The bombing on The King David Hotel killed 45 British Citizens and 41 Jews among others.

The Deir Yassin massacre was the slaughter of 120 plus unarmed palestianians. Men, Women, and Children.

There are plenty of eyewitness's to the Deir Yassin Massacre. Some by members of the Irgun. One such is recounted by Meir Pa'il an Israeli spy!

A few minutes after Yaki left, it must have been around 11:00 o�clock, I wasn�t paying attention to the time. Anyhow, after the Palmach guys left, I started hearing shooting in the village. The fighting was over, yet there was the sound of firing of all kinds from different houses. Sporadic firing, not like you would hear when they clear a house. I took my chap with me and went to see what was happening. We went into houses. They were typical Arab houses. Most of the houses there are one-story, though there are a few two story houses like the Mukhtar�s house and a few others. In the corners we saw dead bodies. Almost all the dead were old people, children or women, with a few men here and there. They stood them up in the corners and shot them. In another corner there were some more bodies, in the next house more bodies and so on.

http://www.ariga.com/peacewatch/dy/dypail.htm

Another one! A swiss Red Cross worker.

Jacques de Reynier's eyewitness account: Jacques de Reynier was a French-Swiss Representative of the International Red Cross. He came to the village on April 11. He reported:-

"... a total of more than 200 dead, men, women, and children. About 150 cadavers have not been preserved inside the village in view of the danger represented by the bodies' decomposition. They have been gathered, transported some distance, and placed in a large trough (I have not been able to establish if this is a pit, a grain silo, or a large natural excavation). ... [One body was] a woman who must have been eight months pregnant, hit in the stomach, with powder burns on her dress indicating she'd been shot point-blank.".[48]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre#cite_note-47

This was not a bombing!
Again, from Meir Pa'il,

Deir Yassin was a quiet village, that had a pact with us that had been approved by Yitzhak Navon, then Head of the Arab section of the Haganah Jerusalem Intelligence Service and later President of Israel. The people of Deir Yassin had kept to the pact.

http://www.ariga.com/peacewatch/dy/dypail.htm

Hamas was elected by the people of Palestine(in a landslide), so regardless of what they've done prior, they deserve recognition as a legitimate governing power -- they represent an awful lot of people. I don't like that they're in power either, they're fundamental religious nuts -- and don't contribute much to fostering peace in the region (though neither does Israel.) Because the previous government was so bad(Yassir Arafat), it would be hard to convince most Palestinians that Hamas is no good for them. Perhaps in time we'll see the group even out into a more west-friendly attitude. What ever they've done though seems to work, the people eat. Just needs more neutral leadership. I could definitely note worse governments.

The King David Hotel bombing! 22 July, 1946

Moshe Sneh, chief of the Haganah General Headquarters, sent a letter to the then leader of the Irgun, Menachem Begin, which instructed: [1]

At the earliest possible opportunity, you are to carry out the operation at the "chick" (code for the King David Hotel) and at the house of "your servant and messiah" (code for the David Brothers building). Inform me of the date. Preferably at the same time. Do not reveal the identity of the implementing body - either by announcing it explicitly or by hinting.
We too are preparing something - will inform you of details in good time.
Exclude TA (Tel Aviv) from any plan of action. We are all interested in preserving TA - as the center of Yishuv life and the center of our own activities. If, as the result of any action, TA is immobilized (i.e., curfew, arrests), this will paralyze us and our plans as well. And the important objects of the other side are not focused here. Hence, TA is 'out of bounds' for the forces of Israel. 1.7.46. M. (Moshe Sneh)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing#cite_note-0
The original letter can be found in the Jabotinsky Institute
Archives (k-4 1/11/5).

After the weapons had been distributed, the first unit - the group of "porters" - commanded by Yosef Avni, set out. Their assignment was to reach the hotel by bus and to wait at the side entrance so as to assist in unloading the explosives from the van when it arrived. All six "porters" were disguised as Arabs so as to avoid arousing suspicion. The strike force left next in a van loaded with seven milk-churns, each containing 50 kilograms of explosives and special detonators. The commander of the operation, Yisrael Levi (Gidon), rode in the van dressed as a Sudanese waiter, while his deputy, Heinrich Reinhold (Yanai), and the other members of the unit, were dressed as Arabs. The van drove through the streets of Jerusalem, its tarpaulin cover concealing the milk-churns and the passengers, and halted at the side entrance of the hotel, through which foodstuffs were brought into the basement 'La Regence' restaurant. The fighters easily overcame the guards by the gate and hastened to the basement, where they searched all the rooms, and assembled the workers in the restaurant kitchen. They then returned to the van, brought the milk-churns into the restaurant, and placed them beside the supporting pillars . Gidon set the time fuses for 30 minutes, and ordered his men to leave. The staff gathered in the kitchen were told to leave the building 10 minutes later to avoid injury.

