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wow, what great discussion......
franshade, i see totally what you percieve now and thanks for clarifying.....however you did say "David what are you fearful of? All your posts in one way or another reflect fear? Why do you want to instill fear or advocate it? This is commonly called an accusation..... there is nothing wrong with accusing another to me so i find no fault or harm in your words......no need to feel bad and defend yourself......how else can people work out things between them.......wonder why our planet live in such unrest since any accusing word is seen as "bad"......but this make bitterness when not spoken, which breed hate..........to speak bring a solution......  if you wish to write me personally, and we become better friends, than maybe you might here a few I's but i find no satisfaction in speaking about myself...... |
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wow, what great discussion...... franshade, i see totally what you percieve now and thanks for clarifying.....however you did say "David what are you fearful of? All your posts in one way or another reflect fear? Why do you want to instill fear or advocate it? This is commonly called an accusation..... there is nothing wrong with accusing another to me so i find no fault or harm in your words......no need to feel bad and defend yourself......how else can people work out things between them.......wonder why our planet live in such unrest since any accusing word is seen as "bad"......but this make bitterness when not spoken, which breed hate..........to speak bring a solution...... if you wish to write me personally, and we become better friends, than maybe you might here a few I's but i find no satisfaction in speaking about myself...... In all this, my simple question has not been answered. What's to make me think it will be answered in a personal level as you say. * there is a clear difference between hearing and listening* |
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 No matter how hard you try Lilith is still my idol I wouldn't have it any other way. fear of something is what make it control you, or become an addict to it....you dont sound like you fear it, so let no one convince you to.....it has been good for SOME reason.....did you make yourself have a love for poker......no man creates their own desire......it is a physical reality of a deeper inner desire that has to do with your destiny in life........ Actually.. speaking from an addicts point of view. Fear in general, and the lack of courage to face those fears, can give addictions a disproportionate power in ones life... A fear, or healthy respect as some call it, of the addiction? Can be a good thing. Man does create desire for themselves in plenty. Mostly in material possessions, substance, and behavior that is unhealthy or self destructive. Holding destiny accountable is to say: I am not responsible, and everything or anything else is. |
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Fear is a natural part of life. There are practical fears and irrational ones. The practical has me looking both ways before crossing the street. Irrational ones would have me trying (miserably, I might add) to be something I am not in these threads..as a for instance. Living life without fear is simply denying it's existance, yet still suffering from its manifestations. Then more often then not...blaming those manifistations on something outside of self. Living life in the face of fear? Can be considered the definition of courage. As for the OP... One of the key indicators of an addiction is doing something over and over trying to achieve the same feeling that once was a result of doing whatever it is you are doing. awh jistme, an excellent point indeed.......one that sneer at fear is a fool, but rather one that understand it's use is courageous....... to put fear in front of others as a motivation for doing good breed more fear within them..... to put wisdom and the persuit thereof in front of them allow them to make wise decisions without basing them on fear, but seeing all as data...... if a soldier go to war, and is afraid, he will be the first killed.....his fear will control him...... if a boss use fear to control his employees, will they not stab him in the back the first chance they get, to try to rid themselves of the fear they have been put under....... if a husband use FEAR as a tactic to get what he wants, will not the wife revile him and run away after a time and think she is defective..... there are many ways to accomplish things, but if fear is used as a MOTIVATOR, it is doomed to failure before it is even begun is this not the reason that all humans hate for fear to be used as a motivator in there personal lives from ones they love.... if one cannot speak in a way to accomplish something without using fear as the motivator, than they should be quiet and seek better words for leading that will create success....... |
