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Living in a hypersexual society is what is unhealthy. Well, I'll certainly agree with that. And I never meant to imply that hypersexual activity is healthy either. Too much would porbably be just a bad as not enough. Also, from the studies I've seen it's not just sexual release that's healthy, but rather LOVING sexual release is what's healthy.  In other words, sexual release is not just a physical release of sexual energy, but it's also an emotional release of sexual energy. If you have pent up sexual energy and you have and unfufilling sexual release with another person. Then even though you've released fluids, you haven't yet released your pent up sexual energy because there was no emotion in it! (or at least not the right kind of emotion) So whilst refraining from sexual release can be unhealthy, it doesn't automatically follow that all sexaul release is necessarily healthy. I wouldn't recommend running out to have an orgy with the idea that this will make you healthy.  I think the sexual release needs to be done with deeply emotional feelings for it to be genuinely affective. And as strange as this may sound that can actually be achieved via masturbation. It all depends on what you think about when you masturbate. If you think about having superficial sex acts with a body that you don't care about, then it's not going to be a healthy experience. However, if you imagine making love to someone that you do care about when you masturbate, then the resulting sexual release will be benificial to your health. The reason being that your emotions and mental mindset are participating in this 'rejuvination' process. In other words, having bad sex for the wrong reasons is just as healthy (or even more unhealthy) than not having sex at all. However, having loving sexual release is healthier than abstinence. Total abstinence can actually led to depression, and other chemical imbalances in the brain. So if we don't have a loving partner, it's better off to "imagine" that we do!  On the other hand, grabbing a porn magazine to imagine non-emotionally-involved sex acts, would not be a healthy thing to do. Hope this clarifies my position.  |
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Do you think celibacy is necessary for a religious leader? Do you think celibacy adds to the pious nature of anyone who practices it? If your are answering from a Christian perspective, please feel free to use Biblical scripture to explain your beliefs in this matter. How many children were abused sexually because of this stupid act of celibacy ?. The history is a good witness . .  What are you talking about? What of all of the non celibant abusers?? Ive already told everyone what causes sexual perversion in my previous postings So you are an expert on sexual abuse too . . Church sex abuses go back to centuries . Why was a man created with a penis and a woman with a vaginia if they do not use them ?.
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Fri 06/13/08 10:47 PM
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Do you think celibacy is necessary for a religious leader? Do you think celibacy adds to the pious nature of anyone who practices it? If your are answering from a Christian perspective, please feel free to use Biblical scripture to explain your beliefs in this matter. How many children were abused sexually because of this stupid act of celibacy ?. The history is a good witness . . What are you talking about? What of all of the non celibant abusers?? Ive already told everyone what causes sexual perversion in my previous postings So you are an expert on sexual abuse too . . Church sex abuses go back to centuries . Why was a man created with a penis and a woman with a vaginia if they do not use them ?. Im not talking about any church. |
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Fri 06/13/08 10:52 PM
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Living in a hypersexual society is what is unhealthy. Well, I'll certainly agree with that. And I never meant to imply that hypersexual activity is healthy either. Too much would porbably be just a bad as not enough. Also, from the studies I've seen it's not just sexual release that's healthy, but rather LOVING sexual release is what's healthy. In other words, sexual release is not just a physical release of sexual energy, but it's also an emotional release of sexual energy. If you have pent up sexual energy and you have and unfufilling sexual release with another person. Then even though you've released fluids, you haven't yet released your pent up sexual energy because there was no emotion in it! (or at least not the right kind of emotion) So whilst refraining from sexual release can be unhealthy, it doesn't automatically follow that all sexaul release is necessarily healthy. I wouldn't recommend running out to have an orgy with the idea that this will make you healthy. I think the sexual release needs to be done with deeply emotional feelings for it to be genuinely affective. And as strange as this may sound that can actually be achieved via masturbation. It all depends on what you think about when you masturbate. If you think about having superficial sex acts with a body that you don't care about, then it's not going to be a healthy experience. However, if you imagine making love to someone that you do care about when you masturbate, then the resulting sexual release will be benificial to your health. The reason being that your emotions and mental mindset are participating in this 'rejuvination' process. In other words, having bad sex for the wrong reasons is just as healthy (or even more unhealthy) than not having sex at all. However, having loving sexual release is healthier than abstinence. Total abstinence can actually led to depression, and other chemical imbalances in the brain. So if we don't have a loving partner, it's better off to "imagine" that we do! On the other hand, grabbing a porn magazine to imagine non-emotionally-involved sex acts, would not be a healthy thing to do. Hope this clarifies my position. You dont need sex or much anything else except a little nourishent and oxygen if you have faith and devotion in a god. This so called "sexual energy" would be channeled to your deity if there is such a feeling in a persons heart. I keep trying to explain that to you. A human can have true love for a god.
