so "JennieBean"... would you want to be able to remember all that information resulting in you having total knowledge?

Not with this brain. It would probably explode.

However, the information can be accessed just like you access certain files on your computer.

JB

Well, of course I would.

I think what you fail to realize here is the difference. Between being a human being with a limited brain, and being in the spiritual form.

In the spiritual form you can remember EVERYTHING. But what perhaps not in the way that you might think. You’re not only going to remember all of Funches experiences, but you’re going to remember every experience that ever was!

As a spirit we all share a single mind. But not a single processor.

In the human form. We have a brain, and that brain contains our immediate memory which we can access very easily. However, we can also “remember” things outside of that experience.

Where do you think creativity comes from? If you could only know what you could remember you could never create anything new.

When new thoughts come into your mind you don’t think of them as ‘memories’. But they came from somewhere, right?

I’ve been to the spirit world in dreams. Where they just dream? Perhaps so. But they made perfect sense and everything was crystal clear in how it works.

There is no ‘mental privacy’ when you are a spirit. All spirits can openly read the thoughts of all other spirits. It’s not a problem in the spirit world because there is nothing to hide. There’s no ego in the spiritual world. The mind is the mind of God and all spirits share it equally.

All spirits are totally egalitarian in every way. There is no need for any spirit to pass any judgments on any other spirit. All spirits are friendly in the spirit world. There is no threat of any kind. There is nothing any spirit can do to any other spirit even if they wanted to. It’s impossible to harm a spirit in any way, or even ‘hurt’ it’s feelings.

That may seem like a mundane existence. And it can be over time. This is why we choose to become manifest in incarnations. During an incarnation we become restricted in what we know, and by our physical limitations of our bodies. We also take on a huge sense of SELF. We call that the ego.

Having a sense of self is not necessarily a bad thing. Just because we have a sense of self doesn’t mean that we need to act “selfishly”. None the less, many do.

When you return to the spirit world you will realize that you are not Funches, anymore than I am Leucippus Agamenom.

You’re basically playing out a game where you (the real you) is playing the part of Funches in this life.

When Funches dies, you will remain.

Does that mean that Funches wasn’t you?

NO! Not at all! Funches is definitely YOU!

But you’re not Funches!

Got it?

I will answer all the ones directed to me when I am not so tired.......I am so much so...that I could not even comprehend the read....gigglesnort......



James

JB


funches

so "JennieBean" aren't you saying that you have amnesia and have no conscious memory how to access this information and therefore do not know who you truely are

"Abracadabra" right now the spiritual stuff you are talking about is fantasy...why do I say that? ..simply because you can not access the information to prove otherwise ..so right now is why I'm referring to the human enity you ..also if the human enitiy you cannot remember things outside the experience then isn't that the same as lost of memory ..

Yep

Unfortunately and alas : no one knows for sure and the guessing will continue . Science ,philosophy ,and thousands and thousands of religions did not give us the answers . Maybe one day humans will know ......!. !.

and that's why the purpose of life is to first find the truth within oneself and without the sum of one's memories this can not be achieved

Yes, you can think of it like that. But the memory isn’t actually lost. It’s merely being hidden from you during your incarnation. You choose to do this when you become incarnated. Otherwise, the whole purpose of being incarnated would be lost.

When in the spiritual form you can remember everything. And I mean, everything. Not only will you remember having been Funches, but you’re remember having been Abracadabra too! You’ll remember it all, everything that the mind of God has ever experienced you will have access to as though it is your very own memory.

In the human form you would not want to have all those memories. What purpose would they serve? They would only confuse you in an incarnation. You wouldn’t know who you are or what you are doing. To many memories.

In the spirit world it’s not a problem. This is because you think entirely differently in the spirit world. You no longer fell as though you have an ‘egotistical’ self. You realize the true nature of your true essence. You realize that the mind is infinite and belongs to no one in particular. It’s like thoughts and memories are in a river or an ocean. You can see them all, and focus on whichever ones you choose. They don’t belong to you in a possessive sense, but they are yours to use whenever you wish. Just as they belong to all spirits.

The spirit world is completely egalitarian. There is nothing to fight over in the spirit world. There is no reason to become possessive or egotistical about anything in the spirit world. It’s an entirely differnet kind of experience from an incarnation.

How do I know this?

I envision it in dreams.

Does that mean that it’s the true nature of what we are?

No.

But it certainly means that I can imagine it.

Many people say that with God all things are possible.

Well, if there is any truth to this statement then anything I, as a mere mortal man, can imagine must surely also be possible.

So I ask myself. If I can imagine it, can it not be true?

I’m not trying to convince you that this is the way things are. I’m simply telling you that this is the way things can be. I would also argue that there are many practical and logical reasons why the world is most likely like this. Especially if one wishes to believe that with God all things are possible.

You may not believe in a “God” per say. But surely you cannot deny the miracle of the universe itself? If all you acknowledge is that the universe exists, then for you the universe is your God.

If you refuse to acknowledge that the universe itself exists, then you must at least acknowledge that you are perceiving that something is ‘happening’. Even if it’s just a dream. But then you need to ask, “Who is having the dream?”. Clearly you are having the dream! Not Funches! Funches is just a character within your dream.

On the other hand, if you think your are just a bag of atoms that came together by happenstance. Then you really have a problem. Which atom is YOU?

Clearly you can lop off your arms. They are YOU. In fact, most people believe that we could be reduced to just a head. We could rip out your eyes so that you are blind. But you could still think. You’d be thinking, “Geez! Now I can’t see anymore!”.

