What good does it do to try to spread acceptance of Jesus when psych threat tactics oppose his teachings of love?

I am ashamed

Yes well some on these boards are so negative & insulting when people express their faith in God His word. That's to be expected. I have a little card that I carry to lead people to the slavation prayer.

Not that I don't love them but many really are seeking the love that only God can give them. Everything else is just controversy.

Uh...many people who think self control is admirable don't mind the boundries God sets. If you think there's something wrong with that well maybe there is really something wrong with you.

Yu think?

See the problem with that is that everyone goes about saying that God gives you free will so that you can do and choose what you want in life. Although if that is the case why is he setting boundaries in the first place?

And in the second place, the "boundaries" that are set aren't even really this issue. It's the overlaying threat that if you cross my boundaries you will burn in hell for eternity so it's the you better be good for goodness sake nonsense.

Innately, souls all have a will. The will is present in all sentient persons or beings. Soul is always free. The will is soul.

But when you give up your life (and soul) to another (a being or a "god") and become a slave or obedient servant to them, you have given up your right to make choices in opposition to your master. Any disobedience is called a "sin." Your master owns you and cares for you. But if you do not obey him, you will suffer the consequences. "The wages of sin are death."

Disobey, and you will die. That is your master's law. The only way around it is to beg for your master's forgiveness.

Therefore, slaves have no free choice. They still have a will of their own, and they can walk away from their master if they so chose, but as long as they are in bondage, they are subject to the law of their lord and master. (The wages of sin are death.)

If you leave the service of your master, you have to become responsible for all of your actions. You will pay the price for all of your mistakes. There is no forgiveness except what you can earn from you fellow beings. You must make restitution and you must take responsibility and you must save yourself.

But you will have free choice. You will not have to obey your master, and you cannot "sin" if you have no master.

You will be subject to the law of karma and cause and effect for all your actions.

You will take full responsibility.

You will be free.

JB

You have to work hard to convince them that religions hell and heaven are ancient and primitive promises with no truth attached to them .............. .

I like to believe that I approach spirituality and religion from the position of an adult. Although I am imperfect in my spiritual enlightenment I try to embrace this while rejecting or trying to improve the less enlightened parts of my behavior or belief.

When I made my choice it was a matter of accepting responsibility for myself. I have responsibility for my actions without blaming any higher power, or without giving anyone my burdens. My point here has been that telling someone they must follow your version of "God" or "Christ" or be called enemy or reminded that they will fry in your view of "Hell" is a psychological attack, and implies by it's nature that you are demanding that others follow your god or jesus that you OWN in your mind because you believe that only your thoughts about them are correct.

I personally believe that this turns more people away from this narrow view of "God" and Jesus Christ as you know him by showing a hateful seperatist side of personal belief.

From what I understand I have good company in my opinion that although we respect the right of others to believe differently we believe that this negative boundary or attempt to "enslave" the souls of others with your personal view of god as Sinful and possesive.

Once when some local women were going from door to door to share the love of Christ with people when they knocked on my door they asked if they could discuss Christ and God with me.

The couple consisted of an older woman and a younger woman. I told them I was non-christian and that I only asked that they respected my right to have beliefs, and my difference of opinion about those beliefs from theirs without being preached to from their perspective. (This is paraphrased without remembering exact words.) The younger woman seemed confused, whereas the older woman nodded and smiled. This nod and smile to me is the indication of one who understands and respects the true path of enlightenment. That is without having to understand respecting the spiritual beliefs of others and loving one's fellow human beings because we are all brothers and sisters.

I believe the spreading of religion and the sharing of one's joyful enlightenment is meant only for those that need it. This would be those that lack any path of spirituality or joy of feeling a spark of enlightenment. All true spiritual paths can be a blessed or horrible thing depending on their application and the way they are approached or used. I personally believe the key in religious acceptance and enlightment is accepting that we are all the same in the eyes of any higher being and it is our treatment of others rather than our proffessed opinion or wish that others accept our views.

Quickstepper I would like to know if you know what the Pharisees were? Do you know what Jesus is said to have said about them in Matthew 23? What do you think all of this means, and how would it be applied to the modern world of Christians?

I don't try to convince people of things. I just state the truth as I see it.

JB

Good work JB .

OK, so if you don't want to be good so you won't burn, couldn't you accept the Lord for other reasons? Was it not enough he gave his Son's life for us? Was it not enough that his Son's death set us free from the consequences of our own rotten actions? Is a good reason to turn to God a desire to have the help and counsel of the creator of the universe?

If that ain't enough, you probably aren't ready, but God'll be a'waitin for you when you are. If not, you meet him and answer for your refusal to come to him after you die. Your choice as to what to tell him about your life, eh?

me to jellybean

Hey JB I like almost all of your entries you seem to make a lot of sense!

