I would not expect you to understand what is really happening seeming how you probably haven'tbeen outside your livingroom. Our mission right now in Iraq is to prevent a civil war from wiping the country out. That's at least why the SOLDIERS are fighting. We have more behind the scene knowledge than those who just use TV and newspapers. For those so intent on attacking my credibility, i do not support our original decision of going to Iraq. It was bad timing. But when someone attacks us on our own soil the worst thing we can do is negociate. By doing this we are encouraging further attacks. Human nature. You kinda need to know a thing or two about psychology. Even if we pissed them off, we need to retaliate once attacked. But, someone who doesn't get out much, or hasn't met the people of that country may not understand. It should be swift, and to the point, and it should hurt. At the same time thought should be given into why they are upset and what this country really needs to be doing. Honestly, we need to cut back on government programs, give more power to the states, make it harder to get across our borders undetected, and most importantly become more self suficient. But we really need to stop messing around with everybody's business overseas. It's like we are doing the U.N.'s job. Screw that, if they can't do their job just let the world go to hell. (Not saying it actually would, but we do need a, "i will stay out of your business if you stay out of mine" mentality.

What i don't get is the oversimplification that everyone is making. Why are all soldiers bad? By appying common sense how the hell can you justify that people only become soldiers when they are too lazy, or unable to make it in the real world. If the person making these accusations were even one quarter the person that these young men and women are, they wouldn't even try to make the argument. Soldiers are underpaid, and they work harder and put in more hours than most anybody on the planet.

The problem lies more in the fact that we do a half assed job of things, because politicians are the ones that run military operations now. Screw that. Politicians have no place on the battlefield. But by that same reasoning, wars should only be started under extreme circumstances. (Hence 9/11, Pearl Harbor, etc.)

Remember, think critically. Try not being so biased against people that are trying to do good things. (Which is what MOST soldiers are trying to do.)

I will try to keep my mouth shut as it seems too many people are becoming too thickheaded to hear any other side of any argument.

I am taking much offense at the laughing symbols. Death is never a laughing matter, unless of course, you are sociopathic...

Anyway, you and i both know things are being halfassed and they carry no explanation behind that. This is why i don't think politicians should run anything. There really are some pushing for globalization, and under that same theory the U.N. is supposed to end up being the "world military", which is why i don't necesarily have a problem from withdrawing from it.

Unfortunately none of us here have enough info to make a definate call on this matter. I emphasize NONE. Unless you were a former president, or leader from another country, or CEO of a major company, etc.

Grow up!!!!

Nothing likes IGNORANCE to fuel stupiditity we work hard to make our homes safe and out communities then our towns and cities our state and our country the we have some one come over here with the entent to destrory everything we stand for which includes your right to bit.ch and moan when all you offer is LIP SERVICE when our ALL "VOLINTIRE MILITARY" go over seas and willingly defend your right to remain blind complacent ethocentric not to mention plain stupid sitting back in the comfort of you nice safe home enjoying you airconditioning with you cool drink in you hand playing away on you PC ( "personal" computer you guys should get on you knees and thank GOD were not like Nazi Germany if we were all you weak minded would be the first to go it is here in AMERICA where we defend the weak and in ya"lls case the weak minded and take cake of our aging altho we can and hopefuly are working on doing a better job and give every one reguardless of race religion or ethnic back ground the oppertunity to be the best they choose to be. Get off you lazy AZZes and start being part of the solution instead of being part of the problem the the rest of the world would see us more united and would be less tempted to try and devide us for the defeat. complete with typo's bad gramer miss spellings for those who want something else to bit;ch about

I always listen to you my brother
I may not always agree with you, but I know what you say comes from a commitment most will never understand.
I listen because you will always be my brother!

Follow Me!!!

Well, if you mean my living room is one hour from the border of Israel in the Middle East - That would be right now, by the way
Or my living room was in Myanmar, being held to ransom by pirates. (thats Burma, dontcha know)
Or my living room was a Malaysian jail cell with murderers, rapists and drug dealers
Or my living room was being in Moscow after the wall came down
Or my living room was Laos or Cambodia, or Egypt or Sudan ... you know f'k all about me

I have forgotten more than you will ever know about the Middle East and I have underwear older than you, so dont try and tell me about life, the universe or ANYTHING!



What about the civil war in Sudan - oh thats right, no oil

Have you ever known a civil war that emptied a country of all its people .. No. Of course you havent. It doesnt happen

What about the civil war in Chad - oh thats right there's no oil there either.



Oh wait ... I thought you were doing them a favour, by preventing them killing themselves.
So now it has gone from humanitarian to revenge.



Absolute crap! you need to know a bit about psychology of the guerilla tactic and also about Muslims (which you obviously dont)
If you invade his homeland, he has now nothing to lose. So he will give his life.
In fact he will willingly give his life because he will end up in a better place (so he thinks)


Well let me think!
1) Invasion of the country
2) Murder of innocents
3) Oppressive behaviour.

