Forget that.... I am not going to compete against rants anymore or long winded tirades about Christians or Christianity.

It's apparent that a few of you know what the Bible says & just aren't open minded enough to receive it. So be it but as for me & my house...We will serve the Lord & obey His word.

I'll leave you to your fake gods that do nothing for your sad souls.

So, if you're so happy with your choices, why are you here pounding your fist on the proverbial desk? How does my agnosticism impede your understanding and worship of what you perceive to be god?

See, I think you just can't stand someone not agreeing with you and your cookie cutter world and it makes you go postal. Ever hear the saying to the effect that you can catch a lot more souls with sugar than with bile?


-Kerry O.

I wasn't pounding anything. Some things are not worth getting into is all.

Cookie cutter world? LOL I'm sure that's all the carnal mind can see. hehehe

'Carnal' mind? You _really_ don't know me if you think that. But then you're just looking to hit back, aren't you?

-Kerry O.

I'm sure that's all the carnal mind can see. hehehe

You do like to use the word "carnal" a lot ...

Strange really. Im supposed to be a heathen and devil worshipper and I dont use it at all.

Not getting any, are we?

You do like to use the word "carnal" a lot ...

Strange really. Im supposed to be a heathen and devil worshipper and I dont use it at all.

Not getting any, are we?

On the other thread it was established she believes she is using it in the biblical sense which actually has nothing to do with what carnal as a definition means. Tribo provided a definition that indicates it means incomplete unreborn man.

However I disagree saying in the biblical sense carnal refers to carnal sin most of the time. I think religions trying to re-define what a word means because someone translated the work wrong is folly.

You do like to use the word "carnal" a lot ...

Strange really. Im supposed to be a heathen and devil worshipper and I dont use it at all.

It's apparent that a few of you know what the Bible says & just aren't open minded enough to receive it. So be it but as for me & my house...We will serve the Lord & obey His word.

I'll leave you to your fake gods that do nothing for your sad souls.

Serve your lord and master and obey him, because by his law, the punishment for disobedience is death, and hey, you gotta love that.

Disobedience is sin. "The wages of sin is death." That is your Lord God who made this law for his servants/slaves.

So fall on your knees, Quickstepper and beg for his forgiveness because you have sinned and come short of his glory. Fear your almighty and all powerful God and beg for his mercy. You are his servant and his slave. You did give (or sell) your soul to him. Worship him and love him. He loves his obedient servants.

JB

No that's not a great concept at all. What kind of a supreme being would threaten to harm people for not worshiping him? Sounds like something straight out of Greek Mythology.

I'm sorry to hear that you have been frightened by these old myths. I can assure you that there is nothing to fear George. You can rest assured that if there is a supreme intelligence behind the creation of this universe it would not have stooped such ruthless and disgusting tactics as this to try to get people to worship it.

Yes, there most likely was a man named Jesus. He probably was a really great teachers and he probably did teach love and respect for all men. He probably did confront the Romans in a civil rights movement. And he probably was crucified unjustly on a cross. And there probably were roomers floating around that he was seen after he had died. After all, he was a martyr to the people.

Unfortunately, he was probably used again by the authoritarians to create a religion that is based on this martyr. They no doubt were anxious to use the rumors of Jesus having been seen after he was crucified. That would just play right into their hands. They created a Church of Christ and used it to restore law and order using the authority of the church to rule over the land.

It worked so well, and they enforced it so violently that it became the major religious power of the region and beyond.

Are you aware that it was the early Christian Church that actually went into Greece and very methodically proselytized the relation and gradually denounced the Greek religions as myths. Yes, it's true. For the Greeks the Greek Gods and Goddess were very real. They worshiped Zeus and Apollo with the same sincerity and devotion that Christian today worship Jehovah and Jesus. But via hardcore, threatening, and relentless proselytizing the Christians finally won the religious propaganda wars and eventually proclaims that the Greek Gods were myths and that their Jesus was the only real true God.

They abused and used Jesus him to create a religion that spread hatred and fear throughout the world.

You are now in the aftermath of all this. And those same authoritarians, used Jesus are now using you via their ugly hateful religious machinery. Sure, they are long dead gone. But they have still successfully brainwashed you just via pure momentum. They are using you to spread the same hatred and religious intolerance.

You are preaching to people, "Either worship Christianity or go to hell!"

It's has nothing to do with Jesus. Jesus was just used just like you are being use. They didn't kill him with the intention of using him. They killed him as an example to show the people that they won't tolerate civil protests. But then after they killed him he became such a martyr in the people's eyes that the uncouth authoritarians created a religion out of him to spread religious intolerance throughout the land.

That's all you are doing here George. You're just spreading more religious intolerance. You preaching, "Either worship Christianity or go to hell!" Either bow down to this religion or God himself will shun you for all of eternity and you won't get a second chance! Get down on your knees right now and worship this RELIGION.

You see George, it's not about love. It's not about personal salvation. That's just a guilt trip to get people like you to do precisely what the authors of the religion had in mind.

Do you honestly believe that the creator of this universe could be as ruthless and cutthroat as the men who wrote these terrible hateful stories? Stories that portray God as an egotistical pig who will toss anyone into hell who doesn't bow down and worship him????

So you REALLY BELIEVE that the creator of this universe could be that disgusting?

I believe that Jesus is the Son of God. That is his message and that's my message to you. If you care to accept him, he has salvation for you. If you don't care to accept him, he'll shun us after we pass from this life. Not a great concept.

I'm glad you're looking at these threads. These may be threads where God can speak to your heart. I hope that he does.

I've had a long struggle with this. I had to figure out how God fit into my life and how to walk once I accepted his life, death and ressurection by faith. It takes worship, fellowship, discipleship, ministry and mission to make a complete Christian life once you get past the initial accept or reject thing.

Christ is offering you his salvation today. It's a free gift. All you have to do is turn to him, publicly admit you sin and your need for him, your belief in his life, death and ressurection (if you, in fact, believe it: it takes faith), and your willingness to ask him into your life and your willingness to let him start to take over.

Hard to do. Hard to explain how it all works, but I like to try and that's what this thread is all about. I appreciate you sharing your beliefs with me and the opportunity to share my beliefs with you.

May God reach you through this forum and other avenues he has.

Geo.

I, like many others here, have observed you for a while ,

and while i cannot say that i have read everything you have written here...
I, among others really care for you and your soul,
and it grieves us so , to see the obvious turmoil
that on a daily basis, absolutely consumes you so...

for i truly believe...
that if you actually believed 100 %
of all the things you say,
you would not be on these forums every day ...
you would be so wrapped up in the life
you say is so free from bondage...
yet every day you are here and with such fervor,
i can't help but see such an imbalance...

and i was just wondering....
and i am only saying this in love
for i would never want to hurt you in any way...

I know a little of how very much your Mother means to you,
and I believe I read you say that she was a devout Christian
and that you thought that if anyone deserves to go to Heaven
it would be her ...
so with that in my mind and in my heart
I have a burning question....
I'd like to ask you to please search your heart
and soul ...

You don't have to answer here unless you want to,
of course, but i wonder what your Mother would think ...

I just feel that she would be so grieved & so very sad
to read some of the things you write ,
and i wonder what you think of the reaction
that she might very well have ..
since she was a devout Christian and loved you
with all of her heart ,
and wanting the very best for you ...
would be devastated forever if her beloved begotten Son
were not with her and with God for all of Eternity ?

We need some of those carmel minds.

I like carmel apples. Never eaten a carmel mind. How about a carmel brain?

or is that caramel?

For some people, acceptance of a higher power requires that the higher power be more evolved than they are, or at least personify the more evolved parts of their existence.