Topic: Let's get controversial lol
Belushi's photo
Sat 06/14/08 03:26 PM

Christianity is declining because the terrorists don't believe in FREEDOM of Religion! DUH!.


What about you Christians? You dont believe in freedom of religion.

You say there is only one god!! A very bigotted, narrow-minded intolerant view!

Obviously the rest of the world disagrees, including the athiests who are detested by everyone as being evil!! When in reality they are the group that has the most freedom.

Totage's photo
Sat 06/14/08 03:35 PM

So...I have a question. No hidden meaning, no offence intended, just a general question of curiosity. In my city, you can't drive down the road 10 feet without seeing a billboard or other advertisement stating something like, "Got God?" or "Jesus is King!" or "What have you done for God today?" etc etc, you get the point lol The t.v. is flooded with advertisements for Life Time Christian music CDs and church advertisements, pastors preaching and daily morning programming with Pastor Nancy (I believe her name is). So my question is, how offended would you be if you were driving down the road and saw a huge billboard with a saying like, "Got Satan?" or "What have you done for Allah today?" or "Have you chosen the Buddist path?" In the land of America, let freedom ring, why is it that some things are acceptable and some things are not? Shouldn't it be equal and fair to advertise your religious beliefs in any way you see fit and that if one group of practicers can do it through billboards and tv commercial advertisements, why can't another for fear of persecution?






As a christian I see no problem with others doing what we do (tv, billboards, etc.)

Belushi's photo
Sat 06/14/08 03:35 PM
Largest Christian denominations in the world

Catholicism - 1.2 billion
Protestantism - 692 million
Eastern Orthodoxy - 260 million
Oriental Orthodoxy - 79 million
Anglicanism - 77 million
Nontrinitarianism - 31 million
Nestorianism - 1 million
From Wiki


So the Catholics far outweigh the rest. If Christianity is such a wonderful thing, then why would the Catholics and the Protestants wish to eradicate each other in various parts of the world?

Why not just embrace God?

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Sat 06/14/08 03:37 PM

Largest Christian denominations in the world

Catholicism - 1.2 billion
Protestantism - 692 million
Eastern Orthodoxy - 260 million
Oriental Orthodoxy - 79 million
Anglicanism - 77 million
Nontrinitarianism - 31 million
Nestorianism - 1 million
From Wiki


So the Catholics far outweigh the rest. If Christianity is such a wonderful thing, then why would the Catholics and the Protestants wish to eradicate each other in various parts of the world?

Why not just embrace God?

Because their DNA is different .....laugh laugh .

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Sat 06/14/08 08:32 PM

Largest Christian denominations in the world

Catholicism - 1.2 billion
Protestantism - 692 million
Eastern Orthodoxy - 260 million
Oriental Orthodoxy - 79 million
Anglicanism - 77 million
Nontrinitarianism - 31 million
Nestorianism - 1 million
From Wiki


So the Catholics far outweigh the rest. If Christianity is such a wonderful thing, then why would the Catholics and the Protestants wish to eradicate each other in various parts of the world?

Why not just embrace God?


Well of course I am stating the obvious in answer to this question.

Religion is not about god.

JB

scarlets's photo
Sat 06/14/08 08:33 PM
no such thing as god!

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Sun 06/15/08 12:08 PM
Edited by Quikstepper on Sun 06/15/08 12:09 PM

More and more I meet people who call themselves Christian but they do not go to a specific church, and some don't go to church at all, and they are not members of any particular denomination.

I think that they find it easier to call themselves Christians because being Christian is still the most accepted religious affiliation.

Designer Christians are all over the place. They just don't have the courage to walk away from the club. They don't have the courage to declare that they don't believe. They just play along. They don't really believe or they just really don't know what they believe and so they remain with the flock because that is where they are accepted and that is where their friends are.

Spirituality is growing however. People are awakening to their own spiritual nature and to their own inner connection to source. They are discouraged in this pursuit and they are told that they should never think of themselves as god in the pantheist sense. They are reminded of the myth about Lucifer who wanted to be god and got kicked out of heaven. This is actually and implied vealed threat that if they profess to be "gods" or part of god with god like powers, that they will be kicked out of the club Christianity just as Lucifer was kicked out of heaven.

