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Topic: WHAT IF - WE ALL - GOT IT WRONG
tribo's photo
Thu 07/17/08 11:15 AM
What if i, JB, Abra, Belushi, and the other's - as well as those Christian's present, ALL have it wrong?

What if god does exist? After all, he doesn't say he created us "perfect" - it merely states that in the beginning that - "and he saw it was good". What if it is our "free will" that got us where were at now? all full of ourselves? All of us not just some of us. What if god is not "the god" but one who has emotions that he goes by? That does act to a degree as his creation? And their remains another force beyond that that is in no way like the god that created us?

what if????????????????????????????????????????


From your local DA oops pitchfork laugh :tongue:

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Thu 07/17/08 11:18 AM

What if i, JB, Abra, Belushi, and the other's - as well as those Christian's present, ALL have it wrong?

What if god does exist? After all, he doesn't say he created us "perfect" - it merely states that in the beginning that - "and he saw it was good". What if it is our "free will" that got us where were at now? all full of ourselves? All of us not just some of us. What if god is not "the god" but one who has emotions that he goes by? That does act to a degree as his creation? And their remains another force beyond that that is in no way like the god that created us?

what if????????????????????????????????????????


From your local DA oops pitchfork laugh :tongue:

Then we are all scewed up....rofl rofl .

tribo's photo
Thu 07/17/08 11:25 AM


What if i, JB, Abra, Belushi, and the other's - as well as those Christian's present, ALL have it wrong?

What if god does exist? After all, he doesn't say he created us "perfect" - it merely states that in the beginning that - "and he saw it was good". What if it is our "free will" that got us where were at now? all full of ourselves? All of us not just some of us. What if god is not "the god" but one who has emotions that he goes by? That does act to a degree as his creation? And their remains another force beyond that that is in no way like the god that created us?

what if????????????????????????????????????????


From your local DA oops pitchfork laugh :tongue:

Then we are all scewed up....rofl rofl .



exactly my point! - :tongue:

Belushi's photo
Thu 07/17/08 12:47 PM
Ah, the old Pascal's Wager...

What if the Muslims are right?
What if the Buddhists are right?
What if the Shintoists are right?
What if the Hindus are right?

You might get reincarnated into a worm!

What about the Jews, or the Catholics? If ANY one of them are right, what happens to you?

Think of the risks you are taking!

The VAST MAJORITY of the world do not believe the same as you. How can billions of Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists all be wrong?

They all think you're the one going to hell.

Do you think you have lost nothing in this wager?

I say you have bet and lost your intellect. You have sacrificed your reason on the altar of your god, in hopes of future reward. The bribery of eternal life can make you believe anything...

What if my understanding of the world is wrong? What if all the evidence for a natural origin of life and humanity has been misinterpreted by all the scientific and educational institutions of the world, and my godless view of the universe is invalid?

Well, to quote Robert Green Ingersoll:

"Why," they say to me, "suppose all this should turn out to be true, and you should come to the day of Judgment and find all these things to be true. What would you do then?"

I would walk up like a man, and say, "I was mistaken."

"And suppose God was about to pass judgment upon you, what would you say?"

I would say to him: "Do unto others as you would that others should do unto you." Why not? I am told that I must render good for evil. I am told that if smitten on one cheek I must turn the other. I am told that I must overcome evil with good. I am told that I must love my enemies; and will it do for this God who tells me to love my enemies to damn his? No, it will not do. It will not do."


But I don't think this is a situation which is going to occur. I don't accept it, because there is no reason, no evidence, to do so.

I am unconvinced.

Some have answered this argument saying that it is not for God to do as He would have done to Him, for he is the lawgiver.

Is this a classic case of "Do as I say, not as I do"?

Would you tell your five year old son not to strike other children, and yet as soon as he talks back to you, you slap him in the mouth?

That would make you a hypocrite.

Just like the christian/muslim/jewish god is a hypocrite.

Abracadabra's photo
Thu 07/17/08 01:18 PM
"And suppose God was about to pass judgment upon you, what would you say?"

I would say to him: "Do unto others as you would that others should do unto you." Why not? I am told that I must render good for evil. I am told that if smitten on one cheek I must turn the other. I am told that I must overcome evil with good. I am told that I must love my enemies; and will it do for this God who tells me to love my enemies to damn his? No, it will not do. It will not do."


