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Topic: Cheneye to dress navy seals as Iranians to provoke war
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Mon 08/04/08 05:01 PM
Speaking at the Campus Progress journalism conference earlier this month, Seymour Hersh — a Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist for The New Yorker — revealed that Bush administration officials held a meeting recently in the Vice President’s office to discuss ways to provoke a war with Iran.

In Hersh’s most recent article, he reports that this meeting occurred in the wake of the overblown incident in the Strait of Hormuz, when a U.S. carrier almost shot at a few small Iranian speedboats. The “meeting took place in the Vice-President’s office. ‘The subject was how to create a casus belli between Tehran and Washington,’” according to one of Hersh’s sources.

During the journalism conference event, I asked Hersh specifically about this meeting and if he could elaborate on what occurred. Hersh explained that, during the meeting in Cheney’s office, an idea was considered to dress up Navy Seals as Iranians, put them on fake Iranian speedboats, and shoot at them. This idea, intended to provoke an Iran war, was ultimately rejected:

HERSH: There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war. The one that interested me the most was why don’t we build — we in our shipyard — build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up.

Might cost some lives. And it was rejected because you can’t have Americans killing Americans. That’s the kind of — that’s the level of stuff we’re talking about. Provocation. But that was rejected.

Watch it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slgBr...-for-iran-war/
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Fanta46's photo
Mon 08/04/08 07:36 PM
Your link didnt work madman!!

mnhiker's photo
Mon 08/04/08 07:46 PM

Your link didnt work madman!!


Fanta,

Here's the correct link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFdgzPbtF3o

madisonman's photo
Mon 08/04/08 09:02 PM


Your link didnt work madman!!


Fanta,

Here's the correct link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFdgzPbtF3o
Thanks MNhiker didnt know my link didnt work........ cant you just picture the swine ploting this crazy stuff? My god its absolutly insane

Fanta46's photo
Mon 08/04/08 09:26 PM
This is O reilly as he is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC8BBIwrbLU&feature=related

madisonman's photo
Tue 08/05/08 07:12 PM
this is still insane to have our leaders plotting ways to start a war

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Tue 08/05/08 07:17 PM
Ridiculous.

madisonman's photo
Tue 08/05/08 07:19 PM

Ridiculous.
yes it is its insane to have our leaders plot ways to start a war. we dodged a bullet this time

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Tue 08/05/08 07:23 PM
laugh

Surely you know this is fake, right?

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Tue 08/05/08 07:25 PM
there was a "story" claiming that the US had declared war on Iran..that was the fake story..this other..well.....

madisonman's photo
Tue 08/05/08 07:37 PM

laugh

Surely you know this is fake, right?
the accusations are made by a pullitzer prise winning auther/writer examin his interview the U tube is posted. If he was lieing its slander and knowing ****y Cheneye he would sue him for slander
Its a true story face it man

madisonman's photo
Tue 08/05/08 07:38 PM


laugh

Surely you know this is fake, right?
the accusations are made by a pullitzer prise winning auther/writer examin his interview the U tube is posted. If he was lieing its slander and knowing ****y Cheneye he would sue him for slander
Its a true story face it man
Speaking at the Campus Progress journalism conference earlier this month, Seymour Hersh — a Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist for The New Yorker — revealed that Bush administration officials held a meeting recently in the Vice President’s office to discuss ways to provoke a war with Iran.

In Hersh’s most recent article, he reports that this meeting occurred in the wake of the overblown incident in the Strait of Hormuz, when a U.S. carrier almost shot at a few small Iranian speedboats. The “meeting took place in the Vice-President’s office. ‘The subject was how to create a casus belli between Tehran and Washington,’” according to one of Hersh’s sources.

During the journalism conference event, I asked Hersh specifically about this meeting and if he could elaborate on what occurred. Hersh explained that, during the meeting in Cheney’s office, an idea was considered to dress up Navy Seals as Iranians, put them on fake Iranian speedboats, and shoot at them. This idea, intended to provoke an Iran war, was ultimately rejected:

HERSH: There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war. The one that interested me the most was why don’t we build — we in our shipyard — build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up.