Then we’d surgically remove your ear drums. Then you’d be thinking, “Geez! I can’t hear anymore!

We’d cut out your taste buds, and remove your nose. And then finally several all nerve endings going to your brain. But we’d keep your brain “ALIVE” articfially by pumping blood through it.

You’d be thinking, “I can see, hear, taste, smell, or feel anything!!! But you’d still know that you are “ALIVE”.

Who are you? Your brain?

We’re not done yet!

Now we dissect your brain! We lop off your memory.

You think to yourself, “What I am? What’s going on? I can’t remember anything?”

Then we lop off the parts of your brain that you use for logical thinking (poor Funches!)

What do you think then?

Well, clearly you no longer think logically.

But you still experience!

You are still there! You can’t think in terms of worded thoughts. But you still KNOW that you exist. Not logically, but instinctively! You still ‘perceive’ that you are “ALIVE”. You can actually experience this state of mind via deep mediation where you ignore all your senses and thoughts. No need to actually dissect you really.

What does it take to KILL YOU! Well, we finally pull the plug on the blood pump and what’s life of your chopped up brain dies.

You black out. And that’s that.

Is that what really happens?

Do you want to volunteer for this experiment to see?

I believe at that point you will have an ‘out of body experience’. (or in this case an out-of-brain experience)

You will have the sensation that you are floating and detached from any physical incarnations.

At first you will see ‘see’ images of the physical incarnation you knew and loved. This is because those were the pool of thoughts that you had been swimming in.

But eventually they will fade and begin to break up, and you will realize that you are home again in the spiritual world from whence you came.

And if you don’t believe this you’ll go to hell!

Just kidding!

I believe it is possible to recover the memories in spirit , although the human brain might have a problem with all of them, using only ten percent of it's capacity. That is why I practice consciousness expanding and out of body awareness.

I think it is possible to understand and remember who we are when our consciousness is raised to the level of the higher self.

JB

doesn't "isn't actually lost" still mean it's lost ...either way you at that point in time has no way to retrieve them ...and until you find a way to retrieve them...then they are lost



Abracadabra ..again you keep falling into fantasy ..which only indicate that as a human entity you have given up and have just become content to wait on death so you as a spirit can get your memory back instead of trying to do it now and find your true self ..

so why can't you access that memory that would give your human brain the ability to be able to handle all your memories..surely that information exist

I am currently exploring several possibilities. Yes, I believe there is a way to do it.

That is what I call my search for the "Holy Grail"

JB

no problem ..so many people told me that I had to look on my birth certificate to make sure "go to hell" wasn't my name


everytime someone says "go to hell" ..I say huh?

now if you could access this "holy grail" as you call it and after becoming endowed with the sum of all those lost memories...what would your true self be

Actually I believe it is possible to remember things outside of our current form. Like Jeanniebean, I believe that we have access to all information ultimately.

I actually have vivid memories of living in the past. I can remember living at a time long before mankind even evolved. However, in those particular memories I don't recall being aware of my own body. Those memories are more like having been a 'fly on the wall' so to speak. I can simply "remember" images and experiences of very primordial times.

Are these actual “memories”, or are they just my imagination? All I can tell you is that they feel like very real memories to me.

I also remember living as a very primitive man. The memories of my own body are vague (or even non-existent), the memories are more of ‘looking out of the eyes’ of that primitive man and seeing a primitive world around him. I don’t remember specific events, just generalizations. I know I was there.

I have memories of having lived in medieval times too. But I must confess, it’s difficult now to differentiate between actual memories of real life versus memories that may have been from watching movies, or having read fantasy books.

I do know this. My memories of having lived in primordial times were very strong when I was a very young tot, long before I went to movies or read books. So for me, memories of life before I was born is very real.

I’m not concerned with trying to resurrect those memories now. They are unimportant to this life. I already know what I am. There’s no need to search for that answer anymore. All I need to do is enjoy this life, and that I am doing.

Everything else will take care of itself.

The ultimate "true self" is God.

Unlike Abracadabra, I don't think we go strait from being a human incarnate to being one with God. There is a more gradual process involved.

(That would be like going from working in the mail room to being the president of the company in one promotion.)

The first manifestation of my "true self" would be my higher self. That entity is the one that holds all the information, experience and memories of all of my personal incarnations in third density reality, which includes other planets and other dimensions like astral worlds.

For the time being, that is what I refer to as my "true self."

But the sum total of that self is not just memories, it is experience, information and personal preferences.

JB

or Abracadabra are the things that you think you are remembering are actually memories from other influences such as books movies or songs ..for example



you saw the movie "back to the future"



you saw the movie "Jurassic park"



you saw the movie "ghost"



you saw the movie "The Fly 2"



you saw the movie "quest for fire"



you were listening to the temptations singing "just my imagination"



you saw the movie "total recall"



you saw the movie "altered states"




you saw the movie "robin hood men in tights"



you saw the movie "creep show"



you saw the movie "One million years BC"



you saw the movie "the razor's edge"



you been reading "the bible"

Actually, I didn't mean to imply that we go straight from being human incarnate to being one with God.

On the contrary, I don't think like that at all. We move into a spiritual world where there are many spirits. And from there we become reincarnated again, and again, and again.

I didn't mean to imply that it was the end of the game.

The end of the game doesn't happen for a very very long time. There will not only have been many generations on earth, but also there will have been many generations of planets as well.

Only at the end of the universe do we combine with God into a state of pure bliss.

Then we rest.

Then it starts all over again with another Big Bang and another universe. And this is a never-ending cyclic process.

There can't be an end goal. If there were an end goal then what would happen after that????