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No matter how hard you try Lilith is still my idol I wouldn't have it any other way. fear of something is what make it control you, or become an addict to it....you dont sound like you fear it, so let no one convince you to.....it has been good for SOME reason.....did you make yourself have a love for poker......no man creates their own desire......it is a physical reality of a deeper inner desire that has to do with your destiny in life........ Actually.. speaking from an addicts point of view. Fear in general, and the lack of courage to face those fears, can give addictions a disproportionate power in ones life... A fear, or healthy respect as some call it, of the addiction? Can be a good thing. Man does create desire for themselves in plenty. Mostly in material possessions, substance, and behavior that is unhealthy or self destructive. Holding destiny accountable is to say: I am not responsible, and everything or anything else is. While addictions are something I cannot truly nor knowledgably speak on, I do speak for myself and my own experiences. I proudly face life without fear. I'd rather spend my time focusing on the positive things in life rather than the negative ones. I dont fear life but do not misunderstand I am not gullible, foolish, nor ignorant (lol), I am fully aware that good and bad things happen, hell sh!t also hits the fan, but out of every situation I will find something positive and I am responsible for myself, my actions as well as how I react. |
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if a soldier go to war, and is afraid, he will be the first killed.....his fear will control him...... If a soldier is not afraid in combat... They are in denial. That denial will probably get him and others killed sooner then the courage to fight in the face of the fear. This little ongoing diatribe does explain much about you though. |
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if one cannot speak in a way to accomplish something without using fear as the motivator, than they should be quiet and seek better words for leading that will create success....... exactly - but then again you know not what you fear. *If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything?* |
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if a soldier go to war, and is afraid, he will be the first killed.....his fear will control him...... If a soldier is not afraid in combat... They are in denial. That denial will probably get him and others killed sooner then the courage to fight in the face of the fear. This little ongoing diatribe does explain much about you though. My dear friend is in Iraq now, and he says he is scared, but he has to overcome that, and do his job...there is a differnce between fear and being a coward. Fear keeps you on your toes, fear keeps you awake, fear drives you.... Coward makes you weak. |
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alot of people on here see my playing poker as a problem. playing poker is not a game of luck. their is alot of skill involved reading other people at the table. calculating complicated applied mathmatical percentages. knowing how much to bet to intricately convince someone to fold. maintaining focus and discipline. dealing with adversity (when) you receive a bad beat or cooler). I just need a short vacation like most people do from their jobs. i havent had a break from it in 6 months. luck can win you a particular hand. it wont post a profit over the long term though.
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Edited by
davidben1
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Tue 04/15/08 01:51 PM
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OMG.....jistme and lily holding hands again to gain self-confidence.....hum..............lily, your own heart knows the truth, and even before you posted fear told you not to accuse, but you assumed it was my words making you afraid, and you did not see or feel your own wisdom trying to talk to you......if i ignore, you feel validated and i help create your own misery even more than you already have........you wish to do this because someday soon you will have wisdom to speak, but your own self tell you NO right now, so listen to it.......while you are at it, accept all it says you have done to others, your ex men in particular......you are one MOST afraid of your own mind, and do not accept it, and it has compounded your fears, until you are now even petrified of the dark, and to be alone.......to be petrified of darkness and not see one has fear is not very awake......heed your own truth and free yourself, and your unfounded fears will leave you.....then you try to gain lilliths affection by taking her to your fearful miserable place........you will find no love by trying to make others do, say, and be what you wish them to be..........and jistme, a good question you asked even if it was for ulterior motives........why do you fall prey again to the need to be validated by a women.......no confidence will ever be placed in you again by others that know you until you pay heed to your own voice.......why do you ignore your own wisdom each time an opportunity presents itself for you to validate yourself.......this will keep you from listening to your own wisdom, and more failures will follow you as they already are......you wonder why lilliths heart tells her to not trust you yet.......why do you make her feel bad for listening to her own wisdom......if you believe in her and love her than you wish for her to be strong in herself.....this is love, and not what you try to feed to others......be more selfish, and see that this will not achieve what you wish.......to help her to embrace her own strength will give you strength, and lily or any other women will not influence you enough to make you cheat again.......don't go against your own better judgment......be more selfish......validation means not that another cares for you, but rather only that they seek affection as you do.....both will fall prey in a house built on these principles.......
