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Topic: fearing the unknown
TheLonelyWalker Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 11870	Sat 04/12/08 08:21 PM
to a certain point the fact that nonbelievers are so reluctant over christianity (even hateful sometimes) it's understandable for the way we (christians) have presented our beliefs. I have always thought that as christians we can't be around the world calling people sinners, and sending them to hell. We are not the ones who have that duty. Just my Lord is the one who can do that. We have people who are dead tired of hearing the same old story about sin and hell. We can't approach to them in that manner. Please do not take me wrong, ofcourse sin and hell are realities that can't be overlooked. My point is that those are not the main issues in which our beliefs have to be based upon. Christianity is not a religion of condemnation. Christianity is a religion of love. Love from a Heavenly Father, and love that we as son and daughters of this same Father have to transmit toward each others. We fail when we judge others. However, this love toward brothers and sisters can't be used as a justification to let pass certain things that go against our faith. Such direct attacks and derogative comments which are based solely upon bias feelings. TLW

Italy0219 Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 2523	Sat 04/12/08 08:24 PM
ok ok I believe, but that does not change the fact that people want to read about it here, get off your soap box....

Derekkye Joined Sat 12/22/07 Posts: 3427	Sat 04/12/08 08:30 PM
God loves righteous judgment. The world teaches not to judge. Even those that support not judging others still do.

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Sat 04/12/08 08:34 PM
TLW. Read closely the sermon on the mount. Blessings and cursings come out of the same mouth. This should not be. Shalom...Miles

yashafox_F4X1 Joined Sat 12/15/07 Posts: 2079	Sat 04/12/08 08:38 PM Edited by yashafox_F4X1 on Sat 04/12/08 08:40 PM
I agree. Loving the Lord and loving others are two of the key concepts of Christianity. Love can be why we worship, fellowship, learn about the Lord in Discipleship, minister to other believers and go on missions to help others. As for judgement, I think that belongs to Christ. The Bible seems to indicate to me that God delegated that to him so I like to try to steer clear of the whole judgement thing. Many times, I don't succeed, though. It's a hard thing to avoid. May God's Blessings be on you all. Geo.

sethwyo Joined Fri 02/22/08 Posts: 298	Sat 04/12/08 08:40 PM Edited by sethwyo on Sat 04/12/08 08:42 PM
Christians are told in gods word that if any so called brother is sining and dont want 2 stop, then that person is to be disfellowshiped, And to 'not even eat at the same table with that person'. christians are 2 use judgment, is it right or wrong 2 to steal?, u must use judgment, can anyone further explain the diff. between being a selfrightous self apointed judge of others, and using judgment about issues? I'm bias against murder, that is not a bad bias. Hope someone can explain it better than I.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Sat 04/12/08 08:42 PM
Christians are told in gods word that if any so called brother is sining and dont want 2 stop, then that person is to be disfellowshiped, And to 'not even eat at the same table with that person'. christians are 2 use judgment, is it right or wrong 2 to steal?, u must use judgment, can anyone further explain the diff. between being a selfrightous self apointed judge of others, and using judgment about issues? I'm bias against murder, that is not a bad bias. Hope someone can explain it better than I. You did a fine job.

Zapchaser Joined Sat 04/14/07 Posts: 2491	Sat 04/12/08 08:49 PM
God loves righteous judgment. The world teaches not to judge. Even those that support not judging others still do. It is hard to be in the world and not be part of it or affected by it. Jesus said in the sermon on the mount "judge not lest ye be judged". We are all brothers and sisters, Christian or not and while it hurts when people judge you or condemn your faith, hair color, intelligence, or whatever,they believe what they believe just as you do. You can only change yourself.I am just as guilty as the next guy but I am a work in progress and will be until the day I check out of this big blue revolving Motel 6.He also said to love your enemies. God does,much to the dismay of those that pray for God's help in killing their enemies. Jesus led by example. All I can promise is that I will try to follow the example.

