I know you are doing research and are also , just wanting to know and hear different views.
All Understandable.

Here is an article for you, by a former atheist.
Be Blessed Now.

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.............Does God Exist?..................

Is there proof of God?

The following offers candid, straight-forward reasons to believe in the existence of God...


By Marilyn Adamson


Just once wouldn't you love for someone to simply show you the evidence for God's existence? No arm-twisting. No statements of, "You just have to believe." Well, here is an attempt to candidly offer some of the reasons which suggest that God exists.

But first consider this. If a person opposes even the possibility of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It is like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon, then no amount of information is going to change their thinking. Photographs of astronauts walking on the moon, interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks...all the evidence would be worthless, because the person has already concluded that people cannot go to the moon.

When it comes to the possibility of God's existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God.1 On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you."2 Before you look at the facts surrounding God's existence, ask yourself, If God does exist, would I want to know him? Here then, are some reasons to consider...

1. Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
Many examples showing God's design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:

The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4

Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.

Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5

Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.

Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6

2. Does God exist? The human brain's complexity shows a higher intelligence behind it.
The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.

The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. A brain that deals with more than a million pieces of information every second, while evaluating its importance and allowing you to act on the most pertinent information... did it come about just by chance? Was it merely biological causes, perfectly forming the right tissue, blood flow, neurons, structure? The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people. How does one explain the human brain?

3. Does God exist? "Chance" or "natural causes" are insufficient explanations.
The alternative to God existing is that all that exists around us came about by natural cause and random chance. If someone is rolling dice, the odds of rolling a pair of sixes is one thing. But the odds of spots appearing on blank dice is something else. What Pasteur attempted to prove centuries ago, science confirms, that life cannot arise from non-life. Where did human, animal, plant life come from?

Also, natural causes are an inadequate explanation for the amount of precise information contained in human DNA. A person who discounts God is left with the conclusion that all of this came about without cause, without design, and is merely good fortune. It is intellectually wanting to observe intricate design and attribute it to luck.

4. Does God exist? To state with certainty that there is no God, a person has to ignore the passion of an enormously vast number of people who are convinced that there is a God.
This is not to say that if enough people believe something it is therefore true. Scientists, for example, have discovered new truths about the universe which overruled previous conclusions. But as science has progressed, no scientific discovery has countered the numerical likelihood of an intelligent mind being behind it all. In fact, the more science discovers about human life and the universe, the more complex and precisely designed we realize these to be. Rather than pointing away from God, evidence mounts further toward an intelligent source. But objective evidence is not all.

There is a much larger issue. Throughout history, billions of people in the world have attested to their firm, core convictions about God's existence -- arrived at from their subjective, personal relationship with God. Millions today could give detailed account of their experience with God. They would point to answered prayer and specific, amazing ways God has met their needs, and guided them through important personal decisions. They would offer, not only a description of their beliefs, but detailed reports of God's actions in their lives. Many are sure that a loving God exists and has shown himself to be faithful to them. If you are a skeptic, can you say with certainty: "I am absolutely right and they all are wrong about God"?

5. Does God exist? We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him.
I was an atheist at one time. And like most atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What is it about atheists that we would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that we don't believe even exists?! What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people...to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded. To be honest, I also had another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go about my life.

I didn't realize that the reason the topic of God weighed so heavily on my mind, was because God was pressing the issue. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us. It was as if I couldn't escape thinking about the possibility of God. In fact, the day I chose to acknowledge God's existence, my prayer began with, "Ok, you win..." It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively pursuing them.

I am not the only one who has experienced this. Malcolm Muggeridge, socialist and philosophical author, wrote, "I had a notion that somehow, besides questing, I was being pursued." C.S. Lewis said he remembered, "...night after night, feeling whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all of England."

Lewis went on to write a book titled, "Surprised by Joy" as a result of knowing God. I too had no expectations other than rightfully admitting God's existence. Yet over the following several months, I became amazed by his love for me.

6. Does God exist? Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God pursuing us.
Why Jesus? Look throughout the major world religions and you'll find that Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius and Moses all identified themselves as teachers or prophets. None of them ever claimed to be equal to God. Surprisingly, Jesus did. That is what sets Jesus apart from all the others. He said God exists and you're looking at him. Though he talked about his Father in heaven, it was not from the position of separation, but of very close union, unique to all humankind. Jesus said that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father, anyone who believed in him, believed in the Father.