Might cost some lives. And it was rejected because you can’t have Americans killing Americans. That’s the kind of — that’s the level of stuff we’re talking about. Provocation. But that was rejected.

Watch it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slgBr...-for-iran-war/
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Tue 08/05/08 07:59 PM


laugh

Surely you know this is fake, right?
the accusations are made by a pullitzer prise winning auther/writer examin his interview the U tube is posted. If he was lieing its slander and knowing ****y Cheneye he would sue him for slander
Its a true story face it man


WRONG. It would be up to **** Cheney to prove that it was slander, which he couldn't without revealing his schedule and if a meeting really happened in his office with those people, the meeting minutes would have to be released to the court. Since that's not going to happen, this guy won't be charged. It's too ridiculous for me to believe. Some evidence would go a long way, but without something hard to go on, I think it's fake.

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Tue 08/05/08 08:02 PM



laugh

Surely you know this is fake, right?
the accusations are made by a pullitzer prise winning auther/writer examin his interview the U tube is posted. If he was lieing its slander and knowing ****y Cheneye he would sue him for slander
Its a true story face it man


WRONG. It would be up to **** Cheney to prove that it was slander, which he couldn't without revealing his schedule and if a meeting really happened in his office with those people, the meeting minutes would have to be released to the court. Since that's not going to happen, this guy won't be charged. It's too ridiculous for me to believe. Some evidence would go a long way, but without something hard to go on, I think it's fake.
well a pulitzer prize winning auther is a verry good source in my book. Isuppose some people would need a signed confession from these criminals and I dont expect that to be forthcomeing eitherlaugh

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Tue 08/05/08 08:41 PM

well a pulitzer prize winning auther is a verry good source in my book. Isuppose some people would need a signed confession from these criminals and I dont expect that to be forthcomeing eitherlaugh


What does writing skill have to do with the ability to tell the truth? You are making an appeal to authority fallacy. "See, this guy won a prize, he knows what he's talking about.".

Ever heard of Walter Duranty? He won the Pulitzer prize for an article which "debunked" claims of famine in the Soviet Union. The truth, which he admitted to a William Strang, was that he believed 10 million had died from famine. His lies prevented the world from putting political pressure on the Soviet Union, which could have saved many of those lives. One English journalist dubbed him "the greatest liar I have met in journalism". He still has his pulitzer, even though family members of the people who died in that famine have petitioned to have it revoked many times.

And if you look into your source's history, you will find that he believes in fudging the truth in speeches (you are talking about an answer he gave to a reporter following a speech).

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Tue 08/05/08 08:43 PM


well a pulitzer prize winning auther is a verry good source in my book. Isuppose some people would need a signed confession from these criminals and I dont expect that to be forthcomeing eitherlaugh


What does writing skill have to do with the ability to tell the truth? You are making an appeal to authority fallacy. "See, this guy won a prize, he knows what he's talking about.".

Ever heard of Walter Duranty? He won the Pulitzer prize for an article which "debunked" claims of famine in the Soviet Union. The truth, which he admitted to a William Strang, was that he believed 10 million had died from famine. His lies prevented the world from putting political pressure on the Soviet Union, which could have saved many of those lives. One English journalist dubbed him "the greatest liar I have met in journalism". He still has his pulitzer, even though family members of the people who died in that famine have petitioned to have it revoked many times.

And if you look into your source's history, you will find that he believes in fudging the truth in speeches (you are talking about an answer he gave to a reporter following a speech).
They call it denial.......... factor in all the lies told to start the war in iraq and this fits in nicely with it. Good luck with your self delusion. I did my part to help :)

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Tue 08/05/08 09:49 PM
Some people are expressing consternation and disbelief at a report by journalist Seymour Hersh that Vice President **** Cheney had discussed the idea in his office of having some Navy Seals dress up as Iranians, and then putting them in faked Iranian speedboats to make a fake attack on US ships in the Persian Gulf. The ensuing faked battle, with fake Iranians shooting at US ships and US ships firing back, he suggested, could be used to spark a war between the US and Iran.

