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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sat 06/28/08 11:08 PM
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In a nutshell......
(John 1:11-13) He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as RECIEVED Him, to them gave He POWER TO BECOME THE SONS OF GOD, even to them that BELIEVE on his name: Which were BORN, NOT of blood, NOR of the will of the flesh, NOR of the will of man, BUT OF GOD. `~~~~ See Smiless? Which were BORN...meaning BORN AGAIN , Which happens to a Christian when he BELIEVES and RECIEVES JESUS BY FAITH ,is Supernatural....it is OF GOD, and NOT of man's doings. And until this born again experience OF and FROM GOD happens in your life, God's Word is NOT going to make one diddly bit of sense to you. But just ask God to make Himself REAL to you, Smiless.... and He WILL . 
IF You SEEK Him with YOUR WHOLE HEART, You Will FIND Him. Keep SEEKING Him for REAL Now.... 
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Hey what I believe to be God found me and I didn't have to do squat or listen to anyone, it just sorta happened on it's own. I've heard that when the student is ready, the master will appear. I feel it's best to let people discover these things on their own.
Yes we are told to go out and make disciples, this is not to be confused with recruitment or conversion. It merely said make disciples, how you do that is up to you, but I found two ways to do that that is not only fairly effective, but socially responsible : 1. Live by example. Don't preach or judge or even push your "product". Just live life happily, people will wonder how you could be happy all the time when they are miserable and that is when you can tell them with their minds at least a little open to change. 2. Have children. Amazing how this can produce new followers to any religion, isn't it? Of course it CAN backfire. |
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Here is a thought. Light defines reality, darkness defines illusion. There is no darkness without light, and no light without darkness. If i believe i'm sick, i will start showing symptoms. It's because i make it my reality. If i believe i'm well, even if sick, my sympoms will start to disapear or lessen. This is a phonominon (however you spell it) Thus, if i believe a god or higher power exists, then that becomes my reality. It truely does exist. If i believe a god or higher power does not exist, then for certin it doesn't. For all my thoughts and actions will be based upon this, all the coralations will be found. Presented with a fact i may interupted it as a miracle, or a low % occurance. Reguardless, my belief, my viewpoint is proof either way, and is limited only to me. However i can see it effect others, for my perception is skewed by it. So in a way god does and does not exist. The one simple truth is that each person views a higher power differntly, reguardless of religion, lack of, or even if you are the exact same religion. If a higher power does exist, we could never know, for we would have to be able to comprehend its thoughts and actions. It would no longer be a higher power, for we would have to obtain the same level to understand it. God's word says it's the glory of Kings to SEEK OUT wisdom & knowledge of God. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 06/29/08 08:34 AM
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Lex....tonight......go out and look up at the twinkling stars in the nite sky. Breathe deep. Look up at that sliver of moon in the sky, too. All held up by God's Magnificent Hand. You're attributing all this to something I simply don't see. I look at the sky and the stars and the moon, and I think of expansion and gravity and accretion disks and a lot of other things that, while not necessarily fully explained or explainable by science in toto, certainly can be explained in other ways than by simply saying "God did it." I'm not saying He didn't -- the fact is, I don't know. I'm saying I don't have any particular reason or incentive to believe He did it. I haven't seen anything to indicate that He was involved. I haven't seen anything to indicate that my friend Mike parked a black Chevy near the restaurant across the street from me. There's a black Chevy there, but I don't know whose it is, and I didn't see it park, so I didn't see who came out. It could have been Mike. But I can't automatically assume that it was. And to attribute it to him, with no real basis, seems strange and unrealistic to me. I have read the Bible, cover to cover, seven times. I find it interesting, as far as it goes, for what it is. But, as much as I might like to believe in this God, in His love and forgiveness (although I still have issues with the underlying concept that I, as a separate entity, really need to be "forgiven" for anything) and omniscience, etc., I have yet to see any evidence of it. I have looked. Looked hard, and for a long time; and there is still nothing I have found that can't be just as easily -- or better -- explained in other ways. Breathe deep. Now, as you behold all that glorious wonder ,put your hand to your heart. Feel your heartbeat. Yes, an anatomical function shared by many other species, some of which we are extremely closely related to. Does it prove that God did it? I don't think so. It may "prove" that certain cardiovascular designs are efficient enough to have proliferated over millions of years. But that's a process having nothing to do with any sort of supernatural entity, as far as I can tell. Breathe deep. Now go inside your house and look in the mirror. Look at the hairs on your head. Count them. Can you? No? God can....and knows the very number. I suppose if I cut them all off and laid them out on a paper towel, I could count them. It would be tedious and pointless, though, inasmuch as this particular bit of information is meaningless and useless! If there is a God and he knows the exact number, I hope it turns out to be of some use for him. I, as a mere fallible human, have no conception of how that would work, though.... Now Lex..look at your fingerprints. You do know, that out of billions of people on this planet, no one else has your very fingerprints. No one else. Amazing God. Yes?