He said, "I am the light of the world, he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."8 He claimed attributes belonging only to God: to be able to forgive people of their sin, free them from habits of sin, give people a more abundant life and give them eternal life in heaven. Unlike other teachers who focused people on their words, Jesus pointed people to himself. He did not say, "follow my words and you will find truth." He said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me."9

What proof did Jesus give for claiming to be divine? He did what people can't do. Jesus performed miracles. He healed people...blind, crippled, deaf, even raised a couple of people from the dead. He had power over objects...created food out of thin air, enough to feed crowds of several thousand people. He performed miracles over nature...walked on top of a lake, commanding a raging storm to stop for some friends. People everywhere followed Jesus, because he constantly met their needs, doing the miraculous. He said if you do not want to believe what I'm telling you, you should at least believe in me based on the miracles you're seeing.10

Jesus Christ showed God to be gentle, loving, aware of our self-centeredness and shortcomings, yet deeply wanting a relationship with us. Jesus revealed that although God views us as sinners, worthy of his punishment, his love for us ruled and God came up with a different plan. God himself took on the form of man and accepted the punishment for our sin on our behalf. Sounds ludicrous? Perhaps, but many loving fathers would gladly trade places with their child in a cancer ward if they could. The Bible says that the reason we would love God is because he first loved us.

Jesus died in our place so we could be forgiven. Of all the religions known to humanity, only through Jesus will you see God reaching toward humanity, providing a way for us to have a relationship with him. Jesus proves a divine heart of love, meeting our needs, drawing us to himself. Because of Jesus' death and resurrection, he offers us a new life today. We can be forgiven, fully accepted by God and genuinely loved by God. He says, "I have loved you with an everlasting love, therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you."11 This is God, in action.

Does God exist? If you want to know, investigate Jesus Christ. We're told that "God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."12

God does not force us to believe in him, though he could. Instead, he has provided sufficient proof of his existence for us to willingly respond to him. The earth's perfect distance from the sun, the unique chemical properties of water, the human brain, DNA, the number of people who attest to knowing God, the gnawing in our hearts and minds to determine if God is there, the willingness for God to be known through Jesus Christ. If you need to know more about Jesus and reasons to believe in him, please see: Beyond Blind Faith.

If you want to begin a relationship with God now, you can.
This is your decision, no coercion here. But if you want to be forgiven by God and come into a relationship with him, you can do so right now by asking him to forgive you and come into your life. Jesus said, "Behold, I stand at the door [of your heart] and knock. He who hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into him [or her]."13 If you want to do this, but aren't sure how to put it into words, this may help: "Jesus, thank you for dying for my sins. You know my life and that I need to be forgiven. I ask you to forgive me right now and come into my life. I want to know you in a real way. Come into my life now. Thank you that you wanted a relationship with me. Amen."

God views your relationship with him as permanent. Referring to all those who believe in him, Jesus Christ said of us, "I know them, and they follow me; and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand."14

So, does God exist? Looking at all these facts, one can conclude that a loving God does exist and can be known in an intimate, personal way. If you need more information about Jesus' claim to divinity, or about God's existence, or if you have similar important questions, please email us.


I just asked Jesus into my life (some helpful information follows)...

I may want to ask Jesus into my life, please explain this more fully...

I have a question...


About the Author: As a former atheist, Marilyn Adamson found it difficult to refute the continuously answered prayers and quality of life of a close friend. In challenging the beliefs of her friend, Marilyn was amazed to learn the wealth of objective evidence pointing to the existence of God. After about a year of persistent questioning, she responded to God's offer to come into her life and has found faith in Him to be constantly substantiated and greatly rewarding.

(1) Romans 1:19-21
(2) Jeremiah 29:13-14
(3) R.E.D. Clark, Creation (London: Tyndale Press, 1946), p. 20
(4) The Wonders of God's Creation, Moody Institute of Science (Chicago, IL)
(5) Ibid.
(6) Ibid.
(7) Ibid.
(8) John 8:12
(9) John 14:6
(10) John 14:11
(11) Jeremiah 31:3
(12) John 3:16
(13) Revelation 3:20
(14) John 10:27-29



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Even this long article doesn't proof that god exists! It is only a judgement of a persons mind. Many of the things he stated was discovered by scientist from researching and figuring out how things occurred or are.

I understand what christians are saying. They say the belief in the relationship of god, which gives them faith.

The problem is that most atheists have a hard time believing in something they personally cannot feel or see and therefore lack the faith and relationship in a god. This leads to not believing at all.

If you look at my profile I am non religous and not atheist, but I do find it compelling what atheists say.

Non religous means I don't believe in man made religions, but that doesn't exclude that I am not spiritual.

Now I could reply step by step to this article, but I won't do this. Just remember there is always a contradiction to every thing said on this post. In the long run it will only be a stalemate debate for we don't know if their is a god or not.

