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I believe it is possible to recover the memories in spirit , although the human brain might have a problem with all of them, using only ten percent of it's capacity. so why can't you access that memory that would give your human brain the ability to be able to handle all your memories..surely that information exist I am currently exploring several possibilities. Yes, I believe there is a way to do it. That is what I call my search for the "Holy Grail"  JB now if you could access this "holy grail" as you call it and after becoming endowed with the sum of all those lost memories...what would your true self be The ultimate "true self" is God. Unlike Abracadabra, I don't think we go strait from being a human incarnate to being one with God. There is a more gradual process involved. (That would be like going from working in the mail room to being the president of the company in one promotion.) The first manifestation of my "true self" would be my higher self. That entity is the one that holds all the information, experience and memories of all of my personal incarnations in third density reality, which includes other planets and other dimensions like astral worlds. For the time being, that is what I refer to as my "true self." But the sum total of that self is not just memories, it is experience, information and personal preferences. JB the ultimate self wouldn't be one with god..if you obtained total knowledge wouldn't you be beyond god ..a god has needs to be endeared by lesser creatures than itself....if you had total knowledge explain why would you have such a need |
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the ultimate self wouldn't be one with god..if you obtained total knowledge wouldn't you be beyond god ..a god has needs to be endeared by lesser creatures than itself....if you had total knowledge explain why would you have such a need One does not obtain total knowledge, but one can reach a point where one has access to any knowledge desired. God does not do everything or know everything. God divides and delegates. Information is shared and stored in the body of God, and in your body, and in all things. I do not assume (as you do) that a god has or needs to be "endeared by lesser creatures than itself." That is an assumption on your part. |
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the ultimate self wouldn't be one with god..if you obtained total knowledge wouldn't you be beyond god ..a god has needs to be endeared by lesser creatures than itself....if you had total knowledge explain why would you have such a need One does not obtain total knowledge, but one can reach a point where one has access to any knowledge desired. God does not do everything or know everything. God divides and delegates. Information is shared and stored in the body of God, and in your body, and in all things. I do not assume (as you do) that a god has or needs to be "endeared by lesser creatures than itself." That is an assumption on your part. Where did you get this information from ?. What is your proof .....etc !. |
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the ultimate self wouldn't be one with god..if you obtained total knowledge wouldn't you be beyond god ..a god has needs to be endeared by lesser creatures than itself....if you had total knowledge explain why would you have such a need One does not obtain total knowledge, but one can reach a point where one has access to any knowledge desired. God does not do everything or know everything. God divides and delegates. Information is shared and stored in the body of God, and in your body, and in all things. I do not assume (as you do) that a god has or needs to be "endeared by lesser creatures than itself." That is an assumption on your part. Where did you get this information from ?. What is your proof .....etc !. I get and evaluate information from many sources and then I construct conclusions and my world view from that. My conclusions are flexible and temporary and subject to change upon any influx of new information. What we are discussing are beliefs and ideas. They are opinions. I do not find it necessary to prove or disprove my opinions or ideas. JB |
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One does not obtain total knowledge, but one can reach a point where one has access to any knowledge desired. "JennieBean"...this statememnt appears to be a contradiction ..because if one can has access to any desired knowledge then explain why one couldn't access the knowledge that would give them the ability to obtain total knowledge |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sat 05/17/08 04:07 PM
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One does not obtain total knowledge, but one can reach a point where one has access to any knowledge desired. "JennieBean"...this statememnt appears to be a contradiction ..because if one can has access to any desired knowledge then explain why one couldn't access the knowledge that would give them the ability to obtain total knowledge Perhaps I stated it wrong. It says that a person (or entity) can reach a point where they can have access to any particular knowledge desired. But to "know" everything at once would require that your attention be on everything at once. A single conscious entity cannot do this. In my opinion. ~~ not even "God." You can put water into a cup, but you cannot put the entire ocean into a cup. But if you had enough cups, you could put all of the water in the ocean into the cups. JB |