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I play poker 6 to 7 days a week.alot of times for serious money. been doing this for last 2 years. usually i will make alot of money at it. i think im getting burnt out though my level of play has dropped signicantly over last month. the adrenaline rush i got from the game has kept me playing lately i haven't been getting that adrenaline from playing. i have no social life outside of poker. i dont know what to do. alot of people on here see my playing poker as a problem. playing poker is not a game of luck. their is alot of skill involved reading other people at the table. calculating complicated applied mathmatical percentages. knowing how much to bet to intricately convince someone to fold. maintaining focus and discipline. dealing with adversity (when) you receive a bad beat or cooler). I just need a short vacation like most people do from their jobs. i havent had a break from it in 6 months. luck can win you a particular hand. it wont post a profit over the long term though. true, you can very well play poker as your profession, nothing wrong with that. If you need to recharge your batteries, do so, take some time off, relax, get the mindset back and have some fun.
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to wake up each day is a gamble
to drive down the road is a gamble to eat at a restaurant is a gamble they are all calculated risk each take in freedom gambling is no different it is for each to look in themselves and see why they do something they don't like......for one to say gambling is bad is for one to say they fear it as bad, and why if THEY do it, it is bad for them...... if another does not have fear over something, than i am only against making them fear it, as this is attempting to control another seeing thru ones own conscious, and not helping them as the mind wishes to believe......this is lead to many harmful, devicive practices that only seperate people into more and more categories.......how can this make for peace.....impossible |
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your a very good philosopher. i believe in karma and the power of positive energy. your right i do not fear poker. im terrified of attractive women though.
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Edited by
Donnar
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Tue 04/15/08 02:45 PM
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I'm confused, or not. I see Lily posting in here, but, not Lilith. They are not the same person, are they franshade? What does Lilith have to do with this discussion?
Oh yeah, the post. Whereuat, If playing poker is what you consider your job, it sounds to me like a case of burnout. You just need to take your vacation. You knew the answer the whole time, didn't you?  
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your a very good philosopher. i believe in karma and the power of positive energy. your right i do not fear poker. im terrified of attractive women though. then how about an average looking one? 
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jennie i just read your profile ive read the holographic universe by michael talbot it was a very enlightening book. as far as meeting women goes women dont like shy guys they want the guy to be the aggressor i beleive im incapable of making the first move.
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OMG.....jistme and lily holding hands again to gain self-confidence.....hum..............lily, your own heart knows the truth, and even before you posted fear told you not to accuse, but you assumed it was my words making you afraid, and you did not see or feel your own wisdom trying to talk to you......if i ignore, you feel validated and i help create your own misery even more than you already have........you wish to do this because someday soon you will have wisdom to speak, but your own self tell you NO right now, so listen to it.......while you are at it, accept all it says you have done to others, your ex men in particular......you are one MOST afraid of your own mind, and do not accept it, and it has compounded your fears, until you are now even petrified of the dark, and to be alone.......to be petrified of darkness and not see one has fear is not very awake......heed your own truth and free yourself, and your unfounded fears will leave you.....then you try to gain lilliths affection by taking her to your fearful miserable place........you will find no love by trying to make others do, say, and be what you wish them to be..........and jistme, a good question you asked even if it was for ulterior motives........why do you fall prey again to the need to be validated by a women.......no confidence will ever be placed in you again by others that know you until you pay heed to your own voice.......why do you ignore your own wisdom each time an opportunity presents itself for you to validate yourself.......this will keep you from listening to your own wisdom, and more failures will follow you as they already are......you wonder why lilliths heart tells her to not trust you yet.......why do you make her feel bad for listening to her own wisdom......if you believe in her and love her than you wish for her to be strong in herself.....this is love, and not what you try to feed to others......be more selfish, and see that this will not achieve what you wish.......to help her to embrace her own strength will give you strength, and lily or any other women will not influence you enough to make you cheat again.......don't go against your own better judgment......be more selfish......validation means not that another cares for you, but