Yes, yes I know you believe there is one and many do also, but some of the greatest minds the world has known have also become atheists and don't believe. Look at the list at the bottom of my profile and you will see. They could be absolutely right or absolutely wrong.

and please do me a favor don't reply with a christian verse or scripture from the bible saying ,"well it says this and this!"

The fact is many don't believe in a piece of work written 2000 years ago that has been altered many many times to where today many theologists argue today what was said.

yet thank you for the article, it was educational and whatever suits your fancy or gives you bliss then continue it. I always like to see a happy smile.

yours truly smiless

Smiless, it is FAITH to BELIEVE that gives us RELATIONSHIP with God, not the other way around.

But that FAITH to Believe, is NOT just going to happen, just because someone is sharing about Faith with you.
Your heart has to be READY to recieve.

God does the drawing and the preparing to become ready to recieve, not man..and God knows when that time will come.......when you will beleive...but it wil not be when man says it should be.
God Knows that time.

So therefore, in all sincerity, all the sharing in the world ,will not make anyone believe ,Smiless....only God can do that.

But Faith Does Come ....and Will Come.... By Hearing and Hearing by the Word of God.

So if yuo want to know...open that Bible and read for yourself ,Smiless.
And God Will Do the Rest.

Have a Good weekend.

So what you're saying, then, is that if a large number of people believe something is true, it must be true.

If that were the case, the earth would still be flat, and would still be the center of the solar system (and universe), disease would be caused by demons, leaves that fell into a lake would become fish and leaves that fell onto the ground would become birds, etc.

Sorry, it doesn't work like that.

People -- sometimes in large quantities -- do believe things that are not true. Whether from delusion, deception, lack of correct information, whatever -- it has been that way throughout mankind's history, and the situation still persists today.

If we, in modern times, have any advantage at all, it's in the fact that we have access to better tools and methodologies to determine "truths" about these things. But even these new tools are of no use when people refuse to utilize them, or refuse to accept the conclusions they reach.

Smiless....Lex...Everyone......

Along with reading the bible, Here are a listing of resources , for some good spirit filled teaching (not just man's teaching).

Smiless, to get started......look at "Faith versus Foolishness" By Fred Price.
This book Will help Make sense of some of the questions you posted on another thread.

All the resources listed here, offer LIVE spirit filled teaching on God's Word, not just dead teaching.

http://www.faithcenteredresources.com/christian-books-movies-videos-3.asp?source=overture

I agree

I would suggest that there are far more options than is allowed for in this description...



Howzit Lex???

Lex....tonight......go out and look up at the twinkling stars in the nite sky.

Breathe deep.

Look up at that sliver of moon in the sky, too.
All held up by God's Magnificent Hand.

Breathe deep.

Now, as you behold all that glorious wonder ,put your hand to your heart.
Feel your heartbeat.

Breathe deep.


Now go inside your house and look in the mirror.
Look at the hairs on your head.
Count them.

Can you?
No?

God can....and knows the very number.

Now Lex..look at your fingerprints.

You do know, that out of billions of people on this planet, no one else has your very fingerprints.
No one else.

Amazing God.

Yes?

... some want us to do all the work & still don't get it. LOL

We can't live their lives for them. We can only point the way out...

Matthew 13
The Parable of the Sower
1That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3Then he told them many things in parables, saying: "A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9He who has ears, let him hear."

10The disciples came to him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?"

11He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:
"Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand. 14In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
" 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15For this people's heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.'[a] 16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

18"Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away. 22The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful. 23But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown."
The Parable of the Weeds
24Jesus told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

27"The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?'

28" 'An enemy did this,' he replied.
"The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'

29" 'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.' "
The Parables of the Mustard Seed and the Yeast
31He told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. 32Though it is the smallest of all your seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and perch in its branches."

33He told them still another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like yeast that a woman took and mixed into a large amount of flour until it worked all through the dough."

34Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable. 35So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet:
"I will open my mouth in parables,
I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world."[c]
The Parable of the Weeds Explained
36Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, "Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field."

37He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.

40"As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
The Parables of the Hidden Treasure and the Pearl
44"The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field.

45"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant looking for fine pearls. 46When he found one of great value, he went away and sold everything he had and bought it.
The Parable of the Net
47"Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. 48When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. 49This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous 50and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

51"Have you understood all these things?" Jesus asked.
"Yes," they replied.

52He said to them, "Therefore every teacher of the law who has been instructed about the kingdom of heaven is like the owner of a house who brings out of his storeroom new treasures as well as old."
A Prophet Without Honor
53When Jesus had finished these parables, he moved on from there. 54Coming to his hometown, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed. "Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers?" they asked. 55"Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? 56Aren't all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?" 57And they took offense at him.
But Jesus said to them, "Only in his hometown and in his own house is a prophet without honor."