I don't know why people would find it hard to believe that this vice president would think up an idea like having Americans shoot at other Americans in the interest of his own warped view of national security.

After all, this is a guy who shoots his own friends.

Besides, Cheney is in good company in this kind of thinking. We know from reports of the meeting filed by British intelligence that President Bush engaged in the same kind of thing when he was having trouble getting the country and the rest of the civilized world behind his and Cheney's plan to attack Iraq. It was disclosed years later that in early 2003, Bush suggested to Prime Minister Tony Blair that the US could paint a U-2 spy plane in UN colors and fly it over sensitive parts of Iraqi airspace, so that Saddam Hussein would order it shot down. That, he argued, would anger enough UN member states to win a security resolution to support a war on Iraq, and failing that, would give the US an excuse to go in on its own. Blair was reportedly horrified at this kind of kamikaze thinking--but not horrified enough to expose the president as a nutcase.

So that's where we are today folks. A president and a vice president who both think that it's a great idea to either send some of your own troops under false flags into harm's way to get shot at so you can start a war, or, even worse, to dress up some of your soldiers as the enemy you want to go after, and have them open fire on your own guys so that you can claim you were attacked, and then go to war.

Who gets tricked by all these mad schemes?

Not the Iranians, or in the earlier instance, the Iraqis. They know they aren't attacking American forces. No. It's us, the American people, who are being tricked. Cheney knows that most Americans think the idea of attacking Iran--especially when we're five years into an interminable war in Iraq and seven years into another war in Afghanistan, neither of which has an end in sight--is really, really stupid. So they're trying to think up a way to trick us into supporting doing such a stupid thing. And the only thing they can come up with to overcome our reticence is making us think that our guys are being attacked.

Now let me say that I've been a skeptic about people who claim the 9-11 attacks were an "inside job"--that the US government actually organized those attacks. I know all the arguments and evidence, but it always seemed to me that it was over the top to think that our leaders would try to deliberately kill Americans in order to achieve some policy goal. And yet, here we have **** Cheney, the real brains (such as they are) behind the Bush administration, discussing a plan, using American forces, to fake an attack on other American forces.

It makes me wonder whether maybe Cheney deliberately shot his friend Harry Whittington, either to flush those damned elusive quail he was after, or so that he could generate public sympathy for the embattled President Bush. And it even makes me wonder whether crazy **** actually did have a hand in bringing down those Twin Towers. He may be too stupid to pull something like that off, but he has made it clear that it isn't moral scruples that would prevent him from doing such a monstrous thing.

As ludicrous, pathetic and outrageous as this administration is, we need to take this latest Hersh report seriously. It seems clear that Cheney has a predilection for using fratricide to achieve his nefarious ends.

It's one thing when he does it with his own rifle, though. It's another when he does it with the world's most mighty military machine.
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madisonman's photo
Mon 08/11/08 11:09 AM

laugh

Surely you know this is fake, right?
did you find the truth yet? drinker

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Mon 08/11/08 11:27 AM


laugh

Surely you know this is fake, right?
did you find the truth yet? drinker
Yea. Its all BS. Apperently you have not much dealings with the media and politions. Don't believe everything you hear. As for a puitzer prize winner, they are only human and do the same things as others. Look at Jimmy Carter. He was the worst pres there was, but he turned out to be one of the greatest humanitarians there ever was.

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Mon 08/11/08 11:35 AM



laugh

Surely you know this is fake, right?
did you find the truth yet? drinker
Yea. Its all BS. Apperently you have not much dealings with the media and politions. Don't believe everything you hear. As for a puitzer prize winner, they are only human and do the same things as others. Look at Jimmy Carter. He was the worst pres there was, but he turned out to be one of the greatest humanitarians there ever was.
sorry bro you are wrong its the real deal

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