when that much heat is applied to a steel superstructure, then it begins to lose its temper.

then it gets soft.

then it bends.

then the weight of it creates kinetic mass and energy that gains momentum.

On the other hand, charges (many many many) are placed in the basement of an old building to bring it down on itself, not at the top.

this was a meltdown of the superstructures caused by the fires lit by the aviation fuel and further fueled by the contents of the buildings.

We have a sayoing in the construction industry ;

"architects build them and designers burn them down"

Noi joke, no pun. We have this saying.

If you understood the severity of the engineering involved and the pains taken to insulate the steel superstructure and the extensive fir retardants and sprinkler systems required to prevent overheating the steel that holds all of that weight upo, you would not be so eager to accept some conspiracy was at play.

those idiots that flew those planes into the World Trade Center towers didn't know that would happen, and neither did Bin Laden.

All they wanted was to cause havoc.

Even those idiots did not understand why they fell.

Not that I am calling you an idiot ; I am not.

No builder or architect or fire safety law or engineering principle can overcome such a sudden fire in any building.

Perhaps it is not smart giving the clueless a clue as to why they fell so that they can try it again, but we know why.

We study the ruins of our life's work to improve safety and utility.

Personally, I have inspected fires and earthquakes effeects on structures to learn more.

Not because anyone asked me to, but because the effects of tragedies reveal clues for building a better structure.

Don't know if this will change your mind or not, but I thought it worth sharing anyway.

AWH.....A WISE WOMEN THAT SPEAK THE TRUTH, AND SEE HATE BREED HATE, AND VIOLENCE MORE VIOLENCE.......

IT IS ONLY BEINGS THAT DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW TO USE THE WISDOM WHISPERED TO THEM THAT CREATE ALL VIOLENCE......HOW CAN THESE THINGS EVEN IF THEY ARE ALL TRUE DUMB "UP" AMERICA, LOL......

SO WHAT IS THE PROGNOSIS THEN......WHAT SHALL EACH DO IF ALL THAT IS SAID HERE IS BELIEVED TO BE TRUE......PLEASE DETAIL THE PLAN SO THAT I MAY FOLLOW......

I dont have to do anything for you, with you or because of you.
But I will tell you that I believe your own govt caused it.
I believe that your govt saw the people who died as collateral damage.
In return for an excuse to invade the Middle East.

What I am saying is that the evidence does not point towards Islamic terrorism.

It was just convenient that both Bush and Guiliani were getting their arses kicked and then 9/11 and they are now both heroes.

awh, there is no doubt that an agenda has been in place for longer than we can even imagine, and ALL things heard and seen purpose the "agenda"......but one only need figure out what the the "agenda" is, which is not hard if one listen to all that is spoken, to then see what plan shall be next, and if so, then how does this fit into history, and where it fit in show what is to happen, since it is always,
ALWAYS repeating.......ALWAYS REPEATING, EVEN SINCE THE INCEPTION OF SPACETIME OR PHYSICAL EXISTIENCE OF THIS CYCLE OF HUMANKIND........the AGENDA is stopped short even before the end of the story heard........it is not hard to figure out, and the plans and agenda will ALL be exposed and all things brought to justice in an orderly and prophecied way............

there is nothing to fear but fear itself, because fear keep anything from seeing how all things will unravel......how can all things that have ALREADY happened be turned into GOOD reveal the plan of the eminent future as prophecied and spoken of by EVERY ANCIENT CIVILIZATION......SMILES

OK??? Excuse me while I put on my political hat...

It's scarey that some here think the blessings of God on our nation is a curse...that is EXACTLY how they treat any effort on our govt's. part to bring home the bacon & also KEEP our freedoms from tyrants, & keep us safe.

They actually bite the very hand that feeds them. This is why we have the crappy govt. we are getting. DEMS are winning by default & are making things much worse than anything BUSH has done.

They scream about the war in IRAQ...forget the war on terror, but do they insist that we drill our own oil on our OWN land so we don't have to be involved with mid east oil at all??? NOOOOOO!!! It stinks...just like their politics.

