Why do you only accept scripture when it reflects negatively on Christianity and Judaism?

Please dont talk about things you have no idea.

The israelis are the common trouble makers in the middle east.
Backed by the Americans and the British, they seek to destabilise the region.

I have seen photos of Israeli children writing "love" messages to the Lebanese on the sides of mortar shells. The Israelis are proud of these images.

Settlers in the West Bank are regularly targetted by Israelis. Making home made bombs and rockets, the Palestinians are sitting ducks

the israelis are arrogant enough to believe that they can take on the whole of the middle east (with the US) and win.

Otherwise why would they be practicing to invade Iran?
They know that the US has the military might to bully the Arabs into doing most things. Otherwise why would the Arabs be witholding the thing that the American's value most highly - oil!

Spider wrote:

What if those men and women practiced child sacrifice? (they did)

What if the God had given the people of Canaan 400 years to repent of their evil religions? (he did)

These are the kind of statements that I can only shake my head at.

If you seriously believe that God is like this you must not have much faith in God at all. Such a God would be a terrible "Heavenly Father".

I believe in a righteous, holy, just and merciful God. If God is to be righteous, just and holy, God must punish those who are wicked. God's mercy exists for those who repent, not for those who love their sins. How could God be righteous, just or holy if God forgave the unrepentant? That would be a terrible God, who forgave all sins, even of those who loved their sins. What kind of afterlife would exist with that God? One where the evil could torment the good without fear? Is that the afterlife you would prefer, where people are victimized by one another while watched by an all forgiving God who makes laws for no reason? That would be worse than any hell could ever be.

I expect that you can read the death counts of Israelis killed by "homemade" rockets and rocks. Yeah, the Israelis kill more Palestinians. And yes, that's partly do to the fact that the Israelis have better weapons, but it's also because the Palestinian terrorists are cowards who hide behind women and children.

Do you want to see how much Yasser Arafat loved the children of Palestine? Here are pictures of some palestinian children who were used as suicide bombers. They were terrified, primarily mentally handicapped children.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={4C4C22E9-ED2A-4A21-8182-F8DD4ED51A8C}

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A 15 year old boy was used as a suicide bomber against his will...

http://movies.aol.com/truestories/blog/2007/05/11/tales-of-a-fourth-grade-suicide-bomber-an-interview-with-you/



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What does Israel being a Nuclear power have to do with it? Are you suggesting that they Nuke Palestine? Are you suggesting that since they have nuclear arms that they don't have a right to protect themselves? What exactly are you trying to get at?

When I come across one of those things, I won't. Promise.

Yep, that's pretty much the propaganda line.

The truth is far different. God will settle that score, I have no doubt of that. The US will elect a president without teeth and the world will try to have it's way with Israel. Maybe the time isn't right and they will destroy Israel.

Or maybe they will find out that God is real and the Jews are his chosen people.

Either way, take my advice: Watch from the sidelines, because the game is going to be very rough.

Your probably on a payroll

Israel doesnt have to do those things to survive like the Palestinians do

WHOA! Are you justifying using mentally handicapped children as suicide bombers against their will? That's sick man, I have to believe that I have misread your post. Please tell me if that's what you are saying or not.

I don't believe that's true. It sounds like zionists propaganda at its finest spider. What a web you doth weave.

What if those men and women practiced child sacrifice? (they did) What if Jericho was in a bottle neck, which could cut off all movement into and trade with Canaan? (it was) What if the people of Jericho were warned of their impending doom? (they were) What if the God had given the people of Canaan 400 years to repent of their evil religions? (he did)

Also, you need to read Joshua again. Rahab and her whole family were allowed to live. Everyone who fled Canaan was allowed to live. The Gibeonites were allowed to live. Besides those I have mentioned, not all of the Canaanites were killed, because Joshua took mercy on them. For the next 400 years, Israel was plagued by strife, war and slavery, because of the actions of the Canaanites who lived and bred. God knew what he was doing. God offered the Canaanites mercy, which they rejected. God offered the Canaanites escape, which that eschewed. Finally, God sent his wrath against the Canaanites. It was not God's first choice, but in order for Israel to prosper, the Canaanites could no longer live in the promised land. The world would be a vastly different place if Jericho had survived to spread it's filthy child sacrificing religions into Europe, Asia and Africa.

Stories of war are stories of war spider. God had nothing to do with that. There is no god that mingles with mankind getting blood on his hands inciting wars. This is not god. This is evil at its worst. You have been taken in by stories of evil and false gods. You are a pawn of the alien gods who lust for land, slaves, and riches for themselves. If you don't believe in the alien gods, then you are believing a story that justifies slaughter and conquest with the lie that god had something to do with it, told them to do it, and indeed helped them do it.