Is that enough for you?

Oh sorry what the US AND the UK need to do? ... you need to leave - now!


Now that is the only sensible thing you have said so far.

The grunt on the ground is only bad when he follows illegal orders.
the higher-ups are following the politicians who use the forces for their own gains.

so, if I am correct, doesnt it say in the Marine Corps manual that a Marine has the right to refuse an illegal order?

So, why then are they still in Iraq?

This is what the beef most people have with the US/UK being in Iraq.

But this was about the slaughter of 9 US service men.

I didnt start to disrespect them, I just said that they shouldnt be there.

That isnt disrespect, its incredulity about the fact they are still there getting butt-fk'd

Mr Belushi :
You are perfectly right .
The Administration and media propaganda made a robot from the American public .
Even when they kill innocent people they do not admit to tyranny , murders ,and injustice . When you talk to them as if you are talking to a wall .
Shame and disgrace .

Ohhh those Canadians. The shame and disgrace.

America declares wars on the weakest , poorest people on earth . It takes a monster to do that .
.

Yep, that makes every single American bad - even the children.
Sheesh.

Sam,
You should become an American!

Why would you insult him like that ... LMAO!!! (Joke, people!)

Anyway, Fanta, you are only a transplanted Brit ... Lizzie has asked me about you ...
She didnt get your birthday card. Did you send it via Canada?

Did you even read what i had to say my friend. You cannot lecture me about any sort of guerilla tactic unless you had years of experience and training from it. This i have had my friend. Also you really need to read what i wrote before commenting. We are preventing the civil war in Iraq not Afganistan. Iraq didn't attack us. I'm not that dumb. To understand the mentality of these people you have to look at previous rulers. You have to fight back so hard they don't want to mess with you again. If you give them an inch, or even try, they will start to walk all over you.

For instance, lets say we we didn't do anything after 9/11. Or better yet, lets say we gave into what they wanted us to do. This would encourage further violence to get whatever they wanted from us. the term is called "positive reinforcement". Read a psychology book.

If you are so much smarter than us why don't you give us an example of what you would do instead of just talk trash about what supposedly we did wrong. Maybe get a little CONSTRUCTIVE criticism going instead of insults.

Im petrified. One of my closest friends is in training at Ft Bragg right now, leaves for Afghanistan the end of Aug. He has 4 days off at the end of training were going to spend together...Im just terrified.

Its very easy.

Leave ... I think I may have said that before too. So, I would suggest you take your own advice, and read the post before replying.

Leave Iraq.
Leave Afghanistan.

What gives the govts of the US & the UK the rights to invade countries, depose leaders and then try and re-establish order.

Nothing.

Guerilla tactics? I may have a little bit of experience in this.
But that doesnt matter. It has nothing to do with guerilla tactics it has to do with human psychology.

You and your girlfriend are having the mother of all arguments, and if I broke into your house, and started rummaging through your girlfriend's underwear drawer and you caught me. You would be less than pleased.
So you try and stop me.

But I am 7 foot tall and 350lbs and I have a bat, which, I am not adverse to using on you.
So you go for your gun. I take it off you and then beat you some more

Then I force you and your g/f downstairs and threaten to beat the sh1t out of you unless she makes me breakfast.

So you go for a sharp knife and you wound me. Not badly, but enough to make me really angry. So I not only beat you, but your g/f gets a kicking too.

How do you feel now?
Angry?
Debased?
Full of hate at the complete lack of respect I am showing for your g/f

What would you like me to do? Die? Leave you and your girlfriend alone to sort out your differences?

Of course you would.
I am an unwelcome intruder in your home.

This is the analogy that has the US/UK as a 7foot brute with no respect.

Why would you go for a gun when I have beaten you already?
Why the knife, knowing how unstable I am.

The reason is that you have nothing but contempt for me and you think you can take me on. But you cannot. That doesnt stop you from trying though.

You have nothing to lose but your life.

Human psychology. We are nothing more than animals who act on instinct.

Both the US and the UK has problems of its own. Its social systems are shot, there are millions of people starving in civilised cities. IN YOUR CITIES!

Spend the money on a well-trained defence force. Like Switzerland. So no one can invade you
They dont have terrorism problems. Because they dont invade

Stop involving yourself in other countries disputes.

So you should be ... he will not be the same when he comes back.

We are all aware of this. Why do you have to post doom and gloom. Why not post something positive. Do you get pleasure out of posting how US soldiers are being killed.

so you are stalking all my posts now ...
Thats nice.

HEY GUYS!!
I got a stalker!

Go ahead ... play Misty for me ...

Excuse me??? our soldiers are there as well.......didnt you know this?? My son wants to be a soldier....he has no IDEA JUST LIKE MOST OF THESE KIDS.........and they are kids!!!