yzrabbit1 Joined Fri 09/28/07 Posts: 1531	Sat 04/12/08 08:52 PM
Christians are told in gods word that if any so called brother is sining and dont want 2 stop, then that person is to be disfellowshiped, And to 'not even eat at the same table with that person'. christians are 2 use judgment, is it right or wrong 2 to steal?, u must use judgment, can anyone further explain the diff. between being a selfrightous self apointed judge of others, and using judgment about issues? I'm bias against murder, that is not a bad bias. Hope someone can explain it better than I. Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. Why don't you concentrate on these words?

sethwyo Joined Fri 02/22/08 Posts: 298	Sat 04/12/08 08:52 PM Edited by sethwyo on Sat 04/12/08 08:55 PM
ok ok I believe, but that does not change the fact that people want to read about it here, get off your soap box.... What is the 'IT' that people want 2 read about here,? And why do u feel that u need 2 tell that "u believe'n dont change The fact,?" Do u mean that u believe'n wont change the fact that people want 2 read about u believe'n. This forum is for folks 2 visit talk and listen, thats the whole reason its here, using this forum is not 'soap boxin'.

yashafox_F4X1 Joined Sat 12/15/07 Posts: 2079	Sat 04/12/08 08:57 PM
I like soap boxes. They're good for storing cigar boxes in.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Sat 04/12/08 08:58 PM
Christians are told in gods word that if any so called brother is sining and dont want 2 stop, then that person is to be disfellowshiped, And to 'not even eat at the same table with that person'. christians are 2 use judgment, is it right or wrong 2 to steal?, u must use judgment, can anyone further explain the diff. between being a selfrightous self apointed judge of others, and using judgment about issues? I'm bias against murder, that is not a bad bias. Hope someone can explain it better than I. Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. Why don't you concentrate on these words? Why don't you read the next verse. You guys love to take one verse out of context...and THEN JUDGE. You tell us to not judge, but judge at the same time. What's the word for someone to judges others for a behavior he himself endulges in?

Zapchaser Joined Sat 04/14/07 Posts: 2491	Sat 04/12/08 09:00 PM
Christians are told in gods word that if any so called brother is sining and dont want 2 stop, then that person is to be disfellowshiped, And to 'not even eat at the same table with that person'. christians are 2 use judgment, is it right or wrong 2 to steal?, u must use judgment, can anyone further explain the diff. between being a selfrightous self apointed judge of others, and using judgment about issues? I'm bias against murder, that is not a bad bias. Hope someone can explain it better than I. Are you referring to Luke 17:3,4? “Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. 4 “And if he sins against you seven times a day, and returns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ forgive him.” Or are you referring to Matthew 18? 15 “If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 “But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17 “If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 “Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.

Zapchaser Joined Sat 04/14/07 Posts: 2491	Sat 04/12/08 09:02 PM
Christians are told in gods word that if any so called brother is sining and dont want 2 stop, then that person is to be disfellowshiped, And to 'not even eat at the same table with that person'. christians are 2 use judgment, is it right or wrong 2 to steal?, u must use judgment, can anyone further explain the diff. between being a selfrightous self apointed judge of others, and using judgment about issues? I'm bias against murder, that is not a bad bias. Hope someone can explain it better than I. Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. Why don't you concentrate on these words? How has that one been working for you?