You will be told this: "To think that you are god is blasphemy. Don't dare even think that." You are not allowed to assert or have your own authority for any reason. You are to only obey your master. You are a slave. To disobey means the death penalty. It is a sin to disobey.

JB




Well actually the term "Christian" is a term I picked up because I never liked inter-denominational squabbles. God told me there were not going to be seperate neighborhoods up in heaven. In fact, it...like alot of other issues we as humans face, will be moot when we see Him in His glory.

You are correct tho...many call themselves Christian but really don't practice or even know what the Bible teaches. There is nothing wrong with staying true to one's belief even if they are in a dry period. It doesn't make them a hypocrite... it makes them faithful until God's appointed timing.

BTW...the carnal man is emnity with the spirit man & therfore, I hate to tell you but aside from God there is no such thing as spiritual awakening. It's just more of man's attempts at trying to reach God in his own way & not God's way. Talk about putting God in a box. LOL

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Sun 06/15/08 01:46 PM
BTW...the carnal man is emnity with the spirit man & therfore, I hate to tell you but aside from God there is no such thing as spiritual awakening. It's just more of man's attempts at trying to reach God in his own way & not God's way. Talk about putting God in a box. LOL



Every moment of my life is a moment with source and is a spiritual awakening. (BTW source="god")

Man does not have to "try to reach god" because source just is. It is everywhere. All one has to do is realize who and what they are. Source has its life in us and in all there is.

No group of people with a religion can claim ownership of the life source.

JB


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Sun 06/15/08 02:22 PM

BTW...the carnal man is emnity with the spirit man & therfore, I hate to tell you but aside from God there is no such thing as spiritual awakening. It's just more of man's attempts at trying to reach God in his own way & not God's way. Talk about putting God in a box. LOL



Every moment of my life is a moment with source and is a spiritual awakening. (BTW source="god")

Man does not have to "try to reach god" because source just is. It is everywhere. All one has to do is realize who and what they are. Source has its life in us and in all there is.

No group of people with a religion can claim ownership of the life source.

JB




agreed -

hmmm don't you get it? it's not just the christian religion thats a sham - its "ALL" organized religions that are shams.man made farces.If man has had a hand in it it is not to be trusted. there is no organized religion i will ever accept as "the truth" there are no words in books or spoken that if man has put them forth as ultimate truths that are worth my or anyones time. The only truths that exsist are self evident, they need no defense, they need no one to believe them - they could give a crap less if anyone even cares about them - "they just are" - "natural truth's" are all i can or will believe "ever". Everything else is a spiritual and mental meatmarket of proverbial canard's.

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Sun 06/15/08 02:36 PM
Edited by cutelildevilsmom on Sun 06/15/08 02:38 PM
When I went to Indiana I found the Jesus billboards tacky.I find all billboards tacky though.They ugly up the scenery with their Commercialism.there must be better ways to spread the God's word then on a billboard and better places the money could be used.Just my opinion.that and $1.00 will buy ya a cup of joe at mickey d's lol.

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Sun 06/15/08 06:00 PM
Edited by Scinn on Sun 06/15/08 06:03 PM


BTW...the carnal man is emnity with the spirit man & therfore, I hate to tell you but aside from God there is no such thing as spiritual awakening. It's just more of man's attempts at trying to reach God in his own way & not God's way. Talk about putting God in a box. LOL


Why must someone name their awakening "God" in order to be correct? A person can reach a point of spiritual awareness and connection without ever having to specifically name what it is they come in tune with. In the end, you do not need a name to define what something is or is not. Let's use an example.

The color red: It's the same thing. The same color, it never changes...red is always red. We call it red. In Japan they call it aka. Roho in Spanish speaking countries and etc etc. Now, because it's called aka in Japan, does that mean it's no longer red? That it's somehow become corrupted, or less true or "missing something" that would make it red? No. It's still red. Just by a different name.