Do they really think that if they keep repeating the lies people will still believe them? I guess so... or our vote might be different.

Very sad...when you read about history you can see what went wrong & then look at our nation & see what went right...yet some want to throw it all away when they side with terrorists & say things like we don't pay what europe pays for this or that. Sickos....for sure.

Rant over....

I just don't believe the official story. It is a lie. It was a cover-up.


THE CURIOUS COLLAPSE OF THE TWIN TOWERS

The government/media approved version of events insists that the fires in the World Trade Center burned so hot that they caused steel supports to melt and buckle, thus triggering a total collapse of the towers. This is a strange theory for a number of reasons:

1. The architects who designed the World Trade Center designed it to withstand the direct impact and fuel fire of a commercial airline crash. Aaron Swirsky, one of the architects of the WTC described the collapse as "incredible" and "unbelievable." 96
Lee Robertson, the project's structural engineer said: "I designed it for a 707 to hit it. The Boeing 707 has a fuel capacity comparable to the 767." 97

2. The history of high-rise building fires provides no case histories of buildings collapsing due to steel beams melting from a fire.

3. The collapse of both towers were both perfectly symmetrical and methodical. The straight down collapse was identical in appearance to a well engineered, controlled implosion. A demolition company could not have done it better. Now that we know that all one has to do to bring a tall building straight down is set a fuel fire in it, the well trained experts who work for demolition companies should all be out of a job by now!

Even a layman with no explosives background should be able to see this. But many specialists in the explosives and structural engineering have also made this observation and commented on these inconsistencies. After the WTC collapse, the Vice President of New Mexico Tech, Van Romero, gave an interview to the Albuquerque Journal. He stated plainly that he believed that the WTC collapse was too methodical and that explosive devices must have been placed in key points of both buildings. Romero said:

"It would be difficult for something from the plane to trigger an event like that. It could have been a relatively small amount of explosives placed in strategic points. One of the things that terrorists are noted for is a diversionary attack and a secondary device." 98

In that same interview, Romero revealed that he was in Washington DC when the attacks took place. He and a colleague were there to discuss defense research programs for New Mexico Tech. A few days after his interview, Romero abruptly changed his opinion and told the Albuquerque Journal that he no longer believed that bombs brought down the towers. 99 Romero, who relies upon the Zionist occupied Pentagon for funding, had suddenly flip-flopped and joined the "melted steel" theorists.

There is more than just my own common sense and Romero's expert opinion to support the belief that the towers were imploded from within. Several witnesses and survivors reported hearing bombs going off inside the World Trade Center. Louie Cacchioli is a firefighter with Engine 47 in Harlem, New York. Cacchioli told People Magazine the following:

"I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there were bombs set in the building." 100

Now this whole controversy between the "melted steel" scenario and the detonation scenario is one that could be very easily resolved. All we have to do is dig up the steel beams and examine each and everyone of them. If an explosive device caused the steel to fail, there will be tell-tale indications for the engineers to see. But if it was intense heat that caused the steel to "melt" or "buckle", there will be tell-tale signs of that as well. All we have to do to put an end to this controversy is to closely examine the steel. Right?

Well, don't hold your breath. That's never going to happen. Thanks in large part to Time Magazine's "Man of the Year 2001", New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, the steel beams were quickly recycled before investigators even had the chance to look at them! A media darling and lifelong supporter of Israel, Saint Rudy Giuliani made sure that the "smoking gun" evidence was destroyed and right quick too. Much of the steel was recycled in America, but an additional seventy thousand tons of WTC steel was sold to Metals Management - a New York company with a jewish (Zionist?) president named Alan Ratner. Ratner then turned around and shipped the WTC’s steel to China and India for recycling! 101

China Radio International’s English Edition also reported:

"New York's Metals Management is among the firms taking steel from the huge project to clear Ground Zero. The company says it has bought 70,000 tons of scrap from the ruined twin towers. Some of the scrap has been shipped across the Pacific to Asian, including China and India. Among the consignments of scrap are the "very dense" steel girders from Ground Zero, which could finally yield 250,000 to 400,000 tons of scrap for recycling." 102

Imagine that! The largest criminal investigation in history and the investigators weren't even permitted to see the most important evidence of all - the steel! During the time that Saint Rudy and Ratner the Recycler were destroying evidence, many of the most respected engineers in the country complained not only about the recycling, but also about the Federal government's suffocating control of their investigation. On December 25, 2001, the New York Times ran a story about the frustrations of some of the engineers who were called in to study the cause of the collapse:

"Interviews with a handful of members of the team, which includes some of the nation's most respected engineers, also uncovered complaints that they had at various times been shackled with bureaucratic restrictions that prevented them from interviewing witnesses, examining the disaster site and requesting crucial information like recorded distress calls to the police and fire departments..." 103 (emphasis added)

They made their concerns known publicly. Bill Manning, editor of the 125 year old Fire Engineering magazine, noticed a strange difference between the WTC investigation and other major fire investigations in New York City’s history. Manning wrote:

"Did they throw away the locked doors from the Triangle Shirtwaist fire? Did they throw away the gas can used at the happy land social club fire?...That's what they're doing at the World Trade Center. The destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately." 104

One investigator told the New York Times:

"This is almost the dream team of engineers in the country working on this, and our hands are tied," said one team member who asked not to be identified. Members have been threatened with dismissal for speaking to the press. "FEMA is controlling everything," the team member said. 105

Dr. Frederick W. Mowrer from the Fire Engineering department at the University of Maryland told the New York Times:

"I find the speed with which important evidence has been removed and recycled to be appalling." 106

Finally, the Times story made this interesting little revelation about St. Rudy the Recycler:

"Officials in the mayor's office declined to reply to written and oral requests for comment over a three- day period about who decided to recycle the steel and the concern that the decision might be handicapping the investigation.." 107

It is a very odd form of science that the government and some of its house scientists practice these days. Without a shred of physical evidence, these modern-day alchemists have been able to "prove" their theory fire caused the towers to collapse. This appears to be yet another monstrous lie. Why else would you destroy the "melted steel"? Ask Rudy.

... and thats how it is.

The US govt sees its people as collateral damage.

Create enough hate from the rest of the electorate and it will back you long enough to get you into a second term.

But even with all this evidence, you will still refuse to believe that your own govt would stoop so low as to kill its own.

It has been done before and it will happen again.

Politics at its worst

Of course it was our fault. I mean - who are we to have free enterprise, allow our citizens the freedom of speech and religion, let our woman enjoy the freedom to cover their heads or not, freely marry who they wish, have control over their lives and bodies. Shame on us. It's a good thing those Islamists killed over 3,000 innocents. That showed us.

If this weren't so sad Belushi, I'd say your comedy act is top notch.

What I am saying to you, Eljay, is Islamists did not have anything to do with 9/11. So your little rant is a rather moot point.

Of course I see that you believe the lie.

JB

Okay Jeannie - whatever you say.

What are yout talking about?

Who gives a crud about women covering their head and marrying what they want?

Sounds like you got some problems with women

You hate muslims because you care about what women wear and marry ???

That was exactly Eljay's point ... he was replying to the absurdity of a post. Get it? ;)

Oh Goody Goody!! ~~ What ever I say!!

I find it absurd that some people care what clothes women in other countries are wearing

Especially when American women actually convert to Islam and move over there to be in those burkas or whatever. I have known women who have converted, they liked the religion. So are we really being saviors?

It certainly isnt worth dying for

... and your blindness is as pathetic as your attempt to move the blame from your own government.

Of course it is.

Just like christianity, or judaism are worth dying for.

If "you" are that weak of mind that "you" have to use an imaginary friend to prop "you" up, then "you" are of course going to follow their edicts to kill all non-believers.

Christianity is no different from Islam in that respect.