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A vow of celibacy is akin to a marriage vow. A person is in essence giving themselves over sexually to their deity.
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Sexual energy does not become pent up if you do not waste your time thinking about it There is absolutely nothing unhealthy about abstinence
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Are you celebate? No But millions of other people have been. Some of the best people ever to live. Are they perverts? You are not celebate ... Are you married?  no
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Edited by
scttrbrain
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Sat 06/14/08 09:16 AM
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I know that priest know what they are getting themselves into when they take those vows, but do they really?? A lifetime of no one on one tender time with another being? We are hugged and nurtured when we are but babes. We are kissed and coddled. To give that up for the rest of our life is not natural. No loving human touch? God did not want us to live as hermits, or alone. He said afterall that man needed a helpmate. For it is not good to be alone.
Although I have been celebate over 5 years....does that make me more receptive to God? Or would having a loving relationship open up my feelings to being even more loving and receptive? I may not miss the sex as much as I miss having someone to sit with and hold, knowing we are together and in sinc with our needs. A human need to be human. I can see where one may think that having no one to spend time thinking about, may give more time to thinking about God....but does it? I have yet to see a priest that really has a happy look on his face. Kat Can anyone name the relgions that call for celebacy? Is there one...or more? |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sat 06/14/08 09:49 AM
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Do you think celibacy is necessary for a religious leader? Do you think celibacy adds to the pious nature of anyone who practices it? If your are answering from a Christian perspective, please feel free to use Biblical scripture to explain your beliefs in this matter. It is not necessary. I see nothing wrong with it, but I don't see it as necessary. There are advantages to celibacy. In the book "The ancient Secret Fountain of Youth" which tells about the five rites, there is a sixth rite that teaches you how to channel your sexual energy up to your vital organs and prolong your life. Used in this way, along with the five rites some claim that you can live to be extremely old and still remain vital and healthy. JB |
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Do you think celibacy is necessary for a religious leader? Do you think celibacy adds to the pious nature of anyone who practices it? If your are answering from a Christian perspective, please feel free to use Biblical scripture to explain your beliefs in this matter. I've been reading the responses to this original post and I have to say I am disappointed. Not one person has gone to the Scriptures with this. It's all about a calling. I know, when you think of being "called" you naturally think of being called into the ministry or being called into a certain profession, but when we are following God's will we are following His calling, even something as trivial as helping a friend move counts. Some are called to celibacy and others to marriage. I COrinthians 7: 1 - 9 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.Defraud ye not one the other, except [it be] with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.But I speak this by permission, [and] not of commandment.For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. If that doesnt answer your question, nothing else will. Everything else is just an argument or a means to justify sin. The need for human touch and love is natural and encouraged...it's all a matter of what God is calling you to do. |
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Do you think celibacy is necessary for a religious leader? Do you think celibacy adds to the pious nature of anyone who practices it? If your are answering from a Christian perspective, please feel free to use Biblical scripture to explain your beliefs in this matter. I've been reading the responses to this original post and I have to say I am disappointed. Not one person has gone to the Scriptures with this. It's all about a calling. I know, when you think of being "called" you naturally think of being called into the ministry or being called into a certain profession, but when we are following God's will we are following His calling, even something as trivial as helping a friend move counts. Some are called to celibacy and others to marriage. People themselves chose either marriage or celibacy . No one called them for sure . I heard no calls did you ?. .