rather only that they seek affection as you do.....both will fall prey in a house built on these principles....... Somehow that written above and my prior statements of... Irrational ones would have me trying (miserably, I might add) to be something I am not in these threads..as a for instance. and Living life without fear is simply denying it's existence, yet still suffering from its manifestations. Then more often then not...blaming those manifestations on something outside of self. Have much in common. One was written by you... and substantiates the others, written about you. As for the op... Gambling as a profession is not an addiction. The issue that caught my eye is in regards to how it makes you feel vs. how it used to make you feel. Along with, what some might consider a bit of rationalization and bargaining in what you have written thus far. No matter.. For me to claim you have an, or not have an addiction? Is not my place. Only you can determine that. All I can do is comment on what looks familiar. |
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your a very good philosopher. i believe in karma and the power of positive energy. your right i do not fear poker. im terrified of attractive women though. why do you tell me this, lol......do you wish to be rid of such fear.....most do not admit their fears and hide from them and i can see poker has worked wisdom in you by seeing it without fear.....it is no wonder you are excelling at it..... in poker one attempts to bluff, and conceal the truth........with women, do just the opposite, and you will find the jewel that is waiting no quicker or slower than is possible...... if none asked to be born, nor what they looked like, nor what they are given as parents, nor what mind or personality they have, than certinally all things must happen for a GOOD reason......... what being can call things chance that cannot at least first himself make a blade of grass....... see nothing as bad and attempt most to be oneself, and resist the urge to be good, that decieve oneself, but rather see all as given to learn problem solving.....than no problem that arise shall not be solved quicker and quicker each day as wisdom increases....... ones own desire guide them, as if any man knew how many thoughts he had that he did not hear no man would say his thoughts created desire or that he controlled them evil is only perpetuated by beings that do not freely admit what they are to themself and others because of fear someone added to them...... if one is born and lived on this planet alone, with not another human voice to hear, each would immediately have to get to the bottom/root of who they are..........peace |
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Edited by
Lily0923
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Tue 04/15/08 04:24 PM
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OMG.....jistme and lily holding hands again to gain self-confidence.....hum..............lily, your own heart knows the truth, and even before you posted fear told you not to accuse, but you assumed it was my words making you afraid, and you did not see or feel your own wisdom trying to talk to you......if i ignore, you feel validated and i help create your own misery even more than you already have........you wish to do this because someday soon you will have wisdom to speak, but your own self tell you NO right now, so listen to it.......while you are at it, accept all it says you have done to others, your ex men in particular......you are one MOST afraid of your own mind, and do not accept it, and it has compounded your fears, until you are now even petrified of the dark, and to be alone.......to be petrified of darkness and not see one has fear is not very awake......heed your own truth and free yourself, and your unfounded fears will leave you.....then you try to gain lilliths affection by taking her to your fearful miserable place........you will find no love by trying to make others do, say, and be what you wish them to be..........and jistme, a good question you asked even if it was for ulterior motives........why do you fall prey again to the need to be validated by a women.......no confidence will ever be placed in you again by others that know you until you pay heed to your own voice.......why do you ignore your own wisdom each time an opportunity presents itself for you to validate yourself.......this will keep you from listening to your own wisdom, and more failures will follow you as they already are......you wonder why lilliths heart tells her to not trust you yet.......why do you make her feel bad for listening to her own wisdom......if you believe in her and love her than you wish for her to be strong in herself.....this is love, and not what you try to feed to others......be more selfish, and see that this will not achieve what you wish.......to help her to embrace her own strength will give you strength, and lily or any other women will not influence you enough to make you cheat again.......don't go against your own better judgment......be more selfish......validation means not that another cares for you, but rather only that they seek affection as you do.....both will fall prey in a house built on these principles....... I fear you NEVER... and since I only read the first sentence or 2, I have no idea what the rest says. and I don't need anyones hand to hold, my self confidence comes from within. |
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DavidBen... why do you keep assuming people are afraid?
What gives? I read nothing about fear except in your posts...and nothing implying it either. |
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