God says, "ALL have sinned and come short of the Glory of God".

Goodnite to All Now..and May ALL Be Blessed.....

and to All Fathers out there.....

HAPPY FATHER'S DAY!!!

thnx

Whoa. Just because I don't believe as you do, that doesn't make me evil, unenlightened or anything else you judge harshly. I got to work most days (even work a lot of Sundays), I pay my taxes, I obey the laws of the land and I am by concious and considered choice an agnotic and secular humanist. I'm sorry the binary thought patterns that go hand in glove with religious fundamentalism blind you to the fact that such narcissism turns a lot of people off. Like the Bible tells you, know what you can change and accept that which you can't and STOP getting in people's faces with statements like you've made above. That's why you get blowback when you proselytize so singlemindedly, NOT because people are evil or stupid.

-Kerry O.

I know exactly what you are saying .... and for the most part...we Christians do that. I prefer to encourage people with the love of God by sharing with them what He has done for me.

My attitude was that I didn't want to be scared into God. I wanted love from God but didn't RECIEVE it because I didn't think I DESERVED it. No Christian ever made me feel that way...it was my own life experience that conditioned me that way.

I am finally seeing God for who He truly is & not what my life experience limited me to. Until now I loved God for who He is & what He can do...but I was still afraid of trusting Him. Now I am stepping out & giving Him Lordship over my life... it's in surrender that we find true peace that guards our very heart & mind thru Christ Jesus.

I went to the conference & experienced God's glory cloud pass by & envelop me & heal me. I know sickness left my body because I wanted to recieve everything I could (& much more too). Nothing happened the way I imagined it would, that's why I KNOW it was God who was doing the doing.

People feel rejected by God when nothing happens for them. I do understand that. I was dry in faith for so very long, but an amazing thing happens when God says...My child...I didn't forget you. Your time has come. I am going to raise you up now to fulfill your purpose. It's awesome. I feel like this is the first day of the rest of my life.

As far as devil worship... anything not from God is just that but I want people to experience what I have been experiencing. God is not only with us but His Life LIVES IN US TOO!!!!!

It's light & life for the very heart & soul of man. anything less than God Jehovah...the Lord our God the Lord is One...is shortchanging yourself...that's all I'm saying.

Blackbird...now is the time for ALL mankind to repent....for the kingdom of God is here...with us ...right now...Let it be done on earth as it is in heaven...... It's time for humanity to RECEIVE from the glory of God.

The Lover of their soul. As I am drawing closer to God I feel such an urgency like never before to tell people...Now! Do it now...repent so you can enter into His glory & LIVE!

So what is it that I, or any other non christian on this site need to repent for? I am just going to speak for me now because I don't really know anyone on this site personally and don't want to misrepresent. Although I know I am a good person. I get up each day, I go to work, I do my job, I pay my bills, and I help people who I see in need, even above myself sometimes.

I live my life the way I want too and I have no regrets in regards to doing horrible things because I don't do them. I do my best not to lie to anyone even though I know the truth will hurt them much more. I feel that I owe them enough respect to be open and honest with them. I live a good, happy, and FREE life. So tell me? What must I repent for?

If they only thing that I need to repent for is not beleiving in a god that would condemn a good person to hell for all eternity for not believing in him in the first place. I will gladly take the fire and brimstone over an eternity in heaven with a hypocrite. Scare tactics are not an appropriate way to try to "save" someone. Especially when most of the people don't need to be "saved" in the first place.

Some of the greatest people I know do not follow the Christian path and if I had the choice of spending an eternity in hell with good, honest, and people who chose to be free, than to lie to myself and to others around me to spend eternity in heaven with a bunch of people who gave up their lives to a vindictive master, because if that is what really happens then god really is nothing more than a vindictive hyprocrite and I want nothing to do with him anyway.

I have nothing to repent for.

RATHIL:

So what is it that I, or any other non christian on this site need to repent for? I am just going to speak for me now because I don't really know anyone on this site personally and don't want to misrepresent. Although I know I am a good person. I get up each day, I go to work, I do my job, I pay my bills, and I help people who I see in need, even above myself sometimes.

I live my life the way I want too and I have no regrets in regards to doing horrible things because I don't do them. I do my best not to lie to anyone even though I know the truth will hurt them much more. I feel that I owe them enough respect to be open and honest with them. I live a good, happy, and FREE life. So tell me? What must I repent for?

If they only thing that I need to repent for is not beleiving in a god that would condemn a good person to hell for all eternity for not believing in him in the first place. I will gladly take the fire and brimstone over an eternity in heaven with a hypocrite. Scare tactics are not an appropriate way to try to "save" someone. Especially when most of the people don't need to be "saved" in the first place.