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Mirror (as usual) is spot on but I think some are misunderstanding what he is saying. This might help: http://www.dharmathecatcartoons.com/15blog/?p=236
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Are you celebate? No But millions of other people have been. Some of the best people ever to live. Are they perverts? You are not celebate ... Are you married? no Does that not cause angst within you? You are not able to follow the guide? |
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Mirror
Jesus was/is a celibant, most religious founders were celibant. Its all about loving your god more that you love yourself. Maybe you cant understand that. If you can devote you body to another human in marriage, can you do no less for your god? Or is your faith worthless? (not you personally) Humans seemed to have evolved or developed religion/spirituality as a means of overcoming their base animal desires and urges, even their basic survival instincts. Its a perfectly natural phenomenon unique to human beings Just a couple things. First, how does anyone know that Jesus remained celebate – do they likewise know if the man ever masterbated? Second – if humans have so evolved to overcome their base animal desires & urges, then why is there so much pre-marital sex, adultery and divorced people that go on to marry again and have sex with another when the Bible, itself declares that divorce is not an a normal option to be followed?????? And finally, if you were correct at all, then all those fundamentalist Christians would stop breeding and give their “sexual identity” and all that means, over to their God. Too bad it can’t be that way Mirror! MorningSong Christians that are truly born again, want to please God, simply because they Love the Lord. True born again christians are still in the world, but not of the world...meaning they have no desire to partake of the world's ways anymore...they wish to please God....because they have become new creatures in Christ. Born again christians may still sin, but will never choose to "willingly" sin.....not without grieving the Holy Spirit living within a christian now. Just curious are you a Nun? Anyway, then I think anyone who is a Born Again Christian should totally STOP reproducing. According to you and Mirror, they certainly could, why don’t they? Freckles I COrinthians 7: 1 – 9 I’m sorry I’m not familiar with who was ‘supposedly’ speaking in Corinthians. Was it Jesus? This part was interesting But I speak this by permission, [and] not of commandment.For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. That all men were even as myself – now was that GOD or JESUS talking? And what did that mean? It looks like this part I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. Absolutely states one undeniable thing – NO ONE should be having any kind of sex outside of marriage. If they do they will BURN. That sounds about as harsh as any punishment a homosexual is to expect. Yet I wonder what the percentage of Christians are who have sex with more than one person in their lives – when the first one is still alive?????? STRIP THEM OF THEIR RIGHTS! Said the Queen of Hearts. just being silly in this world behing the mirror. |
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Red
U r right. priest had the right to marry a virgin. And they did. They could also marry the widow of a deceased priests. This again is what happens when we throw out the OT. Confusion . But for Power sake THROWING OUT the OT. Is Great then only the priesthood can understand scripture and this is why people will fight to the death. Not for what the scriptures say. No for what the tradition of the Fathers say.. They are the Authority and do not dare question it. Why do u think the DARK AGES happened and Martin Luther and William Miller did? No one was to Question them they had set themselves up as our Creator knowing right from wrong. Thus thier word is final.. Blessings...Miles |
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Miles, I can understand what you are saying. But I also think there is a bit more to it.
People can read a very large amount of misinformation or be taught that misinformation and they will not know it. However, if even a small light shines on some part of the lie, they will follow the light. Martin Luther shone a light on some small portion of the lie and people 'felt' and 'saw' the light and followed, never realizing they were STILL being led. As you intimate, there were many who shone a light and many who were fooled into being led by what others SAID they SAW. The breakdown has become an impossible puzzle to put back together, and so it continues to break down even further. Perhaps the division will eventually nullify the beliefs or at the very least leave only a very few consistant and fairly quiet believers. |
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RED
Think about this when the 2 witnesses who will fullfill the great Commission and the world will hate them and kill them.. Rev 7 who is the Saints of Rev 14.. Thier is only 144000 saints in the world doing as Yahweh says. Now it is intersting that we are told of a great falling away.. We are also told which seems to be when this great falling away happens. Will be saying..since the beginning fathers things go on as they always have.. Where is the promise of his coming? When nothing happens in Dec 2012 and suicides happen. False Prophets are everywhere. and Dec 2013 comes.. I wonder how much departure from many religions will happen? Could people be in danger even for mentioning a religion because so many lives were lost because of the False Prophecies. We are told they will take us before judges and will want to kill you.. For all that to happen something very drastic in this world has to happen for people to Hate so Much.. Will 2012 be the start of this hatred? Blessings...Miles |
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 Everybody--- Clarify this for me. Do you have to have sex to be a good person ? Is that what you people are saying ? Are you saying that you are somehow "weird", "unhealthy", or gay if you do not have sex occasionally ?
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Absolutely not.. Nowhere does it say you can not stay celibate. Yahshua actually said if you remain unmarried then you are taking Yahweh 1st completly not having the duty of taking care of a mate. Paul though speaks of burning.. That if you burn inside that it is better to marry that to burn for sex /marriage...blessings...Miles
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Sun 06/15/08 07:10 PM
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Absolutely not.. Nowhere does it say you can not stay celibate. Yahshua actually said if you remain unmarried then you are taking Yahweh 1st completly not having the duty of taking care of a mate. Paul though speaks of burning.. That if you burn inside that it is better to marry that to burn for sex /marriage...blessings...Miles  I knew you would understand Miles I was wondering when someone would refer to what the bible says. I wonder why none of the others did? The bible says there is nothing wrong with celibacy,as a matter of fact "GOD" prefers it. Same with most of the other religions Marriage is fine, but celibacy is supposed to be the default for most devoted people of faith. Maybe some people should read their bibles beyond the first couple of chapters of Genesis.
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