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Quikstepper
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..MY... ....GOSH!!!! God said he would use the lowly things...the simple things...to confound the wisdom of the "wise." LOL.... The debate that some here would try to attempt is exactly what God is talking about. The diatribes are realy long & boring & say nothing to edify anyone. I really wish some Christians would stop debating these people who clearly just want to argue & instead stay focused on sharing their faith. Anything less is a BIG... (YAWN) While some would insult simple faith I would say that it's better than these arguments you pursue because you aren't convincing anyone of anything but the fact that your circling the planet in your mind. It's like Beam Me Up Scotty. Next.... |
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Perhaps I stated it wrong. It says that a person (or entity) can reach a point where they can have access to any particular knowledge desired. But to "know" everything at once would require that your attention be on everything at once. A single conscious entity cannot do this. In my opinion. ~~ not even "God." but wouldn't access to any desire knowledge mean that a single conscious entity could achieve anything that nothing is impossible ...you are placing restrictions on total knowledge so therefore how can it be "total knowledge" and that is a contradiction You can put water into a cup, but you cannot put the entire ocean into a cup. with total knowledge couldn't you create a black hole in the cup and use the gravitional pull to suck the ocean into it .. "JennieBean" ..where have your imagination gone? ..it was going good until you brought god into the equation.. |
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I really wish some Christians would stop debating these people who clearly just want to argue & instead stay focused on sharing their faith. Anything less is a BIG... (YAWN) well "Quikstepper" why don't you try yawning your way over to "The COFFEEHOUSE CHAT FOR CHRISTIANS thread" there you can share your faith until armageddon comes ...and Britty is an excellent host..Britty is even nice to me now isn't that a miracle ..and there is rarely anyone debating their beliefs ..they are only sharing them ...I'm suprise that a good christian like yourself haven't post there ... |
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Jeanniebean
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but wouldn't access to any desire knowledge mean that a single conscious entity could achieve anything that nothing is impossible . Having access to information does not mean that this certain entity who has this access can achieve anything. I have access to hundreds of computer programs, including all their instructions but that does not mean I can take them and use them properly. It takes personal experience to actually take that information and use it or turn it into skills. This is why entities incarnate into the worlds they create, so they can gain experience. If you want to continue this conversation, I would prefer you send me a private message or start another thread as we have strayed off the subject of this thread. JB |
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I want you to really think long and hard before you answer....and do so with an open heart.... YOU ARE BORN YOU GROW AND GROW GO TO SCHOOL AND LEARN YOU GRADUATE AND GET A JOB YOU ACCUMULATE STUFF GET MARRIED ACCUMULATE MORE STUFF HAVE KIDS AND DIE Could this possibly be all there is to life. And if so what is the purpose? And if not what is the purpose? yeah except you forgot, happiness, fun, entertainment, love, special moments....and then you die, so don't waste to much time worrying about it |
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Having access to information does not mean that this certain entity who has this access can achieve anything. all the entity has to do is access the bit of information which would give it the ability to acheive anything.. isn't that what total knowledge is?....it now seems you are trying to prove that total knowledge doesn't exist... I have access to hundreds of computer programs, including all their instructions but that does not mean I can take them and use them properly. "JennieBean" how can you perform that function if you lack the knowledge to do so It takes personal experience to actually take that information and use it or turn it into skills. why would you need the experience when the experience is part of the total knowledge ...to need the experience only means you lack the total knowledge This is why entities incarnate into the worlds they create, so they can gain experience. who or what dictates that someone has to be incarnate to gain experience...you are allowing your beliefs to place that restriction on you yourself If you want to continue this conversation, I would prefer you send me a private message or start another thread as we have strayed off the subject of this thread. JB the thread was about the purpose in life...so in fact it hasn't strayed off the subject only thing we did was take it so deep that it now conflicts with your beliefs |
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JB
