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Everything that is written or said MUST BE INTERPRETED. Get a freaking clue man. Stop having your little temper tantrum about how mean God is. There is a correct intrepretation of that scripture, which is also what I posted. Yours is the "participation award" in the special Olympics interpretation of that scripture. Very good. so your interpretation is the right one because it is yours. A little narrow minded, isnt it? Why is my and other people's interpretation not right? Im not having a temper tantrum, Im finding your usual short-sightedness very entertaining |
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Are you ignorant or simply stupid? In Islam, a woman has no rights, that is taught by the Koran. In Islam, it's a common practice to castrate women. In Islam, it's a common practice to beat your wife, they even have specifications for how big the rod you beat her with should be. So tell me, how is "The bible has been the single most restrictive piece of literature for the freedom of women throughout the centuries" when it doesn't teach any of that? Is telling a woman to not ask questions while the preacher is preacher worse than a woman having her labia and clit removed with a rusty knife? More importantly, why do you choose to be so blind? But we are not talking about islam, are we? We are talking about your "merciful" god. plus, I think you will find that Islam is a relatively young religion compared to judaism and christianity and the bible would have been written at least 500 years before the Koran. and did hundreds of thousands of women in christendom get slaughtered for being a witch because of the bible? No, that never happened. I'm debating with someone who learned history from "Sabrina the Teen-age Witch". Why am I even wasting my time. The total number of witches burned at the stake was less than 5,000. 3,000 were burned in effigy, so the total number of actually executed was around 2,000. But that's just a silly strawman from someone without any real arguments, because...NEWS FLASH!!!! Christians were never commanded to burn witches at all. Those laws were given to Israel, which wasn't a country from 75AD until 1945 AD. |
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Everything that is written or said MUST BE INTERPRETED. Get a freaking clue man. Stop having your little temper tantrum about how mean God is. There is a correct intrepretation of that scripture, which is also what I posted. Yours is the "participation award" in the special Olympics interpretation of that scripture. Very good. so your interpretation is the right one because it is yours. A little narrow minded, isnt it? Why is my and other people's interpretation not right? Im not having a temper tantrum, Im finding your usual short-sightedness very entertaining My interpretation is right...becuase I read more than one verse. Yours is wrong because you read one verse and latched onto it. Matthew 24:37-42 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. You were the kind of kid who only read the first page of the book and tried to write a book report on it, weren't you? |
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Christians were never commanded to burn witches at all. Those laws were given to Israel, which wasn't a country from 75AD until 1945 AD. But it was from your bible that the command was taken. So, its selective christianity you practice then? The nasty bits you chose to ignore or forget and only the "Allahu Akbar" or "god is great" bits get through |
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You were the kind of kid who only read the first page of the book and tried to write a book report on it, weren't you? No, I was the kind of person that reads a book alleging fact, and then I ask questions. When the answers are non-sensical or fantasy, I continue to question. |
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Christians were never commanded to burn witches at all. Those laws were given to Israel, which wasn't a country from 75AD until 1945 AD. But it was from your bible that the command was taken. So, its selective christianity you practice then? The nasty bits you chose to ignore or forget and only the "Allahu Akbar" or "god is great" bits get through Those laws were given to Israel, they were not given to Christians. If you actually get around to reading the Bible someday, you will see that God gave all people 10 Commandments, but the Israelites were given 603 more. Just for the Israelites. It's very clear that they only apply to the Israelites, because it says so like a dozen times. "These are the laws given unto the Israelites by the Lord", etc, etc, etc. Christians have 10 commandments. 10. 10. Did you notice that Charlton Heston wasn't in a movie called "The 613 Commandments"? |
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You were the kind of kid who only read the first page of the book and tried to write a book report on it, weren't you? No, I was the kind of person that reads a book alleging fact, and then I ask questions. When the answers are non-sensical or fantasy, I continue to question. Maybe you should read the book before you criticize it? Just a thought. You seem to be a smart enough guy, why do you do something so dishonest and anti-intellectual? Would you take quotes out of context from any other book? If you actually stop and take a look at yourself, I think you will find that your behavior towards the Bible is different from your behavior towards any other book. |
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But we are not talking about islam, are we? I bought up Islam to refute your fallacious statement "The bible has been the single most restrictive piece of literature for the freedom of women throughout the centuries. " Changing the subject when someone points out the flaws in your arguments isn't good debating and it's actually pretty rude. |
