I currently live in a Muslim country and although female circumcision is still practiced in the south of Egypt, it is illegal.
Susan Mubarrak has campaigned against it for years.
Its also not a religious thing.
In Sudan and Chad they do it as a sign of womanhood



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Yep .. spot on. In Egypt its like that too.

But then Spider is a little fanatical about his beliefs. Even when you prove him wrong.

My previous church told me that women should be honored and respected. Men should take charge and make sure their famly is taken care of.

I say God created Adam and then said " Damn, I screwed up." Then he made Eve. See Adam was just a rough draft for prefection.

You also missed the one that says

As much as I fool around on this site, seriously I care about all human beings. Don't you just love the Muslim practitioners. They NEVER discuss religion and we just have fun. My,Arabic, interpreter friends in Iraq took me to eat pizza in Iraq. We just talked about life. But, they don't understand the Wiccans...lol. My Wiccan practicing friend brought up religion and they told him to fill up his mouth with pizza. They do not like to talk about religion at all. But, they respect everyone. It is those few Muslim, Christian etc that cause harm to human relationships. They are just human,they don't have the right to decide who believes what. Hey, though I am still going to mess with you non believers later...or until my hubby comes to visit again. I hope your thick skinned

This is why I gave up on religion. The Bible is so ambiguous that it contradicts its own teachings.

Think it's funny when Cristians say, "Oh I don't believe that part, I like this part better".

I call them "Designer Christians". They just pick and choose which parts they like and reject the rest.

Rather than getting into that silly game, I just recognize that the whole thing is total ambiguous and self-inconsistent.

Better off just dropping the whole thing. After all, how are you supposed to be obedient to a God when you can't even say with certainty what they hell he wants.

My skin is supa-tuff ... and Im happy being a non-believer.

it gives me an opportunity to enjoy the people depending on the country I live in.

The culture plays a big part too.

or the lack-of-hell ...

I like the question about why did god create satan and hell.

No one seems able to answer that one

So the end justifies the means?

I have not gone to church since I left Houston. I found a Luthern church that I liked there. All Christian churches believe the same thing...it is the doctrine that is different. But, the reason I liked this church was because they did not knock on my door, they did not ask me for money, they smoked at the door of the church, you could wear whatever you wanted and they answered any of my dumb questions. Don't get me wrong...I am still confused. But I have faith that there is something bigger than us. I am like an ant....I just won't be able to figure it until it's over. But, I need to believe in something.
I have gone to Wiccan services numerous times and met wonderful people...but I just did not feel it like they did. But, I have made some great friends. They do this on post at Ft Hood. It is so relaxing.I get so emotional and angry sometimes hearing the Christians and the other religious persons debating. I wish you would all meet up barbeque, fish, baby sit one anothers children or just talk " normal". I am like a little devil and I get so mad. One day we will all know the real truth and the funny thing is we mat be all right. You think God does not know chemistry etc... Some people are given the " gift" and we accuse them of Satanism etc... We are so dumb compared to " whatever" created us. It may be one big test and we may be failing.

Time for another flood then?

Im ok, Im a scuba instructor!

Me n the fish are on an intimate first name basis!

My previous pastor, very liberal, said that if you don't believe one part...then it is all wrong. You cannot have it both ways. Whoever said that to you Abra is very lost in the woods. I have read some scriptures, and I am a Christian, that I have had to wonder what he meant. The times were different then, Plus, if you don't read or speak the origianl language ( including slang at that time ) it is hard to interpret. That is why it is important to find a non conservative pastor, etc to answer our questions. But, even my pastor said " We could all be wrong...so, love ALL people." I miss him so much!

When I came back from Iraq this last tour I tried to committ suiced. I did not care if I went to hell or not. I am in hell. My friend shot herself in the face while there, my other friend had his leg blown off and etc... The world is full of so much hate and now I am. I used to be so nice. They found me and I was not breathing and I was so angry when I woke up strapped down in a hospital. Then, I come onto this website just to talk and people and they are so hateful. The world is full of $!hit. I just needed someone to talk to. I need to believe that suicide is wrong. But, if there is nothing after this who cares! Don't you people get it. You are arguing and you should be congregating to help one another. I will not come back to this site. It is too serious. I don't need sympathy. I am not writing this for that. I know that I am going to hell.