OK, but I still don't see how that proves the existence of God. I'm not a fingerprint expert (although I understand DNA is much more in favor now, as an identifier, due to its significantly better accuracy, which could indicate that the whole fingerprint thing is not quite as reliable as we were once led to believe -- but this is just speculation), and I won't pretend to know why everyone's prints should be different, but I think it's a reach to automatically attribute this to God. My point is, I don't know if there's a God. Given the option, I would like to know, definitively, one way or the other. That's just my nature -- knowledge is better than no knowledge. But I'm not one of these people who accepts that "The Bible is true because the Bible says the Bible is true." I'm not one of these people who looks at a star or a bird or a building or a tree or a thunderstorm and automatically sees God behind it. There are simply too many other -- more rational -- possibilities. I'm not saying you're wrong. My personal belief is that I will never find out one way or the other -- I will die and that will be the end of it; and while that's vexing, from an intellectual standpoint, there's really nothing I can do about it. So I've learned to live with it. |
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If a person opposes even the possibility of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It is like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon, then no amount of information is going to change their thinking. Photographs of astronauts walking on the moon, interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks...all the evidence would be worthless, because the person has already concluded that people cannot go to the moon. Yeh, its the same with evidence that aliens exist and are abducting people, making woman pregnant then taking their babies. They are trying to develop a human-aliens hybrid body to populate the earth after they get rid of all the humans. You see, humans are a threat to them, but they still need the bodies in the hope that they can reincarnate into them and be more human without loosing their memories (like you must do if you incarnate as a human.) They also need slaves they can control better as humans are evolving so fast they are loosing control over them. Anyway, there are some people who just will never believe this or even look at the evidence to support it. JB |
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I'm not saying you're wrong. My personal belief is that I will never find out one way or the other -- I will die and that will be the end of it; and while that's vexing, from an intellectual standpoint, there's really nothing I can do about it. So I've learned to live with it.
Yes death is a comforting thought in the face of having to live for eternity. This is what I believe: Unfortunately, death is impossible for the same reason that the existence of nothing is impossible. You can't run away from life and your own existence. Everywhere you go, there you are. That is the nature of infinity. JB |
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MorningSong: It comes down to 2 things-- some people just don't have the capacity for faith and some people don't need an explanation for life. It's similar to how some people just can't master trigonomitry. its easy to explain the concepts and processes, but for some it just won't come as easy as it will for others. the majority of agnostics, secularists, and atheists understand the point of religion. and many, like myself, respect those beliefs. BUT- theres a failure to completely incorporate it into their own life. you use basic math everyday. but not the higher level math. ie: the 10 commandments and the ideas of mercy and forgiveness that Jesus stood for is simple to understand and apply to life. accepting a 1500-1900 year old tome is the "word of God" and how we need to worship an omipresent force.. that confuses me no matter how much i understand it. i could probably see a pastor raise someone from a coma by simply touching them, and still not believe there's a higher power. it just isn't going to stick. And secondly; i marvel at nature and the stars too. i marvel at how complex and unique the human body is. and that's it. i don't ask myself why or how. i go "wow" and move on with my life. all religions came about because early human minds couldn't understand the world. so they invented ideas that explained it all. why? they were scared of the unknown. simple as that. then the Greeks started asking questions of life. and many gave their own ideas. and, like math, these new ideas were a bit confusing after generations of people lived their lives under just the one standard. flash forward 3000 years or so and nothing has really changed in that area. this is just a heated topic as it was centuries ago. for every answer religion has, science asks "why?" faith is the chasm between the 2. and that's the point of faith. you're on either one side or the other. or i guess you're on that little rickety, unstable bridge that link the 2 called creationism. does any of that make sense to you? or to anyone? i'm kinda tired.. Thank you for your very thoughtful comments. :) |
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MorningSong: It comes down to 2 things-- some people just don't have the capacity for faith and some people don't need an explanation for life. It's similar to how some people just can't master trigonomitry. its easy to explain the concepts and processes, but for some it just won't come as easy as it will for others. the majority of agnostics, secularists, and atheists understand the point of religion. and many, like myself, respect those beliefs. BUT- theres a failure to completely incorporate it into their own life. you use basic math everyday. but not the higher level math. ie: the 10 commandments and the ideas of mercy and forgiveness that Jesus stood for is simple to understand and apply to life. accepting a 1500-1900 year old tome is the "word of God" and how we need to worship an omipresent force.. that confuses me no matter how much i understand it. i could probably see a pastor raise someone from a coma by simply touching them, and still not believe there's a higher power. it just isn't going to stick. And secondly; i marvel at nature and the stars too. i marvel at how complex and unique the human body is. and that's it. i don't ask myself why or how. i go "wow" and move on with my life. all religions came about because early human minds couldn't understand the world. so they invented ideas that explained it all. why? they were scared of the unknown. simple as that. then the Greeks started asking questions of life. and many gave their own ideas. and, like math, these new ideas were a bit confusing after generations of people lived their lives under just the one standard. flash forward 3000 years or so and nothing has really changed in that area. this is just a heated topic as it was centuries ago. for every answer religion has, science asks "why?" faith is the chasm between the 2. and that's the point of faith. you're on either one side or the other. or i guess you're on that little rickety, unstable bridge that link the 2 called creationism. does any of that make sense to you? or to anyone? i'm kinda tired.. Makes sense to me too . Murmureddream, you got mail. Had some posting probs last nite , but was able to reply to your post via email. Be Blessed Now.....
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