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Those laws were given to Israel, they were not given to Christians. If you actually get around to reading the Bible someday, you will see that God gave all people 10 Commandments, but the Israelites were given 603 more. Just for the Israelites. It's very clear that they only apply to the Israelites, because it says so like a dozen times. "These are the laws given unto the Israelites by the Lord", etc, etc, etc. Christians have 10 commandments. 10. 10. Did you notice that Charlton Heston wasn't in a movie called "The 613 Commandments"? Actually yes I did notice that. I also noted that "Yes, there are two halves of the bible, and 90% of it is the Old Testament. Christians sure are quick to disown 90% of their perfect, inerrant book." If we were released from the laws of the Old Testament by the blood of Jesus Christ when He died on the cross, as many Christians assert, then why do so many Christians still use Old Testament laws on the rest of us? Consider Leviticus 20:13, where we are told that homosexuality is an abomination, and that they "shall surely be put to death". How come we hear about that, and other Old Testament laws so much? They are sure quick to whip out Old Testament laws when it is convenient for them to do so. Christians say "Well, it was different in those days..." Alright then-- how? How was it different, so that cruel wars of extermination and the slaughter of innocent children were perfectly acceptable to Christians? |
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Those laws were given to Israel, they were not given to Christians. If you actually get around to reading the Bible someday, you will see that God gave all people 10 Commandments, but the Israelites were given 603 more. Just for the Israelites. It's very clear that they only apply to the Israelites, because it says so like a dozen times. "These are the laws given unto the Israelites by the Lord", etc, etc, etc. Christians have 10 commandments. 10. 10. Did you notice that Charlton Heston wasn't in a movie called "The 613 Commandments"? Actually yes I did notice that. I also noted that "Yes, there are two halves of the bible, and 90% of it is the Old Testament. Christians sure are quick to disown 90% of their perfect, inerrant book." If we were released from the laws of the Old Testament by the blood of Jesus Christ when He died on the cross, as many Christians assert, then why do so many Christians still use Old Testament laws on the rest of us? Consider Leviticus 20:13, where we are told that homosexuality is an abomination, and that they "shall surely be put to death". How come we hear about that, and other Old Testament laws so much? They are sure quick to whip out Old Testament laws when it is convenient for them to do so. Christians say "Well, it was different in those days..." Alright then-- how? How was it different, so that cruel wars of extermination and the slaughter of innocent children were perfectly acceptable to Christians? What makes me smile is that you think you have scored a point... Why don't you be clear, okay? No shotgun arguments, no strawmen, what are your problems with Christianity. I only ask that you are honest, open and actually read and think about the answers. |
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Maybe you should read the book before you criticize it? Just a thought. You seem to be a smart enough guy, why do you do something so dishonest and anti-intellectual? Would you take quotes out of context from any other book? If you actually stop and take a look at yourself, I think you will find that your behavior towards the Bible is different from your behavior towards any other book. I have read it a couple of times in fact and the Koran. and I have the same disdain for both of them. Why is it dishonest to quote sections of your book for my side of the debate that totally repudiate your sections of the same contradictory book, but when you do it its ok? |
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it was brought to my attention in another post i did, that i have made up what a man (or woman) ought to be. its been a couple of days since replying because i wanted biblical scripture to back me up. well... here are my findings and i am going to let the scriptures speak for themselves. Ephesians 5:1-4 "be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. but among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of greed, because these are the improper for God's holy people. nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving." you all can also look up: Ephesians 6: 10-18 Galatians 5: 16-26 Exodus 20: 3-17 2 Timothy 2:22 feel free to add more if you have suggestion. this one go ahead and debate about if you want. I am a Christian..but I do those things. I use foul language, had premarital sex, make dirty jokes. Let us be careful about preaching....unless we are near perfect. Don't get me wrong. I know that you mean well. But, I don't want...Atheist,,,etc..too get the wrong impression. I know Arabic persons that say they are Muslim, yet in Iraq I saw them drink, watch them sell porn and smoke...even during Ramadan ( misspelled...lol). That means we hear the Word, but we don't practice it. I will not judge another or decide who is going where. I may be a complete #$%itch sometimes, but even I feel like I am being preached too sometimes. Do not repeat Scripture unless you practice it. It makes it seem like, we, Christians are better than others. We are not. I believe every person no matter what they believe or do not believe are human beings. Yet, I will dig into you when I get emotional  Anyway, be nice and polite when making statements like that. Just speak in your own words. Well, this is just my opinion. There may be someone out there who needs to hear the word. Wait...I just looked in the mirror and I am still not God...