I just can't buy it.....Your going to learn what your going to learn in the life you have...the only life......If you keep coming back until you learn you lessons.....well then what sense would that make to reincarnate from say a eagle to me....different lessons...and then if you get to be a human and keep coming back as a human because your not learning what you should......again whats the purpose. There is a difference between playing a game.....and playing the game of Life.....I believe in a totally different concept and the way I look at it.....that it will always be a learning experience - all the pain and ugly. And as I have had a real life experience with my Lord & Savior I would in no way no anything that was not of him.....which includes reincarnation and evolution.....for me they are just silly.....and like in so many threads...I have proved this time and time again upon deaf ears....so be it's ok....what works for one doesn't work for others. Huge purpose because if you could imagine heaven with love and no sickness, and no diseases, and everyone who is just in eternal bliss....I am sorry but I would pick that over coming back time and time again to learn lessons that have no outcome. And you can say the same thing for reincarnation....You could spend a life time searching and trying to learn and keep playing the game for eternity for what reason....so you know you learn your lessons.....Then what? I am not saying or putting down our life experiences at all....they are important.....But then for me....they all lead to the Lord My God.....Because when I stand in judgement He will say Debbie with you I am well please and for me good and light and love of my Father will come of it.....how awesome is that. |
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JB I just can't buy it.....Your going to learn what your going to learn in the life you have...the only life......If you keep coming back until you learn you lessons.....well then what sense would that make to reincarnate from say a eagle to me....different lessons...and then if you get to be a human and keep coming back as a human because your not learning what you should......again whats the purpose. Well I'm not selling it. I am just putting the information out there. If you understand it, fine, if you don't, that's okay too.  There is a difference between playing a game.....and playing the game of Life.....I believe in a totally different concept and the way I look at it.....that it will always be a learning experience - all the pain and ugly. Everything is a learning experience. There is a lot to learn. And as I have had a real life experience with my Lord & Savior I would in no way no anything that was not of him.....which includes reincarnation and evolution.....for me they are just silly.....and like in so many threads...I have proved this time and time again upon deaf ears....so be it's ok....what works for one doesn't work for others. Whatever works for you. I don't think reincarnation is silly at all, in fact it explains a lot. Huge purpose because if you could imagine heaven with love and no sickness, and no diseases, and everyone who is just in eternal bliss....I am sorry but I would pick that over coming back time and time again to learn lessons that have no outcome. I don't think you would. The reason I don't think so is because you are here. You incarnated to the earth and you are here. You have probably done it many times before. You just don't remember. Eternal bliss is not all its cracked up to be. ITS BORING. And you can say the same thing for reincarnation....You could spend a life time searching and trying to learn and keep playing the game for eternity for what reason....so you know you learn your lessons.....Then what? You don't do it "for eternity" only for how ever long you want to do it. The reason is for the experience. You need the experience so you will have creative skills and knowledge you can apply in your travels through the many many mansions (worlds) of the body of God. I am not saying or putting down our life experiences at all....they are important.....But then for me....they all lead to the Lord My God.....Because when I stand in judgement He will say Debbie with you I am well please and for me good and light and love of my Father will come of it.....how awesome is that. If that is all you wish to do and attain, a pat on the head and approval from your father creator, and eternity in a blissful perfect heaven, then I am sure that is what you will get. JB |
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Abra:
I would say no risk, but plenty of adventure, noting to overcome.....well I think we get enough of that here. If you could have a life at the right hand of God...and have nothing bad....not a bag gig......I live a life of pure bliss....and that is here....I can't even imagine how awesome it will be with the Father God. No plot?????? for what......I would much rather prefer the bliss and argument.....heck no matter where you go abra you will argue....Hope if the good Lord takes you into heaven that there are lots of fences for you to argue with. Oh bummer...... And honestly again since "you" have no clue what it is actually going to be like.....don't assume that I didn't think anything through.....because my sweet I have..... Honey when everyone is in heaven....earth as we know it will be asta la vista baby. And for those in hell....well golly ding dang to late for sympathy from me on that one......And is there any difference of the pantheistic view as the Christian....except for the epochs....whatever the heck that is...gigglesnort. The rest of the dribble you just have fun with. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 05/19/08 01:46 PM