58And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.

Here lies the problem...

But Jesus said to them, "Only in his hometown and in his own house is a prophet without honor."

58And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.

All these miracles u all are speakin are full of illusions. The bible is nothin but a book filled with interestin short stories!

Does God Exist? I Don't know, in fact nobody does. There is no proof one way or another and it's better that way. People knowing for sure one way or another would never grow spiritually, they would either follow every law in fear without respect for it's meaning or the mentality of God or They would "Be free" and would make a lot of reckless decisions that would ruin their lives because they "could get away with it."

I guess what I'm saying is, if God exists or not, the belief of God has been beneficial to countless lives, especially in this modern Era when people have grown far less violent about their beliefs.

For me the question of whether or not God exists is entirely different from the question of whether or not the biblical description of God is true.


People erroneously give arguments for the existence of God that genuinely have absoutely nothing to do with whether or not the Bible is true.

I believe in God.

I don't believe in the Bible.

There is a MAJOR difference between these two concepts

The Bible is not the word of God.

That's the one thing that I can be asbolutely certain of.

So the question of whether or not there is a spirtual world is not the same as the question of whether or not any particular mythology has it correct.

Clearly the Biblical account of God cannot be true.


In fact I probably shouldn't even say that I believe in "God" (especially with a captital 'G').

I believe that our true nature is spiritual. Precisely how that works I don't know.

But I'm certain that there's no egotistical godhead itching to rule the universe. That's a sick idea to begin with.

Here is a thought.

Light defines reality, darkness defines illusion. There is no darkness without light, and no light without darkness.

If i believe i'm sick, i will start showing symptoms. It's because i make it my reality. If i believe i'm well, even if sick, my sympoms will start to disapear or lessen. This is a phonominon (however you spell it)

Thus, if i believe a god or higher power exists, then that becomes my reality. It truely does exist. If i believe a god or higher power does not exist, then for certin it doesn't. For all my thoughts and actions will be based upon this, all the coralations will be found. Presented with a fact i may interupted it as a miracle, or a low % occurance. Reguardless, my belief, my viewpoint is proof either way, and is limited only to me. However i can see it effect others, for my perception is skewed by it.

So in a way god does and does not exist. The one simple truth is that each person views a higher power differntly, reguardless of religion, lack of, or even if you are the exact same religion.

If a higher power does exist, we could never know, for we would have to be able to comprehend its thoughts and actions. It would no longer be a higher power, for we would have to obtain the same level to understand it.

This, in an ironic way, is very much what Jesus brought to bear.

Few find themselves truly engaged in demanding it of God, by seeking the Holy Spirit dwelling inwardly, incessantly until it happens.

But there it is.

If you want it, go get it.

http://www.seekaftergod.com/index.htm



http://www.seekgod.org/bible/seekinggod.html

MorningSong:

It comes down to 2 things-- some people just don't have the capacity for faith and some people don't need an explanation for life.

It's similar to how some people just can't master trigonomitry. its easy to explain the concepts and processes, but for some it just won't come as easy as it will for others. the majority of agnostics, secularists, and atheists understand the point of religion. and many, like myself, respect those beliefs. BUT- theres a failure to completely incorporate it into their own life. you use basic math everyday. but not the higher level math. ie: the 10 commandments and the ideas of mercy and forgiveness that Jesus stood for is simple to understand and apply to life. accepting a 1500-1900 year old tome is the "word of God" and how we need to worship an omipresent force.. that confuses me no matter how much i understand it. i could probably see a pastor raise someone from a coma by simply touching them, and still not believe there's a higher power. it just isn't going to stick.

And secondly; i marvel at nature and the stars too. i marvel at how complex and unique the human body is. and that's it. i don't ask myself why or how. i go "wow" and move on with my life. all religions came about because early human minds couldn't understand the world. so they invented ideas that explained it all. why? they were scared of the unknown. simple as that. then the Greeks started asking questions of life. and many gave their own ideas. and, like math, these new ideas were a bit confusing after generations of people lived their lives under just the one standard. flash forward 3000 years or so and nothing has really changed in that area. this is just a heated topic as it was centuries ago. for every answer religion has, science asks "why?" faith is the chasm between the 2. and that's the point of faith. you're on either one side or the other. or i guess you're on that little rickety, unstable bridge that link the 2 called creationism.


does any of that make sense to you? or to anyone? i'm kinda tired..

It makes alot of sense to me. Thank you for sharing this.