I disagree about sin. Although I agree with the concept of what you are saying somewhat, I think sin is a useful definition of wrong action. Wrong action would be one that hurts another being without cause (such as self defense when neccesary). Althought many view sin in the ancient way as a action against "God" which would actually be an action against the laws that man states are those of God, I view sin as a useful term to refer to "wrong action" even thought wrong action itself may not be easily defined due to difference in views.

Blackbird,

Using the term "sin" outside of religious doctrine is simply an incorrect usage of the word. It implies disobedience of a mythical god. Particularly the Christian god. It will give that impression to others if you use this word.

The term "sin" means different things to different denominations who are all to eager to state what they believe to be a "sin" because of some passage they read in the Bible.

The term "sin" (although sometimes used by people outside of religions as a blanket term to mean "wrong") alway implies a religious connection.

If you do not want to give the impression you believe in religious doctrine or that "The wages of sin is death" and that you must be forgiven for your sins (disobedience of your Lord and master) then you should not use this term to describe wrong actions.

Wrong actions will reveal themselves via the law of cause and effect. You will pay for your wrong actions one way or another. You will learn by your mistakes.

On the other hand, you must be "forgiven" for your sins by the Lord and Master Jesus Christ and accept him as your savior in order to be "forgiven" for your sins.

The reason you must be forgiven for your sins is because within that doctrine, to disobey your Lord and Master is punishable by death. Your Lord and Master Himself has the right to kill you if you disobey, (sin) but if you can get him to forgive you, then your life (or soul) is spared. You are promised eternal life in his heaven as his eternal obedient servant or slave. He will take care of you forever. You will belong to him. You are his property. It is a Master-slave relationship.

If you don't believe me, then try starting your own religion and make your own commandments and say that anyone who disobeys them has "sinned."

You will find that Christianity will not take kindly anyone stealing their term "sin." They own it. You cannot use it unless it is connected to them and their god.

JB

Well darn if they own sin I'm going to have to re-think how I describe wrong action in a way they can understand...

But if they own that word, could we take back all of our words they stole from us, and our holidays too while we are at it?

You can "be good" without selling your soul because you are afraid to "burn." You can "be good" and accept responsibility for your own actions. You can "be good" and also be free. Soul is free.

To accept any Lord and Master would be to sell yourself and your soul into slavery for "eternity." It is a Master-slave relationship. Yes, he promises to "take care of you." That is what masters do with their slaves. His forgiveness of you for your "sins" of disobedience gives you pardon so that you don't have to be killed... "because the wages of sin is death," that is his and his fathers law. Someone must die to pay for your disobedience, therefore that is the reason for the sacrifice.
That is why you are told that you must accept this sacrifice in order to be pardoned and forgiven for you disobedience of his own law.




If you were not considered to be a slave who disobeyed his Lord and master (sinned) and under the penalty of death, then no one would have had to die for your sins of disobedience.

But your god does not want to set his slaves free. He wants to own you and your soul. But this false god has no right to own your soul and he cannot own your soul unless you give permission. You must agree to give your soul to him and to accept the sacrifice in order to be in bondage to him.




You simply tell him that you are a free soul. You are not in bondage to anyone. He cannot force you to be his slave or his property. Neither can his brother Lucifer. They apparently both want your soul. Neither has the right to your soul. They are both false gods.

JB
Soul is free!

Yep. If you are going be a free soul you have to stop accepting their doctrine and their reality.

Soul is free.
JB

I hear what you're saying. I ignored the whole revelations/armoggedon/fire & brimstone aspect for a long time. It's not that I didn't study it but I didn't obsess or want to be scared into God. I know enough about it but that wasn't what I shared with people. Mostly I like to share the love of God for them...etc etc.... Rejection is taught not something we are born with...no child expects to be mistreated.

However, lately my spirit is so touched with an urgency to tell people they are in harms way & they NEED the Lord's help since I started getting closer to God. Plain & simple...we are heading for a real shaking by God & it's going to be tough for Christians, no less unbelievers. We need to be strong in our surrendering our resistance & whole heart to God so He can live in us to guide us through these times.

To my friends that are practicing all sorts of devil worship or are self proclaimed atheists, I am not hear to offend you but to tell you that you are worshiping something that will not save you. The feelgoodisms don't point the way to life for the soul like God does through His word. Frankly speaking, we ALL take God's mercy & goodness for granted. It's not always easy for Christians so I definately get your own struggle with Faith.

I just finished a 4 days conference & as soon as I can get this DVD on utube of one particular speaker I will post it here. Maybe those of you who are struggling with what God's word is saying will understand better when you see this. It's a bit over an hour but a REAL eye opener for those with eyes to see & ears to hear with the Spirit of God is saying in these days.

I really hope that the eyes of your understanding be opened. God bless & Good Night....

"friends practicing devil worship?"

What do they practice?

blackbird:

Well darn if they own sin I'm going to have to re-think how I describe wrong action in a way they can understand...

But if they own that word, could we take back all of our words they stole from us, and our holidays too while we are at it?

tribo:

try using the phrase "missing the mark" even goddess misses the mark occasionally