So...you call it God. Others have different names for it and some have no name for it. In my opinion, by whatever name a person chooses to call the entity, the entity has not changed, been corrupted or misinterpreted. It's still the same entity...just by a different name. I firmly believe there is something greater and bigger than us...now be it a devine entity or a scientific explaination...*no one* knows until we've died...but it does not deminish the fact that we are small and low on a cosmic totem pole somewhere. And I don't think that just because someone else chooses to faithfully believe in something different they are therefore wrong and damned. In the end...I don't believe that whatever that entity is would be so upset that someone called it by the wrong name that it would therefore condemn it to eternal damnation.

Not to mention...if we assume (for the sake of arguement on either end...I know, you believe it is true and that's great flowerforyou But not everyone does...so, we are assuming that *everyone* believes this is true) if we assume that Christianity is the one, true and only correct religion across the world, galaxy and universe..."God" is not his real name. Nor is "Heavenly Father" or "Jesus" or any of the other names. Those are names used by humans to *give* a name to something greater than they are that they don't fully know or understand. A nickname of sorts. Granted, it's used in a loving and respectful manner, but it is still just a nickname.

It does not make you wrong. But just because someone else chooses to name it something different and worship it in their own personal way, doesn't make them wrong either. In the end...it's how you've lived. Not what you named the entity you worship.

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Sun 06/15/08 06:22 PM



BTW...the carnal man is emnity with the spirit man & therfore, I hate to tell you but aside from God there is no such thing as spiritual awakening. It's just more of man's attempts at trying to reach God in his own way & not God's way. Talk about putting God in a box. LOL


Why must someone name their awakening "God" in order to be correct? A person can reach a point of spiritual awareness and connection without ever having to specifically name what it is they come in tune with. In the end, you do not need a name to define what something is or is not. Let's use an example.

The color red: It's the same thing. The same color, it never changes...red is always red. We call it red. In Japan they call it aka. Roho in Spanish speaking countries and etc etc. Now, because it's called aka in Japan, does that mean it's no longer red? That it's somehow become corrupted, or less true or "missing something" that would make it red? No. It's still red. Just by a different name.

So...you call it God. Others have different names for it and some have no name for it. In my opinion, by whatever name a person chooses to call the entity, the entity has not changed, been corrupted or misinterpreted. It's still the same entity...just by a different name. I firmly believe there is something greater and bigger than us...now be it a devine entity or a scientific explaination...*no one* knows until we've died...but it does not deminish the fact that we are small and low on a cosmic totem pole somewhere. And I don't think that just because someone else chooses to faithfully believe in something different they are therefore wrong and damned. In the end...I don't believe that whatever that entity is would be so upset that someone called it by the wrong name that it would therefore condemn it to eternal damnation.

Not to mention...if we assume (for the sake of arguement on either end...I know, you believe it is true and that's great flowerforyou But not everyone does...so, we are assuming that *everyone* believes this is true) if we assume that Christianity is the one, true and only correct religion across the world, galaxy and universe..."God" is not his real name. Nor is "Heavenly Father" or "Jesus" or any of the other names. Those are names used by humans to *give* a name to something greater than they are that they don't fully know or understand. A nickname of sorts. Granted, it's used in a loving and respectful manner, but it is still just a nickname.

It does not make you wrong. But just because someone else chooses to name it something different and worship it in their own personal way, doesn't make them wrong either. In the end...it's how you've lived. Not what you named the entity you worship.


Oh, Oh, I'm in love, remind me I owe you some roses later!

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Sun 06/15/08 06:27 PM



BTW...the carnal man is emnity with the spirit man & therfore, I hate to tell you but aside from God there is no such thing as spiritual awakening. It's just more of man's attempts at trying to reach God in his own way & not God's way. Talk about putting God in a box. LOL




It does not make you wrong. But just because someone else chooses to name it something different and worship it in their own personal way, doesn't make them wrong either. In the end...it's how you've lived. Not what you named the entity you worship.


No! Not if you are eating from the tree of carnality...now how's that for being man made?

We are talking about God after all. His ways are not our ways...His ways are WAY higher. That's the point.

Are we talking about God's will or ours?