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Having access to information does not mean that this certain entity who has this access can achieve anything. all the entity has to do is access the bit of information which would give it the ability to acheive anything.. isn't that what total knowledge is?....it now seems you are trying to prove that total knowledge doesn't exist... Knowledge and information are not the same thing. Information is just information, it is not applied knowledge. Knowledge has to have a conscious entity who can access, understand and apply the information. I have access to hundreds of computer programs, including all their instructions but that does not mean I can take them and use them properly. "JennieBean" how can you perform that function if you lack the knowledge to do so? I can pull up a program on my computer, but I may not be able to operate it until I access the help screen, understand the information and then use my conscious will through experience to apply the knowledge. I know how to access the program and the help screen, but I don't know how to use the program until I learn it, experience it, and apply it. It takes personal experience to actually take that information and use it or turn it into skills. why would you need the experience when the experience is part of the total knowledge ...to need the experience only means you lack the total knowledge Very good question. It concerns the individual(and separate) nature of each entity and its personal experience. If it has had the experience in one of its incarnations it can apply the information, but if it has not, it must learn through its own personal experience. Experience is not part of the total knowledge, only the information is. You can read about how to climb a mountain, and you can watch it on television, but you cannot have the experience of it unless you do it, dream it or "hallucinate" it for yourself. That is what reality is for, to enter the dream and experience the sights, sounds, tastes, feelings and personal experience of being and doing. This is why entities incarnate into the worlds they create, so they can gain experience. who or what dictates that someone has to be incarnate to gain experience...you are allowing your beliefs to place that restriction on you yourself Soul yearns to be free. Every path you take, every choice you make, every incarnation you choose is basically your own choice. You are the higher self who chooses. The little self, or the incarnated personality has only restrictions that it has given to itself or agreed to. Any other restrictions are the laws of the world you are playing in. If you want to continue this conversation, I would prefer you send me a private message or start another thread as we have strayed off the subject of this thread. JB the thread was about the purpose in life...so in fact it hasn't strayed off the subject only thing we did was take it so deep that it now conflicts with your beliefs LOL okay if the thread goddess doesn't mind, I don't. So far I find nothing that conflicts with my belief or opinions, I am simply answering your questions. JB |
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JB & ABRA I am already one with God....the only difference between here and now.....and when I go to heaven....Is that I will see God....I will be with God......I will still do works for God....what not sure.......doing it....for sure. I am already my "true self" although not perfect....because no one ever was or will be except Jesus......Guess where he is.....at the right hand of the Father God. When Jesus comes back all the government all that we know will drastically change...... I think maybe you all need a reality check as far as other dimensions.....your purpose within them.....jmo |
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OH... ..MY... ....GOSH!!!! God said he would use the lowly things...the simple things...to confound the wisdom of the "wise." LOL.... The debate that some here would try to attempt is exactly what God is talking about. The diatribes are realy long & boring & say nothing to edify anyone. I really wish some Christians would stop debating these people who clearly just want to argue & instead stay focused on sharing their faith. Anything less is a BIG... (YAWN) While some would insult simple faith I would say that it's better than these arguments you pursue because you aren't convincing anyone of anything but the fact that your circling the planet in your mind. It's like Beam Me Up Scotty. Next.... hey...I actually agree with you.....
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JB & ABRA I am already one with God....the only difference between here and now.....and when I go to heaven....Is that I will see God....I will be with God......I will still do works for God....what not sure.......doing it....for sure. I am already my "true self" although not perfect....because no one ever was or will be except Jesus......Guess where he is.....at the right hand of the Father God. When Jesus comes back all the government all that we know will drastically change...... I think maybe you all need a reality check as far as other dimensions.....your purpose within them.....jmo If you feel that you are already "one with God" why do you feel you need to "go to heaven" to be with him? The existence of dimensions is a scientific fact. JB |
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Because right now I am spiritually with God....In heaven I will be with God in the flesh.....I will see him, and Jesus.
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