All wars involve propaganda, history of wars are written by the winners. No winner is going to write that they slaughtered innocent children just so they could own the land they lived on. They are going to find fault with their enemy and glorify themselves. That is the way it is done.

JB

Nothing you said addressed my questions or the central fact, which is this: Archeology has confirmed the account described in the Bible. Minus God, of course. The three walls surrounding Jericho were destroyed, except for a portion where a house was built right against the wall. The food was left, as well as the valuables.

You also haven't addressed my statements about God. If God has laws for us to live by, .......

........but doesn't punish those who break his laws, then doesn't that mean that God is not righteous, holy or just?

..Sorry, but you can continue to insist that you are right all day, but you haven't provided one argument and quite simply, the facts are against your interpretation of history. The evidence points to the fact that something extraordinary happened at Jericho.

Nothing you said addressed my questions or the central fact, which is this: Archeology has confirmed the account described in the Bible. Minus God, of course. The three walls surrounding Jericho were destroyed, except for a portion where a house was built right against the wall. The food was left, as well as the valuables. You also haven't addressed my statements about God. If God has laws for us to live by, but doesn't punish those who break his laws, then doesn't that mean that God is not righteous, holy or just? Sorry, but you can continue to insist that you are right all day, but you haven't provided one argument and quite simply, the facts are against your interpretation of history. The evidence points to the fact that something extraordinary happened at Jericho.

There has been an effort by the religious establishment to prove or explain or find things to support or back up their so-called word of God (the bible) for quite some time, and I have great doubt in these so-called interpretations of what archaeologist may or may not have discovered.

Also if you think that archeology has confirmed the account described in the Bible, you are highly mistaken. They cannot have confirmed the claim that god was involved with that battle for starters.

There is the premise where we part ways and do not find agreement spider. I do not accept that any god has made any rules for us to live by, so I cannot step any further into your logic that "he" must then punish those who break his laws.

The only law I see at work in this world, then and now, is the law of cause and effect and it is a natural and automatic scientific law that has nothing to do with judgment and punishment by a "god" meddling into human affairs on earth.

All it proves is that your concept of god is limited to one book called the Bible written for people who were not conscious enough to understand anything more abstract.

If the facts point to evidence that "something extraordinary" happened at Jericho that does not mean it happened the way the Bible says it does. It does not prove anything. It only proves that they don't have the answers.. so they assume that the Bible does. That is not science and that is not proof. That so-called proof, which I'm sure can be refuted by real scientists in many ways, is not proof of anything.

I'll address your question's spider

A) you say - "Archeology has confirmed the account described in the Bible. Minus God, of course."

answer: what archeologist? christian archeologist, or other's with a monotheistic bent? What is confirmed and all that is confirmed is that there is the remain's of a city in the vicinity of where Jerhico was. Are there any writings's found that state that it "IS" the city of Jericho? any parchments, symbols used by them stating "THIS IS Jericho? the only so called proof is crumbled wall's - hmm?? very interesting that a multi century old walls of a city would now be left with it's wall's in shambles?? a better test would be if the walls were still standing! that would be a miracle! As to food and jewlry being precious commodities - yes of course they were - but that could mean many thing's besides wall tumbling down such as being scared of a natural disaster as an earth quake or other that would make them flee there city. they have no proof - only conjecture based on a preset bias that leads them to their conclusions. If one set's out to "prove" something thet want to find - they will biasedly come up with anything to prove their point if something "seem's" to fit the bill - just like bush did with iraq for example.



b) you state:

"You also haven't addressed my statements about God. If God has laws for us to live by, You also haven't addressed my statements about God. If God has laws for us to live by, but doesn't punish those who break his laws, then doesn't that mean that God is not righteous, holy or just?
Answer:

:"IF" - god has laws to live by? that's not a statement but a question? if you mean "god has law's for us to live by", then they only apply to those who believe in your god - not to other's who don't believe.

"but doesn't punish those who break his laws, then doesn't that mean that God is not righteous, holy or just?"


Again - that only applies to those who believe as you, not to JB, or me or other's who don't believe - your question's are only acceptable within your faith based belief system spider- they only can be applied there for discussion's sake. unless one wishes to discuss them otherwise, but to ask other's who dont believe that god makes laws or that they dont have to follow them will not be answerable by us from without your belief syatem.

a better test would be if the walls were still standing! that would be a miracle!