Perhaps you should talk to Amnesty International? It's in their report every year. There are 40 million women world wide who have gone through genital mutilation. Maybe you should tell them they are ignorant and it never really happened? Maybe you should tell them it's not in the Koran (but it really is! shhhhh!!!!)

I certainly agree with that. And that's precisely what I did. I tossed the doctrine away and went back to being my pure unadulterated self.

Fortunately I didn't have to go over into that mess to know that what you speak is the truth. I knew that the Iraqi people were decent people long before the USA even invaded Iraq.

I am truly sorry that you had to experience this. And I'm truly sorry for all the terrible things that happened because of the wrongful war in the first place.

I'm a USA citizen and I consider myself to be quite patriotic. Yet, I was vehmently against invading Iraq LONG before it became a reality.

I blame the entire mess on George W. Bush. And to be quite honest about I think his actions as president were extremely unChristain-like. Yet at one point he even claimed that God told him to invade Iraq! What moron.

Unfortunatly recognizing the culprit doesn't change what happened.

As far as helping one another, we are. I've made many friends on this site, and they have helped me in very deep and meaningful ways.

Dozens of people from this site have made a positive differnce in my life (many of them christians)

That doesn't mean that I'm going to support a myth though. Humankind in general moves forward much better when they accept truth. Not myth.

Humoring a myth is not the way to help people.

Strange how differently people view the Bible. After the reading the following, is there really any need to ask what the role of the male gender is? And for goodness sakes, doesn’t it feel a little scary to a woman to even consider asking a man to treat a woman other than how the Bible says?????

(A woman is never to open her mouth in church. She has nothing valuable to say and should limit her participation to asking her husband to explain things to her) "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church" (1 Corinthians 14:34-35).


(Women should never be teachers because they are easily deceived) "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression" (1 Timothy 2:11-14).

(A woman must obey her husband in all matters at all times) "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their husbands in every thing" (Ephesians 5:22-24). "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God" (1 Corinthians 11:3). "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord" (Colossians 3:18).

(God expressly says men are worth more, and actually provides dollar amounts proving this) "And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When a man shall make a singular vow, the persons shall be for the Lord by thy estimation. And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary. And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels. And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. And if it be from sixty years old and above, if it be a male, then thy estimation shall be fifteen shekels, and for the female, ten shekels" (Leviticus 27:1-7)


How long is a woman unclean after the messy act of childbirth?
Correct answer: D. (The woman is unclean for seven days if the child is a boy, but she is unclean for twice as long if the child is a girl) "And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days . . . But if she bare a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks" (Leviticus 12:1-5).

What are the requirements for a woman's physical appearance?
Correct answer: D. (A woman must dress modestly and refrain from wearing expensive jewelry and a woman should wear her hair long) "In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array" (1 Timothy 2:9). "But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering" (1 Corinthians 11:15).

women are deceitful and manipulative and because a woman's promise is null and void if her husband disapproves of it) "And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her" (Ecclesiastes 7:26). "But if her husband hath utterly made them void on the day he heard them; then whatsoever proceeded out of her lips concerning her vows, or concerning the bond of her soul, shall not stand: her husband hath made them void; and the Lord shall forgive her" (Numbers 30:12).

In times of war, what is God's plight for women in the captured areas?
(While the men are to be killed, the women are to be taken as slaves. Pretty women are to become the wives of conquering men who find them attractive. Women in places the Lord gives His chosen people as an inheritance are to be killed along with every other living thing) "And when the Lord thy God hath delivered [a city] into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones . . . shalt thou take unto thyself . . . But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth" (Deuteronomy 20:13-16). "When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies . . . And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house . . . thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife" (Deuteronomy 21:10-13).

Of course there is always the fall back - that in Genesis - well at least one version, women and men were created at the same time AS EQUALS.

I guess then it's just a matter of finding a male who will be submissive to his females wishes!

Since I quit teaching I seldom speak in public anymore.

Does that count?

Any takers?

I wish Christians would make up their minds. First they say that the Bible is GOD'S HOLY WORD, and now you are saying that "Okay first of all GOD didn't write the bible man did,..."

Then you tell people that Jesus IS GOD and that he CREATED THE UNIVERSE HIMSELF now you say this: "And Jesus was the son of God, NOT A WHOLE OTHER GOD."

Can you see why people are confused?

Jeanniebean