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Sun 06/15/08 06:28 PM
lol Heya blackbird happy I'd be just as happy with carnations laugh But ty! flowerforyou flowerforyou

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Sun 06/15/08 06:38 PM
Edited by tribo on Sun 06/15/08 06:39 PM




BTW...the carnal man is emnity with the spirit man & therfore, I hate to tell you but aside from God there is no such thing as spiritual awakening. It's just more of man's attempts at trying to reach God in his own way & not God's way. Talk about putting God in a box. LOL


Why must someone name their awakening "God" in order to be correct? A person can reach a point of spiritual awareness and connection without ever having to specifically name what it is they come in tune with. In the end, you do not need a name to define what something is or is not. Let's use an example.

The color red: It's the same thing. The same color, it never changes...red is always red. We call it red. In Japan they call it aka. Roho in Spanish speaking countries and etc etc. Now, because it's called aka in Japan, does that mean it's no longer red? That it's somehow become corrupted, or less true or "missing something" that would make it red? No. It's still red. Just by a different name.

So...you call it God. Others have different names for it and some have no name for it. In my opinion, by whatever name a person chooses to call the entity, the entity has not changed, been corrupted or misinterpreted. It's still the same entity...just by a different name. I firmly believe there is something greater and bigger than us...now be it a devine entity or a scientific explaination...*no one* knows until we've died...but it does not deminish the fact that we are small and low on a cosmic totem pole somewhere. And I don't think that just because someone else chooses to faithfully believe in something different they are therefore wrong and damned. In the end...I don't believe that whatever that entity is would be so upset that someone called it by the wrong name that it would therefore condemn it to eternal damnation.

Not to mention...if we assume (for the sake of arguement on either end...I know, you believe it is true and that's great flowerforyou But not everyone does...so, we are assuming that *everyone* believes this is true) if we assume that Christianity is the one, true and only correct religion across the world, galaxy and universe..."God" is not his real name. Nor is "Heavenly Father" or "Jesus" or any of the other names. Those are names used by humans to *give* a name to something greater than they are that they don't fully know or understand. A nickname of sorts. Granted, it's used in a loving and respectful manner, but it is still just a nickname.

It does not make you wrong. But just because someone else chooses to name it something different and worship it in their own personal way, doesn't make them wrong either. In the end...it's how you've lived. Not what you named the entity you worship.


Oh, Oh, I'm in love, remind me I owe you some roses later!


BB - stay away from "scinn" you dont need anymore "scinn" in your life, laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

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Sun 06/15/08 06:39 PM
Edited by Blackbird on Sun 06/15/08 06:40 PM




BTW...the carnal man is emnity with the spirit man & therfore, I hate to tell you but aside from God there is no such thing as spiritual awakening. It's just more of man's attempts at trying to reach God in his own way & not God's way. Talk about putting God in a box. LOL




It does not make you wrong. But just because someone else chooses to name it something different and worship it in their own personal way, doesn't make them wrong either. In the end...it's how you've lived. Not what you named the entity you worship.


No! Not if you are eating from the tree of carnality...now how's that for being man made?

We are talking about God after all. His ways are not our ways...His ways are WAY higher. That's the point.

Are we talking about God's will or ours?


It is my understanding that most of us have been talking about the will of "God" as you call it or the higher power as some of us prefer, whereas you alone have been talking about your own personal will because you don't seem to accept that a higher power is beyond any of our understandings.

I love your posts though quickstepper you've done more to demonstrate cultural prejudice, blind faith, and hatred as applied to religion than any of us ever could have without you!

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Sun 06/15/08 06:39 PM




BTW...the carnal man is emnity with the spirit man & therfore, I hate to tell you but aside from God there is no such thing as spiritual awakening. It's just more of man's attempts at trying to reach God in his own way & not God's way. Talk about putting God in a box. LOL




It does not make you wrong. But just because someone else chooses to name it something different and worship it in their own personal way, doesn't make them wrong either. In the end...it's how you've lived. Not what you named the entity you worship.


No! Not if you are eating from the tree of carnality...now how's that for being man made?

We are talking about God after all. His ways are not our ways...His ways are WAY higher. That's the point.

Are we talking about God's will or ours?


No one said anything about "eating from the tree of carnality", or of living a life of sexual appitites. In fact, I said nothing of the sort nor made any reference to it at all.