Some of the greatest people I know do not follow the Christian path and if I had the choice of spending an eternity in hell with good, honest, and people who chose to be free, than to lie to myself and to others around me to spend eternity in heaven with a bunch of people who gave up their lives to a vindictive master, because if that is what really happens then god really is nothing more than a vindictive hyprocrite and I want nothing to do with him anyway.

I have nothing to repent for.


tribo:

there referring to thier belief of "original" sin as the sin that needs forgiven - that which they believe is in all of us since adams sin. our supposedly inherited "sin nature" caused by adams disobedience. we are all found "guilty" in their gods eyes because of that, and if we don't accept gods way of forgiveness for it we will be seperated from him because god can't be connected with any sin. Doesn't matter how good we are RT, in their gods eyes were the worst thing he created funny huh, he created us knowing we would sin and then punishes everyone ever born because of what adam did??. Nice story, has kept the man made religion alive for centuries, but that's all it is, a story, no proof no logically thinking substance or anything else. just a way to herd in the sheep, all the ""bleeting"" hearts who read and accept mans religious folly as fact, they have set aside common sense and logic because god wrote he would fool the wise and reveal it to the childlike hearts - another way to suck the sheep into doing as there told.why fool the wise? because evidentally he wants to have a place filled with "followers" not free thinking people - just ones who will obey him, hmmmm? give us free will then take it away ?? this god is so "iffy" its scary. if jesus is part of this fatherly god i want nothing to do with either. He is niether trustworthy, nor honest.

The things we need to repent for include breaking God's laws. It's said, "for whoever shall keep the whole law, yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all" (Gal 3:10).

"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" is what Romans 3:23 says.

and "As it is written, there is none righteous, no not one," says Romans, 3:10, quoting a verse of Isaiah 55, I believe.

Blowback doesn't bother me. What would bother me would be if I didn't have a chance to share what the Lord has said, if I didn't have a chance to share the Gospel while I could and to testify to you that Jesus lived, died and was raised from the dead for our benefit.

He's around and is ready for us. The question is, are we ready for him and will we accept what he has to say and what he has for us.

If you believe that and it makes your life better, I'm okay with that.

Quickstepper you have the spectacular skills of a politician ignoring the questions while seeing it from the same view.

I repented from being Christian, in my view it is blasphemy and calling on the name of jesus with all of your lungs, withought feel him in your heart. What I am saying here is that there are many good Crhsitians out there that follow Christ, but it's obvious that too many christians go around encourgaing others to follow him when they themselves don't follow him or demonstrate knowledge and acceptance of his lessons.

So far as Devil worship goes...that is one of the most tragic misconceptions in Christianity. Calling everything else devil worship is calling the following of Chrit's lessons as they were given in other parts of the world Devil worship. I think I have seen enough devil worship from proffessed devout Christians anyway...

oops double entry must have clicked wrong...

Well without repentance you will never attain to anything in the spirit realm that God has for you. You have to be made in His SPIRITUAL image in order to RECEIVE from Him.

Let it be done on EARTH as it is IN HEAVEN goes hand in hand with Repent...for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand. THAT MEANS IT'S HERE...FOR AS MANY WHO WILL RECIEVE IT.

...but you already made up your mind ...

So why even bother to ask?

That's your cynical view of a Christian, dear heart. Don't say I don't care because I do care. Why are you lumping every Christian the same for what a few people did to you? I never let anything or anyone stand in my way of finding out if God is who he says He is. You are putting too much emphysis on repentance & not the glory. But more important is you want to make me out to be a bad guy for saying what's in God's word. It's what I believe because God says so.

I believe in God the Father... I believe in Jesus Christ...I also believe in the cross & resurrection power that Jesus brought to all humanity through His sacrifice. I believe because of that great & awesome Love there is no other way to our loving Father God. It's like biting the hand that fed you. BTW...I don't play in other people's ball parks. I just share my belief according to God word. It may not be what you want to hear but nonetheless....

If you are looking for me to accept you I already do. I think you are having a hard time with me because of my faith in God the Father, Jesus & God's word. If you want to make me out to be a bad guy because of what God says so be it. I will still stand on it but I think you are the one being selective about what I am saying. That's ok though... I only plant seeds...God does the rest of the farming. :)

BTW....have a wonderful Father's Day to all.

Actually I've been the last one to talk about the negative consequences of non-acceptance of Christianity that's been your stance I have repeatedly disagreed with. I've been refering to bad behavior sets that contradict their stated goal.