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What makes me smile is that you think you have scored a point... Why don't you be clear, okay? No shotgun arguments, no strawmen, what are your problems with Christianity. I only ask that you are honest, open and actually read and think about the answers. Im glad I made you smile. Its what life is all about. Im totally honest in my dislike and contempt for a book that leads people themselves into dishonesty and an inability to see it for what it really stands for. Contradiction and hazy fables that can be adapted for use and abuse depending on the lack of will of the sheep and the forceful will of the shepherd |
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Maybe you should read the book before you criticize it? Just a thought. You seem to be a smart enough guy, why do you do something so dishonest and anti-intellectual? Would you take quotes out of context from any other book? If you actually stop and take a look at yourself, I think you will find that your behavior towards the Bible is different from your behavior towards any other book. I have read it a couple of times in fact and the Koran. and I have the same disdain for both of them. Why is it dishonest to quote sections of your book for my side of the debate that totally repudiate your sections of the same contradictory book, but when you do it its ok? Are you serious? All I did was quote MORE of that passage. You look one sentence out of context and put your own spin to it. That's why what you did was wrong. There is absolutely NO WAY you can't see that. I refuse to believe that you are that ignorant. Honestly, I didn't go to another part of the Bible, I just put the verse you quote into context. |
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But, I found out last night I am a zookeeper. Do they get paid well. Right now I only have a goat and a pregnant cow
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Im totally honest in my dislike and contempt for a book that leads people themselves into dishonesty and an inability to see it for what it really stands for. Contradiction and hazy fables that can be adapted for use and abuse depending on the lack of will of the sheep and the forceful will of the shepherd I must be able to see the future, because I knew you wouldn't be able to meet my challenge. |
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Are you serious? All I did was quote MORE of that passage. You look one sentence out of context and put your own spin to it. That's why what you did was wrong. There is absolutely NO WAY you can't see that. I refuse to believe that you are that ignorant. Honestly, I didn't go to another part of the Bible, I just put the verse you quote into context. But thats the whole point. Using sections can be used and abused. Just because if you read on there is a nice fluffy god is great bit, doesnt mean that the satanic bit before is ignored. You choose your fluffy bits to live by and then justify the bad bits by saying they dint exist! But they are there in black print |
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Are you serious? All I did was quote MORE of that passage. You look one sentence out of context and put your own spin to it. That's why what you did was wrong. There is absolutely NO WAY you can't see that. I refuse to believe that you are that ignorant. Honestly, I didn't go to another part of the Bible, I just put the verse you quote into context. But thats the whole point. Using sections can be used and abused. Just because if you read on there is a nice fluffy god is great bit, doesnt mean that the satanic bit before is ignored. You choose your fluffy bits to live by and then justify the bad bits by saying they dint exist! But they are there in black print But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. That only sounds evil if you take that verse completely out of context. |
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Who wrote that women of Islam get fixed down in the privates and do not get respected. Wow! How ignorant
I know alot of those women. They are respected and protected. The men carried pics of their daughters in their wallets and showed them off proudly. They told me how their daughters education was going, how much they loved them etc... You have been brainwashed. I saw women in Baghdad walking around alone wearing blue jeans and pumps. Some women choose to wear the cover. But, they do have a choice. There are women lawyers, doctors, teachers, and even radio hosts. Join the military for two years, go over there and find out. I love the Iraqi people. They just want peace. Their families don't move away when they get married, they just build another home. They take care of their elderly. Wow! If we only did that here in the USA. You are thinking of the Taliban!
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Im totally honest in my dislike and contempt for a book that leads people themselves into dishonesty and an inability to see it for what it really stands for. Contradiction and hazy fables that can be adapted for use and abuse depending on the lack of will of the sheep and the forceful will of the shepherd I must be able to see the future, because I knew you wouldn't be able to meet my challenge. Because there is no challenge presented and what you know or dont know is purely debateable anyway. ... and isnt seeing into the future the sign of witchcraft ... shall I drag up that phrase again? |
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