What I said, was that the entity you worship is the same as what others worship...but by a different name. I never said anything about it being "man's will"...I said that a person can become in tune and accept a spirituality beyond themselves and that they don't have to name that entity nor do they have to name it "God" to be correct. That the name "God" is a nickname for something greater than you are on a spiritual level, and that not everyone has to nickname the entity the same nickname to be correct.

And mankind is mankind...naturally anything greater than mankind would have different ways than man. So why would you think that your way is the only correct way? You just said yourself that mankind's ways are wrong and that only a higher source's ways are correct...so what's to say there is only one correct, straight, unswerving, path that leads to that entity and enlightenment?

I repeat: It's not what you name the entity you worship. It's how you live your life. If we are "eating of the tree of carnality" as you said...then I'm sure none of us will ever reach that higher entity. But just because someone has named your God by a different name, does not assume they are living a life of "carnality;
the practice of finding satisfaction in activities related to fleshly desires and appetites, especially the sexual. — carnal, adj." or "Noun 1. carnality - feeling morbid sexual desire or a propensity to lewdness". Not everyone that does not worship the divine entity you call God lives like that.


Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/carnality (just in case it's needed)

Scinn's photo
Sun 06/15/08 06:41 PM





BTW...the carnal man is emnity with the spirit man & therfore, I hate to tell you but aside from God there is no such thing as spiritual awakening. It's just more of man's attempts at trying to reach God in his own way & not God's way. Talk about putting God in a box. LOL


Why must someone name their awakening "God" in order to be correct? A person can reach a point of spiritual awareness and connection without ever having to specifically name what it is they come in tune with. In the end, you do not need a name to define what something is or is not. Let's use an example.

The color red: It's the same thing. The same color, it never changes...red is always red. We call it red. In Japan they call it aka. Roho in Spanish speaking countries and etc etc. Now, because it's called aka in Japan, does that mean it's no longer red? That it's somehow become corrupted, or less true or "missing something" that would make it red? No. It's still red. Just by a different name.

So...you call it God. Others have different names for it and some have no name for it. In my opinion, by whatever name a person chooses to call the entity, the entity has not changed, been corrupted or misinterpreted. It's still the same entity...just by a different name. I firmly believe there is something greater and bigger than us...now be it a devine entity or a scientific explaination...*no one* knows until we've died...but it does not deminish the fact that we are small and low on a cosmic totem pole somewhere. And I don't think that just because someone else chooses to faithfully believe in something different they are therefore wrong and damned. In the end...I don't believe that whatever that entity is would be so upset that someone called it by the wrong name that it would therefore condemn it to eternal damnation.

Not to mention...if we assume (for the sake of arguement on either end...I know, you believe it is true and that's great flowerforyou But not everyone does...so, we are assuming that *everyone* believes this is true) if we assume that Christianity is the one, true and only correct religion across the world, galaxy and universe..."God" is not his real name. Nor is "Heavenly Father" or "Jesus" or any of the other names. Those are names used by humans to *give* a name to something greater than they are that they don't fully know or understand. A nickname of sorts. Granted, it's used in a loving and respectful manner, but it is still just a nickname.

It does not make you wrong. But just because someone else chooses to name it something different and worship it in their own personal way, doesn't make them wrong either. In the end...it's how you've lived. Not what you named the entity you worship.


Oh, Oh, I'm in love, remind me I owe you some roses later!


BB - stay away from "scinn" you dont need anymore "scinn" in your life, laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh


Erm...while my name is pronounced that way...it has no resemblance in meaning whatsoever indifferent

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Sun 06/15/08 06:45 PM


BB - stay away from "scinn" you dont need anymore "scinn" in your life, laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh


Oh no does that mean I've come face to face with original "scinn"?

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Sun 06/15/08 06:46 PM
Actually I find the billboards quite impressive..do you know how much it costs to rent one of those things?? Its surprising that after paying out all that settlement money to the families that got molested by priests that the "Church" has any cash left to spread the "good word"...
Guess there are a lot more of 'em around that what the stats show or, they are filthy stinking rich...I can think of better uses for the money..but no one is asking me...:tongue: