Topic: ideas for depression
davidben1's photo
Tue 04/15/08 06:22 PM
fear is not evil, and to see it as such give it the potential to create evil.......one see and know fear of another thru ones own guilt, and this determine who live in fear of themself or not.......

no human can exist in a body and be without fear......each response of the nervous system send the appropriate signal to the body, and many of these responses be of fear to alert to danger.......

it is plain to see who is unaware that say they live free of fear.......

i speak much about fear and how it is not understood, and how the mind percieve it when the body does not......

the body is the accurate sensor of fear

human minds are self-cleaning, but fear added to each mind by another mind basing all that is right and wrong in their own mind, and then trying to transfer it to another to say what be right for them add extra FEAR, which keep the nervous system from working as designed, perfectly........this added fear is also what keep another from the freedom of saying all that they are and feel, which self-clean the brain, and keep it healthy, and what produce more room for more newer data as days progress.....


James1234567's photo
Tue 04/15/08 06:34 PM

DavidBen... why do you keep assuming people are afraid?

What gives? I read nothing about fear except in your posts...and nothing implying it either.


people are not afraid, they think they are just too good to talk to you, dont mean to sound mean just honest drinker

James1234567's photo
Tue 04/15/08 06:35 PM
see it all the time

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Tue 04/15/08 06:40 PM


I fear you NEVER... and since I only read the first sentence or 2, I have no idea what the rest says.

and I don't need anyones hand to hold, my self confidence comes from within.


I realize the temptation to go there with him... I didn't even address it. Why give credence to a passive aggressive attack and it's varied rationalizations?

You have nothing to prove to him... Neither do I.

Only the fearful who are reacting to that fear, will take up that strategy.

noblenan's photo
Tue 04/15/08 06:49 PM

I'm confused, or not. I see Lily posting in here, but, not Lilith. They are not the same person, are they franshade? What does Lilith have to do with this discussion? flowerforyou

Yeah, what's up with that? huh

Oh yeah, the post. Whereuat, If playing poker is what you consider your job, it sounds to me like a case of burnout. You just need to take your vacation. You knew the answer the whole time, didn't you? flowerforyou smokin drinker


Whereuat85
Just think of the next pretty woman you meet like she's 4 Aces, you'll be a real winner! Good luck! flowerforyou

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Tue 04/15/08 06:52 PM
What to do?

1. Get yourself busy with something beneficial. When you are at home why not try cooking, gardening, cleaning the house, etc. :wink:

2. Socialize with others, start with family members, neighbors, old friends. Remember, No man is an island.

3. Engage yourself in reading, especially the Bible for it is the best source of all practical suggestions and surely will be of good help to you.

4. If you know how to pray, don't hesitate to ask help from God. Don't underestimate the power of prayer.

5. Above all, FEAR GOD.


Goodluck!

davidben1's photo
Wed 04/16/08 05:03 AM
now we are getting somewhere.....only the fearful.......

i only speak of principles of the body and mind.....anything trapped in it's own minds experience show it is by referencing everything from a personal persepctive......

open discussion is to reduce to logical conclusions.....they cannot be based on personal feelings or they are skewed......so all feelings need to be spoken without sensitivity encouraged to find the truth.....

if one say all women are gold-diggers, they speak a logical untruth.....

if one say they dated or were married to one, and base all supposed learning on the fact that she was, than nothing was learned at all except;

the art of convincing oneself daily that this is bad for oneself......

these are bad creatures of some life-sucking form that deserve avoidence at all cost

each act is carefully cataloged as memories for the purpose of spotting another "selfish" one to avoid

each women seen that fit the profile, which becomes BIGGER each day, perpetuate more HATE toward gold-diggers

all effort is taken to warn others of such money sucking creatures

all this untruthful data is multipied each time one meet
another that agree they too have spotted such a rabid insideous creature.......

when in fact there is no such creature.......

this is just one simple breakdown of FEAR mongering creating hysteria, then hate between people....insanity or loss of simple logic

insert any perceived fault in the above story for a guide of how to stay unaware of ones own power....what some call responsibility, but rather ability to live with love with all

to deny personal responsibiltiy (ability) is to go around calling women gold-diggers, or calling or placing a name on some action and thinking it defective......this is one unaware of solutions to all things eventually.....

it does not matter what the action.....call one a racist and one deny NOT their own personal RESPONSIBILITY, but ablitiy to envoke change by PROPER reaction.........responsibility is a word coined by men that knew no other way to rule but by fear, and believe to live by fear is best.

what has made society to live as such is first the natural inclination to do this to whatever one is afraid of, and one is naturally afraid of anything that has or can harm it......

no realization that this will eventually make all live in hate and lead to self-destruction, as evidenced by every society in times past.....

we have all the data we need when looking to the past if we do not look back and call them ignorant and think we ourselves are not also....to look back and call out a mistake is ignorance, but rather what answer without using fear in the solution could have eliminated such from happening.......

all fearful aspects of a problem along with all good aspects of a problem brought to bear provie all data for digestion.....once digesting has occured, there should not be any response of fear but rather a plan without fear, as all consequences or reality CREATED is already addressed and accpeted.....now one is to move forward with sight and vision........or one should not move forward, and if so, expect the reality the truthful mind spoke which was not addressed

a consequence spoken as a consequence is to mislead by adding FEAR......it be only a possible reality made manifest.....

to speak to a child a 'consequence put a child in fear, but to speak to a child that they create all, and provide the options of things they at their age can create CREATE, and allow them to test their creation skills, and FEEL their OWN feelings without adding fear, is to teach them they are creators, and how to be creators of what they wish to be created......scold a child for bad creations, they will run from creating........what parent that does not see they created ALL will be able to teach the child.....

everyday i do not touch hot things and fear does not have to tell me so.....it is memory of wisdom.....fear first taught, if in learning only but the FIRST time, then wisdom take over......this is faith in wisdom, oneself, not in FEAR

if a society becomes comfortable with labeling one person, sect, group as bad by irreversible nature, and this is adopted by the government of any society, than they have fallen prey to their own unfounded untruthful fears of self-destruction.....

this is natural thinking in ALL PEOPLE that if not corrected will give away power to live in peace and freedom, and even to exist

so than how can a society live in peace if in fear to judge one another, all that is seen and heard without fear of consequence of words......words spoken without fear of conseqence is what bring one and all to understanding the power and wisdom of words later.......tell another the honest feeling of how one feel and think....if a label or personal afront is needed than so be it.........words have power to create as evidenced by all taught in any school......to say action speak louder than words is only to deny the power of ones own words...the truth can rise to the top in all if all freedom is given to speak all things.......

franshade's photo
Wed 04/16/08 07:02 AM

I'm confused, or not. I see Lily posting in here, but, not Lilith. They are not the same person, are they franshade? What does Lilith have to do with this discussion? flowerforyou

Oh yeah, the post. Whereuat, If playing poker is what you consider your job, it sounds to me like a case of burnout. You just need to take your vacation. You knew the answer the whole time, didn't you? flowerforyou smokin drinker


Donner, not quite sure I understand your referring to me in this post. I for a fact know Lilith and Lily are 2 separate individuals, so I am lost where you would assume I knew otherwise? please explain.

franshade's photo
Wed 04/16/08 07:11 AM

DavidBen... why do you keep assuming people are afraid?

What gives? I read nothing about fear except in your posts...and nothing implying it either.


I too asked that question, a few pages ago, but the response I received was to engage him via email. noway

I figure if such an easy question cannot be answered where it was asked, why engage in a more personal way to communicate? jmo




davidben1's photo
Wed 04/16/08 07:47 AM
franshade, i only asked you to do such to avoid any public embarrasment for you, but i know even to speak this MAY insult you already.........

who can NOT insult another if all they see is thru pain, which make FEAR of all things as a POTENTIAL insult.....

you have been insulted much by a previous man and i am not him........

lillith was referenced by lily in a prior post, and such mention was responded to........that is all

lilith401's photo
Wed 04/16/08 08:16 AM
Nope... DB: you still did not answer the question.

My question stands. Do you think the OP is scared and what does your continually referencing fear have to do with his gambling? Why do you keep inserting passive aggressive insults to people who ask you questions that have nothing to do with the topic of this thread? I am not at all understanding that.



Fran... I'm so sorry! flowerforyou

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Wed 04/16/08 08:30 AM

franshade, i only asked you to do such to avoid any public embarrasment for you, but i know even to speak this MAY insult you already.........

who can NOT insult another if all they see is thru pain, which make FEAR of all things as a POTENTIAL insult.....

you have been insulted much by a previous man and i am not him........

lillith was referenced by lily in a prior post, and such mention was responded to........that is all


My dear DavidBen - how BIG of you to try and spare me public embarrassment, but you really have no clue what you speak of, but that has been apparent from the beginning.

Your words are just that David, words. In order for me to be embarrassed I would have to care and honestly I could care less one way or the other what you say.

I have made attempts to reach out to you. Have tried small talk, but to no avail. But if you truly believe in your GENEROUS heart that you can ever embarrass me with your words, you are sorely mistaken. (also apparent by your posts)

But what else is new?







franshade's photo
Wed 04/16/08 08:31 AM

Nope... DB: you still did not answer the question.

My question stands. Do you think the OP is scared and what does your continually referencing fear have to do with his gambling? Why do you keep inserting passive aggressive insults to people who ask you questions that have nothing to do with the topic of this thread? I am not at all understanding that.



Fran... I'm so sorry! flowerforyou


No need to feel sorry for me Lilith, everyone has their opinions and expresses them as such.
flowerforyou

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Wed 04/16/08 08:31 AM
5. Above all, FEAR GOD.


Goodluck!



How does that improve a person's life?

lilith401's photo
Wed 04/16/08 08:39 AM

Fran... I'm so sorry! flowerforyou


No need to feel sorry for me Lilith, everyone has their opinions and expresses them as such.
flowerforyou


No... I am sorry you tried and did not succeed either...
You most certainly don't need my help. I'm just persistent. :wink:

franshade's photo
Wed 04/16/08 08:41 AM


Fran... I'm so sorry! flowerforyou


No need to feel sorry for me Lilith, everyone has their opinions and expresses them as such.
flowerforyou


No... I am sorry you tried and did not succeed either...
You most certainly don't need my help. I'm just persistent. :wink:


Lilith you rock!!! flowerforyou

davidben1's photo
Wed 04/16/08 08:42 AM

Nope... DB: you still did not answer the question.

My question stands. Do you think the OP is scared and what does your continually referencing fear have to do with his gambling? Why do you keep inserting passive aggressive insults to people who ask you questions that have nothing to do with the topic of this thread? I am not at all understanding that.



Fran... I'm so sorry! flowerforyou


you have pronounced all spoken as passive agressive behaviour as you have looked thru your own eyes and asertained this.....there could be many other reasons and motive for the things i say......

why do you see them with ONLY THIS possibility open to yourself

your mind has said a defintion of something....passive/agressive....it is your mind that has concluded this is bad, and so you hear your own thoughts of your own wisdom as "bad".........

passive and agressive abilitiy may mean only a relaxed state, a calm state, where nothing is able to startle or make fear....

nothing happening is then NOT seen as bad.....

unless one FEAR of something....

if a man walk to me with a gun, than i am not afraid to die
if a person insult me than I have heard not their wisdom, but my own FEAR of being insulted and put down, so i CANNOT BELIEVE IN MYSELF.....

it is only men that have interpreted their own thoughts as bad that have passed down "evil" assumptions as wisdom, such as terms that NAME others as DEFECTIVE.....

your own scriptures you follow say all i say and do not disagree if you open your mind and hold not to what the mind says........but rather what the heart whisper when you are alone and hear them not thru the filter of right and wrong which make one fear their own self and thoughts......




davidben1's photo
Wed 04/16/08 08:45 AM


franshade, i only asked you to do such to avoid any public embarrasment for you, but i know even to speak this MAY insult you already.........

who can NOT insult another if all they see is thru pain, which make FEAR of all things as a POTENTIAL insult.....

you have been insulted much by a previous man and i am not him........

lillith was referenced by lily in a prior post, and such mention was responded to........that is all


My dear DavidBen - how BIG of you to try and spare me public embarrassment, but you really have no clue what you speak of, but that has been apparent from the beginning.

Your words are just that David, words. In order for me to be embarrassed I would have to care and honestly I could care less one way or the other what you say.

I have made attempts to reach out to you. Have tried small talk, but to no avail. But if you truly believe in your GENEROUS heart that you can ever embarrass me with your words, you are sorely mistaken. (also apparent by your posts)

But what else is new?

all of life for you when you clean out your mind and start listening to your own self and not hearing all the things you hear and read and see as BAD......if you care not about anything i say than why do you ALWAYS RESPOND AND MAKE YOURSELF A LIER, AND EVEN RESPOND WITH BOLD YOU CARE SO MUCH......

you know my hearts desire, and i know your.......i hear all yours thru neutral thoughts, and you hear all mine thru a filkter that process all as good and bad......so you make me to be BAD.....


davidben1's photo
Wed 04/16/08 08:49 AM

5. Above all, FEAR GOD.


Goodluck!



How does that improve a person's life?


smiles......it make all seek a bigger truth......god be the heart of each, so FEAR believe in ones own heart to find the truth, not the half-truths of the mind.....he does not know but without saying he can never be told......all are good, each thing said is good, and each thought is good.......:smile:

lilith401's photo
Wed 04/16/08 08:49 AM
Edited by lilith401 on Wed 04/16/08 08:50 AM
Actually, DB.... my definition and use of the term passive aggressive is not at all mine, or in my mind. It is the clinical definition and not my interpretation.

Here you go.... As found on MedicineNet:
Passive-aggressive: Pertaining to behavior in which feelings of aggression are expressed in passive ways as, for example, by stubbornness, sullenness, procrastination, or intentional inefficiency.

I believe an synonym for intential inefficiency is called obfuscating. :smile:

I will let all readers decide for themselves if this is "good" , "bad", or whatever. It simply is what it is.


your mind has said a defintion of something....passive/agressive....it is your mind that has concluded this is bad, and so you hear your own thoughts of your own wisdom as "bad".........

passive and agressive abilitiy may mean only a relaxed state, a calm state, where nothing is able to startle or make fear....

So you are saying you are afraid?

nothing happening is then NOT seen as bad.....
unless one FEAR of something....

You assume here as well. You assume I have 'scripure' I follow, you assume my mind is not open, you assume I hear things when I am alone, you assume I do not know right from wrong, you assume I filter my thoughts, and if I do, then I do it incorrectly...

your own scriptures you follow say all i say and do not disagree if you open your mind and hold not to what the mind says........but rather what the heart whisper when you are alone and hear them not thru the filter of right and wrong which make one fear their own self and thoughts......


Again..... what does this all have to do with the OP?