I honestly think that one of the basic problems with people is that we try to understand God with human standards. We try to give God a personality define as one of ours. We try to reduce God to a scientific or conceptual definition.
Our little minds try to grab something that is so big that occupies the whole thing.
So when logical reasoning fails what comes next is rejection because my mind can't apprehend God's nature.
It's not even a matter of being a christian or not, it's something way simpler.
God created everything. We come from God, and eventually we are going to come back to Him.
God is in everything, but at the same time He trascends everything because He is substance is different from His creation.
Since He is in and above everything our minds won't be able to comprehend his nature in this lifetime.
The only thing we can do is understand that everything in this life has a purpose as TELEOLOGY proposes.
When we stop wondering the WHY of the things, and we start wondering the WHAT FOR of things we will start seeing more sense to this world and its events.

TLW

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!!

This is something that really needs further examination.

I agree with what you are sayin,..

I feel as God is like the sun`s energy ,..an energy that without we would all die,.plants & animals,..

an energy that is indifferent to all we say & do,..

I agree with you. But aren't WHY and WHAT FOR kinda the same thing? I think a better way to put it would be in terms of the difference between OUR GOALS and GOD'S GOALS. Yeah?

the WHY is when we try to find the reason of the thing.
the WHAT FOR is when we try to find the purpose of the thing.
when we find the purpose we can start acting upon it.
the cause becomes unnecesary because belongs to the past.
whereas the purpose helps us realize how to behave in the future.

I still agree with you, but I don't think it has to be that complicated.

Read what happened when Israel assembled together, in unity, to sacrifice & give praise to God for their restoration. Our sacrifce to God today would be to lay our "self" on the alter for Him to burn out the dross & pour in His holy presence. Then your praise of God would be as natural as drinking milk. so would your ability to know His will because He calls you friend.

No man can know or even imagine what the Lord can do for those He loves. His glory cloud is VERY real. I can say that Jesus IS EVERYTHING we need. Examine in these passages the thickness of God's provisions.

2 Chrons Ch. 5

1 So all the work that Solomon had done for the house of the LORD was finished; and Solomon brought in the things which his father David had dedicated: the silver and the gold and all the furnishings. And he put them in the treasuries of the house of God.

The Ark Brought into the Temple

2 Now Solomon assembled the elders of Israel and all the heads of the tribes, the chief fathers of the children of Israel, in Jerusalem, that they might bring the ark of the covenant of the LORD up from the City of David, which is Zion. 3 Therefore all the men of Israel assembled with the king at the feast, which was in the seventh month. 4 So all the elders of Israel came, and the Levites took up the ark. 5 Then they brought up the ark, the tabernacle of meeting, and all the holy furnishings that were in the tabernacle. The priests and the Levites brought them up.

6 Also King Solomon, and all the congregation of Israel who were assembled with him before the ark, were sacrificing sheep and oxen that could not be counted or numbered for multitude.

7 Then the priests brought in the ark of the covenant of the LORD to its place, into the inner sanctuary of the temple,[a] to the Most Holy Place, under the wings of the cherubim. 8 For the cherubim spread their wings over the place of the ark, and the cherubim overshadowed the ark and its poles. 9 The poles extended so that the ends of the poles of the ark could be seen from the holy place, in front of the inner sanctuary; but they could not be seen from outside. And they are there to this day. 10 Nothing was in the ark except the two tablets which Moses put there at Horeb, when the LORD made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they had come out of Egypt.

11 And it came to pass when the priests came out of the Most Holy Place (for all the priests who were present had sanctified themselves, without keeping to their divisions), 12 and the Levites who were the singers, all those of Asaph and Heman and Jeduthun, with their sons and their brethren, stood at the east end of the altar, clothed in white linen, having cymbals, stringed instruments and harps, and with them one hundred and twenty priests sounding with trumpets— 13 indeed it came to pass, when the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD, and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and praised the LORD, saying:

“For He is good,
For His mercy endures forever,”
that the house, the house of the LORD, was filled with a cloud, 14 so that the priests could not continue ministering because of the cloud; for the glory of the LORD filled the house of God.

perhaps the sort of speech i used make it seem to be complicated, but its very simple.
furthermore, it agrees with your assertion with regard our goal and God's goals.

