look at the whole new testiment as a whole, don't pick and choose. you should also do full cross research before making a conclusion. there are some churches that don't allow women to lead anything but children and other women. then there are some who do. that is why the church split. over the small stupid details. the passage you chose was talking about in worship. not in life in general.

I think you are a reasonable person. I hope you find your way free of that Church.

Peace in Truth.

My church lets women be equal to men.

Well then here is a time after Jesus
Timothy 1

2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing,


It really surprises me that you woman would speak up at all. It looks like God makes it clear in the Bible it is not your place.

I disagree. This doesn't sound like a quiet, meak, submissive woman to me...

Proverbs 31:10-31
10 Who can find a good wife? For she is worth far more than rubies that make one rich. 11 The heart of her husband trusts in her, and he will never stop getting good things. 12 She does him good and not bad all the days of her life. 13 She looks for wool and flax, and works with willing hands. 14 She is like ships that trade. She brings her food from far away. 15 She rises while it is still night and makes food for all those in her house. She gives work for the young women to do. 16 She gives careful thought to a field and buys it. She plants grape-vines from what she has earned. 17 She makes herself ready with strength, and makes her arms strong. 18 She sees that what she has earned is good. Her lamp does not go out at night. 19 She puts her hands to the wheel to make cloth. 20 She opens her hand to the poor, and holds out her hands to those in need. 21 She is not afraid of the snow for those in her house, for all of them are dressed in red. 22 She makes coverings for herself. Her clothes are linen cloth and purple. 23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sits among the leaders of the land. 24 She makes linen clothes and sells them. She brings belts to those who trade. 25 Her clothes are strength and honor. She is full of joy about the future. 26 She opens her mouth with wisdom. The teaching of kindness is on her tongue. 27 She looks well to the ways of those in her house, and does not eat the bread of doing nothing. 28 Her children rise up and honor her. Her husband does also, and he praises her, saying: 29 "Many daughters have done well, but you have done better than all of them." 30 Pleasing ways lie and beauty comes to nothing, but a woman who fears the Lord will be praised. 31 Give her the fruit of her hands, and let her works praise her in the gates.

Dude this was life BEFORE we were given the commandments. Therefore meant to show the way of life before god's guidence. It's like there was a law that says you can beat your wife on the steps of the County Courthouse, now the law reads that you can't. WHICH ONE ARE YOU GOING TO FOLLOW? The one made obsolete by the new law.

New Testament
1 Corinthians
Women are commanded by Paul to be silent in church and to be obedient to men. He further says that "if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in church." 14:34-35

Nice trolling. What was this supposed to accomplish? I think it's pretty obvious, you want to drive women away from Christianity, great goal there. Do you also like to steal candy from babies and unplug life support machines in old folks homes? I think it's time to get a new because this one isn't nice.

Matthew 24:37 is an undeniable link to the brutality of the Old Testament, where Jesus compares his second coming to the destruction of the Great Flood that killed the world's population.

Your book ... Im only quoting from it, just like you do.

The bible has been the single most restrictive piece of literature for the freedom of women throughout the centuries.

But its ok .. you are male and dont have this "ownership" problem

Did Jesus ever condemn his father's previous massacres?

Mr Biblical scholar, I think you should read more than just one verse, don't you? Jesus was saying how the people were surprised by the flood, they will also be surprised by the second coming. Nobody will expect it, nobody will predict it. So Mr Biblical scholar, maybe you need to go back to school and focus on reading comprehension and ethics.

Are you capable of anything other than trolling?

Its only your interpretation of it though ...

As with everything else in the Bible, its contradictory

Are you ignorant or simply stupid? In Islam, a woman has no rights, that is taught by the Koran. In Islam, it's a common practice to castrate women. In Islam, it's a common practice to beat your wife, they even have specifications for how big the rod you beat her with should be. So tell me, how is "The bible has been the single most restrictive piece of literature for the freedom of women throughout the centuries" when it doesn't teach any of that? Is telling a woman to not ask questions while the preacher is preacher worse than a woman having her labia and clit removed with a rusty knife? More importantly, why do you choose to be so blind?

Do you have the capability of free thought?