yzrabbit1 Joined Fri 09/28/07 Posts: 1531	Sat 04/12/08 09:03 PM Edited by yzrabbit1 on Sat 04/12/08 09:06 PM
Christians are told in gods word that if any so called brother is sining and dont want 2 stop, then that person is to be disfellowshiped, And to 'not even eat at the same table with that person'. christians are 2 use judgment, is it right or wrong 2 to steal?, u must use judgment, can anyone further explain the diff. between being a selfrightous self apointed judge of others, and using judgment about issues? I'm bias against murder, that is not a bad bias. Hope someone can explain it better than I. I'm not a Christian it's not my book. I'm just pointing out the fact that the book contradicts itself. You can never know what you should do. As far as using one sentence you guys always come up with things like "yeah tho I walk through the valley of death" or "the lord is my shepherd I shall not want" I'm sure you won't mind if I use one sentence at a time. Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. Why don't you concentrate on these words? Why don't you read the next verse. You guys love to take one verse out of context...and THEN JUDGE. You tell us to not judge, but judge at the same time. What's the word for someone to judges others for a behavior he himself endulges in? I'm not a Christian. I was just pointing out that the book is very contradictory and hard to make heads or tails of. as far as using single sentences , I always hear "yeah tho I walk threw the valley of death" or "the lord is my shepeard..." Im sure you won't mind if I use sigle sentences in the same way.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Sat 04/12/08 09:04 PM
Christians are told in gods word that if any so called brother is sining and dont want 2 stop, then that person is to be disfellowshiped, And to 'not even eat at the same table with that person'. christians are 2 use judgment, is it right or wrong 2 to steal?, u must use judgment, can anyone further explain the diff. between being a selfrightous self apointed judge of others, and using judgment about issues? I'm bias against murder, that is not a bad bias. Hope someone can explain it better than I. Are you referring to Luke 17:3,4? “Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. 4 “And if he sins against you seven times a day, and returns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ forgive him.” Or are you referring to Matthew 18? 15 “If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 “But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17 “If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 “Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven. 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 But I now write to you not to associate with anyone named a brother, if he is immoral, greedy, an idolater, a slanderer, a drunkard, or a robber, not even to eat with such a person. For why should I be judging outsiders? Is it not your business to judge those within? God will judge those outside. "Purge the evil person from your midst."

TheLonelyWalker Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 11870	Sat 04/12/08 09:05 PM
Christians are told in gods word that if any so called brother is sining and dont want 2 stop, then that person is to be disfellowshiped, And to 'not even eat at the same table with that person'. christians are 2 use judgment, is it right or wrong 2 to steal?, u must use judgment, can anyone further explain the diff. between being a selfrightous self apointed judge of others, and using judgment about issues? I'm bias against murder, that is not a bad bias. Hope someone can explain it better than I. Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. Why don't you concentrate on these words? How has that one been working for you? ding zap. that was deep

sethwyo Joined Fri 02/22/08 Posts: 298	Sat 04/12/08 09:09 PM
Christians are told in gods word that if any so called brother is sining and dont want 2 stop, then that person is to be disfellowshiped, And to 'not even eat at the same table with that person'. christians are 2 use judgment, is it right or wrong 2 to steal?, u must use judgment, can anyone further explain the diff. between being a selfrightous self apointed judge of others, and using judgment about issues? I'm bias against murder, that is not a bad bias. Hope someone can explain it better than I. Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. Why don't you concentrate on these words? 7;2 For by the standard with which u judge others, U will also be judged, Use just judgment? Dont hate or look down on someone for sining So that when u sin and do the same thing u wont be damed by ur own idea of what is just, I dont want justice, I need gods grace.

yashafox_F4X1 Joined Sat 12/15/07 Posts: 2079	Sat 04/12/08 09:09 PM
Yeah. I don't know of many instances where Biblical judgement of the two plus witnesses would be necessary, short of gross abuse of church funds and resources or gross misconduct on church property is occuring. Even then, I think a biblical warning is good, prior to actually expelling someone from the church. It's sick people like me that need a doctor, not those who are well. Just my two cents worth, but I think it'd work, from what I've seen. Geo.

yzrabbit1 Joined Fri 09/28/07 Posts: 1531	Sat 04/12/08 09:11 PM
Christians are told in gods word that if any so called brother is sining and dont want 2 stop, then that person is to be disfellowshiped, And to 'not even eat at the same table with that person'. christians are 2 use judgment, is it right or wrong 2 to steal?, u must use judgment, can anyone further explain the diff. between being a selfrightous self apointed judge of others, and using judgment about issues? I'm bias against murder, that is not a bad bias. Hope someone can explain it better than I. Are you referring to Luke 17:3,4? “Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. 4 “And if he sins against you seven times a day, and returns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ forgive him.” Or are you referring to Matthew 18? 15 “If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 “But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17 “If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 “Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven. 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 But I now write to you not to associate with anyone named a brother, if he is immoral, greedy, an idolater, a slanderer, a drunkard, or a robber, not even to eat with such a person. For why should I be judging outsiders? Is it not your business to judge those within? God will judge those outside. "Purge the evil person from your midst." Ok the sentence before this still tells you clearly to "Judge Not" So which one are you going to follow?