I think that when God inspired those that wrote the word, he might have said a few things that were taken wrong.

1. That God created us humans "in his own image."

2. Jesus said "have I not said you are Gods?"

Sure taken out of context, as much scripture (especially when quoted) often is. But let's examine those two statements. One says God is like us, the other says we are like God. Both are credited as being God's word to man.

See I think one of the basic problems with trying to understand God, is that we often ascribe too much too him. He's not all that and a bag of chips. Mistakes have been made (it says "and the Lord repented" in more than one passage), but we will not attribute a "mistake" to God. Our faith structure is built on the premise that God is infalliable. However, man was created in his image. Let's examine the image of man.

Man is lazy. Man makes errors and learns from them. Man is often quick to judge, and slow to learn patience (did it ever occur to anyone that maybe God needed time to get used to us, hence the old and new testiment). Man loves humor. (and so does God, i.e. duckbill platypus) Man exhists in a warlike state (there is the constant battle between good and evil).

If we are in God's image, does that not also mean we will take on his characteristics. Do not your own children take on some of your characteristics? Ask your parents if you can't see it yourself, they'll always say "___ was just like that when he was a kid." When we read that, we just assume it means God is in humanoid shape, but what if it just means we share the same type of personality?

I know it sounds of cliche, and it is one, but "what if God isn't actually omnipitant, what if he's just been around long enough that it appears he is?"

The problem with the bible is that we try to ananlyze it to much. The bible is like God's love letter to you. It is supposed to speak to you in a way that brings the message of love in your heart. The old testiment is a section on God's justice, and how he goes about it. The new testiment is his love letter to us. In the old testiment, he teaches us what we should do to walk upright, and in the new he teaches us how to walk the walk. One must realize that even God saw that having only a system of justice was a failure (another common characteristic of man), and He had to improve upon it, He tossed out the system of justice and proscribed us just to love each other.

That's a nice way of looking at it.

I wish I could take credit for it, but I know it's from one of Uncle Waynes sermans

That's ok... thanks for sharing it.

Beautifully given, Miguel. God is a spirit and God is love to me. If I set myself up as God then I make the same mistake that the son of the morning made and will just be cast down. As the preacher said, "Vanity of vanities; Its all vanity." Pride comes before a fall. Its good for me just to say, "Please" in the morning and "Thank You" at night because I believe in Romans 8:26. Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

god is in the TV

kill your god kill your tv

in 1979 a voice came to me and woke me from my sleep.

the language was unknown to me.

knowing what constitutes 'talking in tongues' was not put on my tongue until 1987, and in the interim, I would share how this unknown tongue was translated in my soul and people would ask me if I beileved in God.

At the time, I thought it was some alien telepathy. I am not kidding. I had no clue.

My world was so far from the church and God that I couldn't have been more objective at the time, even though I now believe that I was anything but objective at the time. LOL

After hearing this three times and waking my wife to ask her if she was hearing this and being astonished at her answer of 'no' with a perplexed look on her face, the translation came as though my mind was much more than I ever realized.

Yet, the trnslation was clearer and feeling one with the words as they came the final third time.

"objective, mission and purpose"

I do not have the answer unto myself.

Though I do believe that the answer is forthcoming in a coherent way for each, judging by the way my mind was able to comprehend it and relate it to my awakened soul at the time.


All I could say to myself in 1987 after having been given a witness of my own self speaking that language on my own tongue was to come to a rememberance of having heard this language for the first time quite uninvited and intrusively at the time in 1979.

What was intrusion to part of me is intercession and comfort to another part of me.


Fitting into the wordds given is consuming the whole of my life as I know it, as limited as that appears to be for me.

I am going with it, though.

There is too much there to ignore.

LOL...who says yu can't make this stuff up????

LOL... kilt m' landlord