During the withdrawal from the basement, heavy gunfire was levelled at the group and two fighters were injured. One of them, Aharon Abramovitch, later died of his wounds.

For ten days, the British Engineering Corps cleared the wreckage, and on July 31 it was officially announced that 91 people had been killed in the explosion: 28 Britons, 41 Arabs, 17 Jews and 5 others.
http://www.etzel.org.il/english/ac10.htm


Another count of the casualties,
91 people were killed, most of them staff of the hotel or Secretariat: 28 British citizens, 41 Arabs, 17 Jews, and 5 others. Around 45 people were injured. Some of the deaths and injuries occurred in the road outside the hotel and in adjacent buildings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing#Terrorism

Terrorist actions like these, too numerous to mention, are how Israel carved a State out of Palestine.
To call Hamas a terrorist group without admitting that Israel is a terrorist state (a state created through terrorist activities) is not justifiable.

"Terrorist actions" is a fairly broad terminology. Under it's technical meaning -- most all nations are guilty of some form of terrorism or another. I don't think I can name a single nation that didn't gain independence out of war.

Why not, they are

http://www.adl.org/main_israel/hamas_facts.htm

just try to dispute this document

Hamas - advocates killing of civilians
- openly teaches/broadcasts hatred of jews
- sponsors and carries out intentional killing of civilians




the principle tactics of Hamas are bus bombings,
and suicide bombings of cafes and markets. activities
which are considered war crimes impermissible even
during war.

there is no fundamental difference between their
tactics and those of hizbollah and al qaida. they
are terrorists. you know - guys who try to intimidate
by violent attacks on civilians. that's how they work.

I dont think you are talking to me, but I give it my opinion.

First, I never said Hamas didn't kill Jews. That statement however is not necessary as I will show.

Look at your source! LMAO
It's a terrorist source and extremely bias!

http://www.adl.org/main_israel/hamas_facts.htm

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I've already shown proof of the Israeli groups the Irgun and Stern gang. Both who were listed as Terrorist organizations by the British before Israel secured a country from Palestine.
Both were led by eventual PM of Israel, and one of them has been proven to have been directed to perform the bombing of The King David Hotel by Moshe Sneh, chief of the Haganah General Headquarters.

You can look up who they are yourself. They Haganah was a Jewish paramilitary organization in what was then the British Mandate of Palestine from 1920 to 1948, which later became the core of the Israel Defense Forces.

The web-site you chose belongs to the ADL (Anti-Defamation League).
They are an organization set up for the sole purpose of spreading Israeli propaganda and hiding the truth from citizens of western countries.

Nice try though!

All right all this stuff has made me think that we are also terrorists in are own way. If you want to talk about bombings. In early 1943 way in to 1945 we fire bomb the japanese home island. killing more then both the atom bombs did in may 1945.
The Japanese are terrorist to by flying there planes into ships killing people and you cant say thats any different then 911. For the fact is it caused large amounts of terror in the ships that had been hit and even ships that hadn't been hit.
We bombed Berlin to the ground along with the British and Russians but isn't this being a terrorist. We caused terror to them. Did we not.

You forgot the fire bombing of Dresden. That mission was done to instill terror. So many incendiaries dropped that it created a firestorm.


As for Hamas ............ I suppose it depends on which side of the barriers you live.

The international observers said that the Palestinians including those in Gaza are living in terrible conditions thanks to Israel occupation .

How can you compare Dresden to the terrorist attacks by the Israeli groups Irgun and the Stern gang?

Maybe a war crime but not terrorism!

Nor the kamakazi attacks by the japanese.

its amazing to me everything israel does our government backs them. but if your an American. and you don't like Israel. your a Jew hater, either side is right. israel or hamas. both kill children. one is no better then the other, so if you call one a terrorist, but don't call the other a terrorist's how that don't seem right.

The Zionists control America and work hard for Israel . The people of America should wake up and
see reality .

Double Post .

it seems that groups that must call terrorist. or called bye other people freedom fighters, i don't call the IRA terrorist's all how you look at life.

Anyone who kills INNOCENT people and spreads terror is a terrorist regardless to their nationality or their religion .
The word terrorist is from terror .