I am having an easy time with all of it, I understand religion and spirituality quite well from a number of different perspectives. I simply find a cultural genocide point of view destructive rather than enlightened. JB has made statements leading one to believe that the Christian way is selling your soul to a false god. Me personally I think she makes a very interesting point if one considers the overall spiritual condition. However, my difference in goals is to make clear that the claim that only one religion is valid and all others are "devil" worship is a uninformed, uneducated, hostile form of attempted cultural genocide that asks all of the people of the world to forsake their own culture, heritage, and spiritualism to follow that of the Hebrew god, and a Jewish genetic following that even the Jews reject.

It's far from being about religion, it's about cultural slavery. It's the pefect mix of we offer this and this and this, and if you don't play along fry in hell forever. The price of accepting and giving into fear is denouncing your own true heretige and true spirituality and objective views. So in essense this is a form of racism followed by those that lack even a claim to be part of that "race" through cultural genocide that follows concept rather than skin color.

Some faith can be confused in that you seem to think that my faith is not valid because I have faith in something different.

Even recently the pope denounced the attempts of parts of Latin American to reclaim their own culture through revival and this has not demonstrated what kind of cultural genoicide the established church represents to mankind?

Doing something wrong and blaming religion for human failings or pride is a trap that just digs a deeper and deeper hole burying one's soul in deception, lies, and darkness.

The last woman I was in a relationship was Catholic. As a matter of understanding one another and offering mutual respect we watched "Kingdom of heaven" together. We with mutual respect discussed the spread of religion through latin America and the effects it has had on the people. The Movie Kingdom of heaven while lacking historical accuracy speaks greatly of the difference between spiritual fortitude and the abuse of religion for personal purpose. One of my favorite quotes that reveals this difference is this:
"Hospitaler: The king has made a peace with Saladin these past six years. He holds Jerusalem as a place of prayer for all faiths... as the Muslims did before we came. These men are Templars. They killed Arabs.
Balian: So they are dying... for what the Pope would command them to do.
Hospitaler: Yes. But not Christ, I think. Nor this king."

Quickstepper wrote:



I agree that source not only is with us, but has its life in us too! That makes perfect sense to me. I do understand this feeling. It is the pantheistic concept.

But it is delusional on your part to imagine anyone worshiping the "devil" just because they do not have the same exact religion as you do. (Christianity and all its mythical trappings.)

I have said this before and I will say it again. Christianity does not own god.

Source lives in all things and lives and has its life in us. This I do understand and believe. I do not worship your mythical "devil."

That is your delusion. I'm sorry for you if you do not see this truth.

JB

hmmm don't you get it? it's not just the christian religion thats a sham - its "ALL" organized religions that are shams.man made farces.If man has had a hand in it it is not to be trusted. there is no organized religion i will ever accept as "the truth" there are no words in books or spoken that if man has put them forth as ultimate truths that are worth my or anyones time. The only truths that exsist are self evident, they need no defense, they need no one to believe them - they could give a crap less if anyone even cares about them - "they just are" - "natural truth's" are all i can or will believe "ever". Everything else is a spiritual and mental meatmarket of proverbial canard's.

Amen to that...

No religion owns god.

Gee George, coming from a religious family, don't you think I've heard this about a million times before? Do you know what Einstein said about trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

Bible thumpers generally don't have stellar reputations outside their small spheres of influence, and not without good reason-- they haven't learned how to _listen_. It's their way or the highway to hell, boundaries be damned.

And they'll think nothing of ignoring signs on private property to wake one out of a sleep to answer one's door so they can preach at one. And when one is polite and tells them one is an unbeliever, "No thanks, have a nice day", they see that as a challenge and get all haughty. If not downright arrogant and abusive.

Sheesh, why can't you accept that NO means NO.

-Kerry O.

I wouldn't wake you up, unless you were on a computer somewhere or somepin.

And were I to meet you in person, I would feel no obligation whatsoever to convert you away from a belief system that seems to work well for you. To do so would be violating your boundaries.

As Einstein said in his General Theory of Relativity, different observers moving under the influence of different forces on different vectors will make different, but equally valid observations based on their frames of reference and motions. You have evidently experienced something I may not have, and vice versa. Isn't it just enough to leave it at that, and call it a day?

"Your daily life is your temple and your religion... And if you would know God, be not therefore a solver of riddles. Rather, look about you and you shall see him playing with your children. And look into space; you shall see him walking in the cloud, outstretching his arms in the lightning and descending in rain. You shall see him in flowers and then rising waving his hands in trees." - Kahlil Gibran in "The Prophet"


-Kerry O.

Forget that.... I am not going to compete against rants anymore or long winded tirades about Christians or Christianity.

It's apparent that a few of you know what the Bible says & just aren't open minded enough to receive it. So be it but as for me & my house...We will serve the Lord & obey His word.

I'll leave you to your fake gods that do nothing for your sad souls.