We teach kids not to start trouble, then when they finish it, they are the ones who get in trouble.

I had 3 brothers growing up, we rough housed and beat on each other, in a manner that didn't hurt, the neighbor boy hit me in the stomache one day after school getting off the bus, all 3 of my brothers ran out of the house and up to his house, that little boy never hit me again.

In the second grade a little boy punched me in the arm because when he dropped his lunch money I leaned over to pick it up for him and he thought I was going to "steal" it, my dad talked to his dad that night, that little boy never hit another kid ever again. Actually he plays for the NY Mets now and the last time I saw him it was a huge joke between us.

Everything is so PC now and it is more f'd up than it has ever been.

Hitting is BAD... but defending yourself is comendable. That little kid pinching girls bottoms... well if that happened to my daughter, the parents would be taking it up with me, and it wouldn't end very well.

You are to teach your children respect, and they are failing miserably.

I'll buy your daughter ice cream.....and again tell her not to hit, but if she gets in trouble, I'll go down to that school with you....

JusWannaSayHi's photo
Mon 08/11/08 11:03 AM
MY GOODNESS! frustrated frustrated frustrated

No1sLove's photo
Mon 08/11/08 11:05 AM
My nieces and nephews all took martial arts from a young age and the instructor had a strict rule that they were not allowed to use it in school under any circumstances that did not put their lives in danger.

The school had his phone number, as agreed by all the parents of the children taking his instruction, so that any misuse was to be reported to him so he could address it personally at practice.

He explained that though he teaches for the use of self defense...children that age base their retaliation strictly on emotions and not sound judgment.

IMO, a pinch on the bottom is better dealt with by being reported and the boy being educated by the school...after they pick him up off the ground, that is. The throat seems extreme and the boy could have been more seriously hurt. Had that happened, you could now be facing serious charges. I think you got lucky and should have a serious talk with your daughter about appropriate use of her talents in future situations. There are many things she might have done to teach that boy a lesson, without risking injury. JMO


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Mon 08/11/08 11:06 AM




If these kids were older and she slapped him across the face after he pinched her it would be acceptable, she may have use a little excessive force but I bet he never touched her again.


EXACTLY!!


It's better to learn the lessons NOW the older they get, the less tolerance the school will have.
Exactly what my point is. These kids need to learn to keep their hands to themselves.


True, but they don't & they need to learn the consequences of thier actions. Belle's daughter may have over reacted, but the kids have more respect for her now. She may pay a price for that gained respect, but it will be worth it in the long run. Many lessons here. Good teachers will see the teaching oppourtunity & not just try crowd control tactics.

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Mon 08/11/08 11:08 AM
Lily~

Here is the distinction I make... when at school you follow school rules. Keep your hands to yourself. If someone touches you and you know touching them back will mean getting in trouble.... walk away. Tell. Touching is a safety rule at school.

You 'tell' when it is an issue of safety. All else falls on the side of tattling and rarely does anyone like a tattler. Defending yourself is working it out, but not with violence.

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Mon 08/11/08 11:08 AM
Great Post Lily!

JusWannaSayHi's photo
Mon 08/11/08 11:09 AM

MY GOODNESS! frustrated frustrated frustrated


I feel like I did something wrong now.
Geesh!
I think she did what she thought she had to do at the time.
Most 6 year olds do.
I plan to speak with his parents about this if they aren't tooo drunk.
They just live 4 houses down from me. The children were taken away once, then they got them back. I KNOW THE LITTLE BOY DIDN'T DESERVE SO MUCH FORCE,OR TO EVEN BE TOUCHED, BUT MY LITTLE GIRL DIDN'T DESERVE FOR HER ASS TO BE PINCHED EITHER.

JusWannaSayHi's photo
Mon 08/11/08 11:10 AM


With power comes responsibility. She should not have gone for the throat unless she felt her LIFE was in danger. She needs to understand that, and if she can't maybe she doesn't belong in that class. True, everyone has a right to protect themself, but she wasn't protecting herself; she was retaliating. Not good.


Well said, I think this is a great chance to teach that. With the girls past experiences it may be hard to tell the difference but her instructer should be able to handle it.


best thing is... her instructers wife is her psyc. She suggested MMA for her. Said it would build self esteem and such.

JusWannaSayHi's photo
Mon 08/11/08 11:12 AM

My nieces and nephews all took martial arts from a young age and the instructor had a strict rule that they were not allowed to use it in school under any circumstances that did not put their lives in danger.

The school had his phone number, as agreed by all the parents of the children taking his instruction, so that any misuse was to be reported to him so he could address it personally at practice.

He explained that though he teaches for the use of self defense...children that age base their retaliation strictly on emotions and not sound judgment.

IMO, a pinch on the bottom is better dealt with by being reported and the boy being educated by the school...after they pick him up off the ground, that is. The throat seems extreme and the boy could have been more seriously hurt. Had that happened, you could now be facing serious charges. I think you got lucky and should have a serious talk with your daughter about appropriate use of her talents in future situations. There are many things she might have done to teach that boy a lesson, without risking injury. JMO




I agree with you

No1sLove's photo
Mon 08/11/08 11:12 AM
I so agree with Lilith, that physical should be brought to an adults attention. I also think that anything sexual in nature should as well. We are preparing kids for the work force and real life. You want her to be able to defend herself if attacked on the street, but if going for the throat over a hand on the azz in the work place will likely bring suit and dismissal...there are proper channels she needs to know how to follow.

plk1966's photo
Mon 08/11/08 11:13 AM
Edited by plk1966 on Mon 08/11/08 11:14 AM
you did what you thought was right to help protect your daughter, now you and the instructor need to teach her the appropriate time to use such force.

Don't knock yourself, like I said if they were older a slap is what he would have gotten.


Please remember that a pinch n the arse can also bring a suit even at 6 yrs old.

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Mon 08/11/08 11:13 AM
Edited by littleredhen on Mon 08/11/08 11:15 AM
Sounds like you have built a good network around your daughter & I am sure this will all be fine. She has people that will work together to see that she understands what an appropriate response is & she has to skills to deliver it! I hope the boy gets as lucky!