Absolutely. A God that couldn't even live up to it's own preachings would clearly be a hypocrite.

Why people can't see that these religions are clearly manmade ramblings is beyond me. No God could be the pathethic.

tribo's photo
Thu 07/17/08 04:12 PM
thnx guys i knew i could count on you for your input. laugh

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Thu 07/17/08 04:20 PM
I think I told you my opinion on this question. Did you miss it?

IT DOES NOT MATTER.

Ask me if I care if I am wrong. ..... Nope
Ask me if I am sure I am right....... Nope

Do you want to know why?

BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER.

It really doesn't matter. ohwell flowerforyou :banana: :banana:

So just keep on dancing.

JB



Milesoftheusa's photo
Thu 07/17/08 04:24 PM
What if?

Well the vast majority does. It says that when the son of perdition comes if it were possible even the very elect would be decieved.

The elect. 144,000 in Rev. 14.. Those who are the great crowd who gives thier life for messiah in a short time span as Satan goes after the remenant of Rev 12:17.. We see them Rev 15.

But Billions get it wrong still.

Yahweh is just fair and Holy. He is not a parent who would torture the very creation he made in his own image for ever and ever.


The lie we go to heaven at Death or Hell. Is just that a lie foriegn to the scriptures.


If not then Yahshua was not the 1st born of the dead it was the thief on the stake.

No death and sleep are alike.

Both have no rememberance of time. Yahweh is equal to all. The the 1st will be last and the last 1st.


No Yahweh judges his people by what they know and what they do with it.


The heathon who never knew the scriptures but was a good hearted kind person will be judged and enter.

Then the Pastor who knows better and teaches his congregation a lie (allmost all of them) to keep his job. Will be judged as a liar and no liars will enter the Kingdom.


So if you are going to quote scripture on here as truth when deep down you know you are really refusing to change.. and that can be anyone..

Remember NO LIAR'S WILL BE IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN....Blessings of Shalom....Miles

no photo
Thu 07/17/08 04:30 PM
Well ,some are going to be wrong : not all the beliefs are going to be right .

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Thu 07/17/08 04:31 PM
Remember NO LIAR'S WILL BE IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN....Blessings of Shalom....Miles



If that is true, then the Kingdom of Heaven is going to be a mighty empty place.

JB

tribo's photo
Thu 07/17/08 05:13 PM

I think I told you my opinion on this question. Did you miss it?

IT DOES NOT MATTER.

Ask me if I care if I am wrong. ..... Nope
Ask me if I am sure I am right....... Nope

Do you want to know why?

BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER.

It really doesn't matter. ohwell flowerforyou :banana: :banana:

So just keep on dancing.

JB

yep, you sure did, more than once i believe - thnx goddess - flowerforyou




Milesoftheusa's photo
Thu 07/17/08 05:13 PM
you can always change. It is when you lie for gain or to hurt someone to save yourself. Yea i agree thier will be alot of church folk done away with and the memory of them will be wiped from the peoples minds. But they will not suffer long at all...Shalom..Miles

tribo's photo
Thu 07/17/08 05:15 PM

Remember NO LIAR'S WILL BE IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN....Blessings of Shalom....Miles



If that is true, then the Kingdom of Heaven is going to be a mighty empty place.

JB




sometimes you just crack me up laugh

s1owhand's photo
Thu 07/17/08 05:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFGrQMD6Uqc

tribo's photo
Thu 07/17/08 05:56 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFGrQMD6Uqc


cute - laugh

RainbowTrout's photo
Fri 07/18/08 08:11 AM
If we all have it wrong? What a wonderful existentialist point of view. It wouldn't matter because we don't exist.laugh

Jess642's photo
Fri 07/18/08 02:27 PM
BFD.....

What are the chances with over 6 billion differing opinions...being individuals with free will n' all...:wink: of anyone being right????


Bwah hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!laugh laugh laugh

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Fri 07/18/08 02:44 PM
doesnt matter..Im jewish..Im in like flint either way...:tongue:

tribo's photo
Fri 07/18/08 03:07 PM

BFD.....

What are the chances with over 6 billion differing opinions...being individuals with free will n' all...:wink: of anyone being right????


Bwah hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!laugh laugh laugh



must be bored, huh jess?laugh

tribo's photo
Fri 07/18/08 03:07 PM

doesnt matter..Im jewish..Im in like flint either way...:tongue:



is flint jewish?? laugh

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